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Any creationists here ?

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TZP
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Because even the pope is saying creationism isn't valid / correct and that its meaning was misunderstood.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/the-pope/8009299/Pope-Benedict-XVIs-astronomer-the-Catholic-Church-welcomes-aliens.html
Dec 1 2011 9:26AM
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corona
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then you realize it's incredibly simple to put a date on a dinosaur fossil using stratigraphic records, or you could be much more precise and use radiometric dating. as for colour, I'd imagine we're still guess for the most part. for feeding habits, what they ate, etc etc, very very educated and quite precise hypotheses can be made based mostly on the morphology of them. There's really not much doubting it that when you have on with huge canines compared to one with huge molars that one is a carnivore and one is a herbivore.

They've got this shit down, like a science..
Dec 3 2011 11:45AM
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theabortionator
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Sure. And our dating skills are obviously exact. We've had these tools for less than 100 years but obviously we can be sure they're in anyway accurate to the tune of 10s of millions of years.


Dec 3 2011 11:54AM
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TZP
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what I mean is that according to you the bible accurately tells us about the beginning of times and how humans got there... yet never once does it mentions dinosaurs
Dec 3 2011 12:37PM
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ORDEAL
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wow.... i agree with you
Dec 3 2011 1:16PM
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corona
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they're obviously not perfect, for instance uranium-lead dating is accurate within about 2%. so on that 100 million year old dinosaur fossil they might be off by 2 million years. but when putting that into perspective geologically, that's very accurate. knowing that a dinosaur lives 120 million vs 123 million years ago really doesn't make much difference. the point being that they did live that long ago.

and yes, we're 100% without a doubt certain of their accuracy. it's easily provable. only a creationist would doubt them, and not doubt them on logic but on insecurity of their faith.

what's the reason for being religious? is it for security of mind? knowing that someone is looking out for you and predetermining your path in life? why not be your own leader? make your own bed?
Dec 3 2011 1:16PM
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theabortionator
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So from less than 100 years of testing we know for sure that it was between 120 million and 123 million years. Bullshit.

could have been 10 thousand years ago, could have been 500 trillion billion years ago.


I mean I guess you can say whatever because nobody can prove you wrong, at the same time, how does that differ from the religious?


Dec 3 2011 5:34PM
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Toasty.
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im so confused by this post. you start off with i believe in God, but end with being an atheist is cool?

are you religious?
Dec 3 2011 5:38PM
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theabortionator
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no
Dec 3 2011 5:39PM
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corona
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you're in denial of radiometric dating?

how do you live?

we can have within 2% accuracy on dating material that's 3.5 billion years old. science rocks. and it's completely provable.

I could link you to about a hundred peer reviewed articles on this matter, but I guess you wouldn't believe them??

how do you believe anything?

Dec 3 2011 5:53PM
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theabortionator
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we can have within 2% accuracy on dating material that's 3.5 billion years old. science rocks. and it's completely provable.


But You can't really test anything that's more than a couple thousand years old so you cna't be sure if you're even in the right ballpark.


"I could link you to about a hundred peer reviewed articles on this matter, but I guess you wouldn't believe them??"


It depends, but I don't really feel like reading them.


"how do you believe anything?"

The truth has a way of finding me
Dec 3 2011 5:56PM
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corona
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your life is lie, God is a lie; get over it
Dec 3 2011 6:14PM
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theabortionator
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And I'm not religious.
Dec 3 2011 6:33PM
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Obi-Wan-Jenobi
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In noahs ark it mentions all the animals in the world which would include dinosaurs if they was alive.
Dec 3 2011 8:16PM
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feihlination
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youre not taking noahs ark story literally, do you?
Dec 3 2011 8:22PM
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ButteredToast.
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In order for the myth of Noah's ark to be factually true, the world would have to have 3.5 times more water than currently exists in ALL the world's bodies of water.

No water ever leaves or enters Earth's atmosphere. The amount of water on our planet always has remained constant.

Also you'd have to take into account that it would be totally impossible to build a ship to hold two of every species (even with the assistance of modern technology). To believe it is naïve.

I don't know if you were implying that you take that story literally or not, but that's my .02
Dec 3 2011 8:36PM
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FerrisBueller
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Well said bro, i suggest you reading up on the conecept of entropy and how it could have created life randomly as the increase in entropy of a different universe occurred, the decrease of entropy occurred in our universe created life, but then again you have to define what is order and what id disorder, maybe life is disorder not order as we are lead to believe. (sorry if your not familiar to entropy none of that would have made sense haha)
Dec 3 2011 9:25PM
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joshua
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Hey I'm a creationist, what's up?
Dec 3 2011 10:33PM
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douchebagmdgee
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Dec 3 2011 10:37PM
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theabortionator
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wUt
Dec 3 2011 11:05PM
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th3Mailman
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creationism and intelligent design are both fucking wrong.
Dec 4 2011 12:59AM
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ohmythugaim
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I still don't know if you're trolling?
Dec 4 2011 2:31AM
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LineAddiction9
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BEST SOLUTION FOR THIS THREAD!!!!   Is    Sometimes we question shit that there is no answer too!!!!        Oh by the way  Abortionator your the fuckin man I love you dude keep teaching these 12 year olds the truth my Nikka!!!
Dec 4 2011 2:42AM
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smeeze
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You are my new best friend. I always have to try to explain to my friends how there is no other way that life could have happened without intelligent design. If evolution is in fact how it happened, how would an eye have been created? A tumorous group of cells could have somehow benefited a creature in such a way that allowed it to be on the good side of "natural selection"? No... no.
Dec 4 2011 2:47AM
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ohmythugaim
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I am now convinced that this thread is a masterful troll attempt committed by several different people, or by one person under several aliases.
Dec 4 2011 2:54AM
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7andsad
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this


after reading all of the abortionator's posts I am convinced he is a stubborn ignorant idiot.
Dec 4 2011 3:22AM
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dbstar
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Your watch metaphor is incredibly stupid, stop trying to use it. Maybe if you educated yourself on some of the accepted theories that explain how life would have begun on earth you wouldn't be so ignorant as to say "if i drop a watch, i doesn't just come together" haha wow. Logically, if you look at the history of science, and the history of religion, slowly science has been chipping away at what was generally accepted as something attributed to "God". Of course, we don't know everything yet, but with all of the evidence a rational mind should be able to deduce that that is all it is, that we don't know yet, not that it must be god.

Research has been able to demonstrate a strong basis for the idea that certain reactions in space could create molecules advanced enough for life to begin to evolve, remember, this is a process that takes billions of years. I guess it makes sense that God would have created earth, left it uninhabited for a few billions of years, slowly using his ultimate power to expose small creatures to earth over time, then putting dinosaurs on earth, killing them with a meteor, starting the process over again, and then allowing primitive humans to roam the earth for 100,000 years, before allowing us to be modern, which lead into a history of a race that has tendencies to violence, evident in our nonstop history of war (funny enough, likely attributed to evolution). All of this, because God loves us! What a guy!

Does it make any more sense that "God", the perfect and ultimate being, would have created humanity? In a universe with over a trillion planets? Just to instill us with choice.. right... that makes total sense, and of course you forget the inherent logical fallacy in your argument about where everything comes from, which is that God must have come from somewhere, and funny enough.. most religious people will readily accept the fact that God is too "complex" for us to understand his roots... wow, go figure.

There is a reason that atheism is generally accepted in scientific communities around the world, with the exception of course, of a few American scholars.
Dec 8 2011 8:08AM
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Danoo
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So we should wait 120 millions years to make sure? This thread had potential but you and other trolls managed to hijack it quite well. Congrats.
Dec 8 2011 10:08PM
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BlackCupid
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Our DNA is billions of nucleotides long. Creating a functional human being out of this at random would be like scrambling all the letters of thousands of books and then slapping them down randomly and getting a comprehensible story.
Dec 8 2011 10:24PM
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feihlination
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no its not.

next question.


and just for all the non-trolls. the watchmaker analogy obviously implies that something complex CAN ONLY be designed by something more complex. so who/what is complex enough to create the designer?

seriously guys, shut up with the creationist bullshit.
Dec 8 2011 10:39PM
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BlackCupid
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No it is.



Next question please.
Dec 8 2011 10:43PM
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feihlination
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where did god come from? seriously, tell me. the addition of god in this whole system does not explain horseshit. it makes everything more complex, not easier.

please explain that to me.
Dec 8 2011 10:47PM
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RudyGarmisch
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Evolution is not random. Lrn2bio.
Dec 8 2011 10:48PM
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BlackCupid
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I never said a word about God. You're the one who added god to this "system."
Dec 8 2011 10:50PM
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feihlination
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you made an analogy that its very unlikely that something as complex as human DNA is created by random, unguided processes.

this implies that, especially in the context of the thread, you think that a designer is needed. call it god, allah, the force or whatever.
Dec 8 2011 11:25PM
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BlackCupid
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Evolution is a lie. Lrn2creation.
Dec 8 2011 11:33PM
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feihlination
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trolling troll is trolling
Dec 8 2011 11:39PM
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.R-Lohin
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Im just doing my part here,science likes to say that they have figured out everything. How we came to be is ones of mans biggest questions.
Dec 9 2011 1:36AM
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vailsux.com
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OH FUCK?!?!?

looks like we are back in the 19th century.
Dec 9 2011 1:39AM
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RudyGarmisch
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Twice you've shown you do not understand rational thinking.
Dec 9 2011 1:51AM
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lotsofsnow
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Alright I hate to get involved in a disaster of a thread like this, but it seems like everyone seems to be taking turns to bash everything that theabortionator says, and there isn't much thinking going on, just opinions bouncing around off everyone.
A lot of you have pointed out scientific problems in Christianities story of the world, but this thread was made about creationism not specific religions. The problem with saying that science "disproves" religion is that they are two entirely different and independent things.
Science is a method of making observations about the world around us. This is very useful and important to our lives, religion does not argue with this. But the questions of why we, or the rest of the universe are even here at all, and whether we were created by something external to us, or just happened to exist by chance, are not questions that science can answer.
Dec 9 2011 2:55AM
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cow.
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smd?

:)
Dec 9 2011 3:20AM
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feihlination
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not at all. this is a question of logic thinking.

first of all, its a logical fallacy to think that everything that we cannot explain must have supernatural causes. there is no reason, at least no rational one, to add something to this life beyond scientific reasoning. its just a weak part of human nature to think so highly of itself that we expect that the whole universe was build for us, or that a magical wizard is sitting somewhere and leading my favourite nfl team to a win, or helping me with my exam next week.

secondly, a lot of creationists actively disregard scientific results, demonstrating how the two can not cooexist.

thirdly, although related to the first point: it is just more logic (by the definition of the word) that everything that we cant explain yet, has natural causes and or is subject to randomness. ok, i could add now a god and say that he is designing and controlling our life. but then, where did god come from? religious people never answer that question and say he always was or some other crap. then cut him and say the universe always was. at some point, something came out of nothing, admit it. maybe it was like that:

nothing > god > universe

or

nothing > jabba the hut > santa claus > god > universe

or plain and simple

nothing > universe


its called logic. not the everyday use of it. but the more general framework.




so tell me. what are things we cant explain so far? give me some.
Dec 9 2011 6:10AM
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ohmythugaim
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sure is trolls in here.
Dec 9 2011 6:03PM
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PlaygroundRapist
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Religion is for fools who don't know any better.
Dec 9 2011 6:17PM
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theabortionator
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Anybody else believe in scientology?
Dec 9 2011 6:21PM
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PlaygroundRapist
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From a business point of view: YES.
From a believers point of view: NO.
Dec 9 2011 6:22PM
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tayhawx
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Religion is so fucking stupid.
Dec 9 2011 6:26PM
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ButteredToast.
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guys. guys. come on.

1 Corinthians 13:11
Dec 9 2011 6:41PM
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mowdapow
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Did not read thread, but the amount of religious threads coming up in NSG these days makes me think that public schools need a mandatory religious studies class. Cutting religion out education is horrible, it's such a huge factor in the world today, kids need a basic understanding of the major religions, theres far to much ignorance regarding the major religions.

by the way, not religious, just think people should be a bit more knowledgeable, just as important to learn about this as the civil war
Dec 9 2011 8:07PM
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feihlination
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true dat.

a lot of stuff in school goes unnoticed but it can prevent hate and stagnating societies. or societies going backwards. like the positive correlation between education and disbelief in creationism.


semi-related:
i kind of read a lot about the roman emperors right now and when you look at it, a lot of "our" problems have already been there, and probably in 50 other societies. but if you dont know history, you make the same mistakes all over again.

Dec 10 2011 3:26AM
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