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10,000mm will not let you get soaked. Generally, anything 5,000 and up will keep you pretty dry, but 10,000 is the way to go if you want to be positive that you will stay dry no matter what. I've heard of some Fabrics being close to 20,000mm though.
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depends on where you ride...if you are in colorado where the snow is dry then 10,000 will definatley keep you dry...if you are skiing in BC or the West coast 10,000 will keep you dry for a bit, but you will get wet. 20,000mm is the way to go for the west coast


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It has to do with how tight the fabric is. If a fabric is loose, larger particles can get through, while a tighter fabric won't let anything except very very small particles in. Kinda like a sifter. The idea is that if you make the fabric tight enough, the holes in it will be to small for a molecule of water to get through.


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but (correct me if I'm wrong) the higher the waterproofness # the less breathable the fabric

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Well a molecule of whatever random gas is in the atmousphere (N2, O2, H2, etc.) is smaller than a molecule of water so it should be able to fit through a fabric that water couldn't fit through. The problem is that not as much of it can fit through one hole, but there are more holes to go through. So yes, in a perfectly dry environment the more water-proof jacket would be very slightly less breathable, but most fabrics lose their breathability once they get wet, so in practice (if the waterproof ratings *jimmy buffet break* aren't too far apart) they would really be about the same in terms of breathability.


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i have fablice shit and its japenese and its 20,000 mm....they are so advanced!!!


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wow you know a lot about waterproofing!! Cool stuff there




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omfg! im going to use my jacket to kif all my week now!!!! its like a sifter!

Personally I like at least 10,000 mm. 20,000and up is really nice to have when it's snowing hard. I've got Gore-tex classic which is 30,000 and Gore-tex XCR is 42,000 and it is unbelievable how well it works. My friend has an arcteryx jacket and he can stand out in a really strong rain storm without any water soaking in.

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imagine one thats like 200,000? you could live underwated and not get a drip of wa wa on you!



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well after selling jackets for a year, i learned a couple things. Basically you have your gortex, which is the most waterproof fabric which is 24,000. That is pretty much the highest you can go. Nothing can be 24,000 if it isnt gortex. Depending on the company some ratings of waterproofness are different. For example a 5000 mm rating on a helly hansen will be a shitload better than a columbia or powderoom. Anything above 8 you should be aright as long as it isnt raining. My helly coat says 5000 and ive never been wet in it. if its over 10 youll be alright for sure tho.









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clothing need a minimum 1000mm to say its water proof. 3000mm - 6000mm will keep you dry from 8-12 hours. things like gortex have 25000mm waterproof. basically, anything 3000mm and up should be fine.





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haha oakley 2x4 pants are 2000mm. would a volcom 5000mm snowpant be allright?

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yeah, helly hansen's tuff is great. i have a shell, and i have been out skiing in the rain without getting wet.

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Actually dishwalla there are a few brands that do make stuff equal to or better that gore-tex. Like Patagonia, Helly Hansen, and K2.

I think rails in general are just a phase. - Anthony Boronowski

Actually dishwalla there are a few brands that do make stuff equal to or better that gore-tex. Like Patagonia, Helly Hansen, and K2.

I think rails in general are just a phase. - Anthony Boronowski

I rock a 14,000mm jacket, and it takes a downpour for me to get wet.




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volcom snow pants suck. don't get em. mine were fucked after a season. sent them back for a refund tho, so that was cool. maybe u should buy em, fuck em up and get new ones next year like i did.

but yeah, 5,000mm's only a coated fabric, so as that starts to wear off, it's gonna be less and less waterproof, and u'll start notice the jacket looking wet instead of beading up like on a car. in general, if u want a good jacket or pants, go for something with a laminate instead of just coated. they'll last longer. usually 10,000mm and up is a laminate, but check to make sure. gore tex jackets are usually laminates. i just got a pair of gore tex bonfire pants that are like 30,000mm, but only a two layer laminate. u can get a 3 layer, but that's real hard core (burton ak, arcteryx, etc.). I ski out west (tahoe) so i need to be as dry as possible cuz it gets pretty fuckin wet up there.

plus, breathability also depends on the type of fabric and the molecular composition (to get all tech and shit). more dense molecules aren't going to allow as much through as looser ones. that's kinda the principle behind gore tex xcr. they stretched the molecule out to enhance breathability and flexibility, etc.

this thread's covered just about everything u'd ever wanna know about waterproofness...bottom line, best for the price...it's ur call. u don't want some gay lookin shit that's really waterproof, when somethin else looks tight, but isn't quite as much. go 10,000mm+ to be safe. planet earth, sessions, bonfire, orage, burton, and tons of others will do it.



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