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Rocker vs Camber? pure park ski suggestion

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Armada333
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Whats up guys! Have been reading for an hour now and a thought its time i create my first thread
Im need new skis. its like my 5th pairs
I was really interested by the Thall http://armadaskis.com/product/skis/thall/
   and then I heard about rocker.. make switch up on rail easier because your tip catch less
Do you guys liked your first experience with rocker skis? + and - ?
Or maybe id rather stick with the traditionnal camber..
My request is: Tell me about some light, stable, kinda-buttery-but-not-too-much-cuz-i-like-jumping-alot ski
But i love rails too.. pretty much 50/50
So if you have anything to say to help me thanks!

Nov 29 2011 4:32AM
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juicedrummer11
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if you wanna go big on the jumps and in the pipe, don't get rockers. i have tried them on rails and they're pretty fun n such but super sketchy on jumps and if you wanna hit the pipe...sketchier. i have the ar7's after i went through that same dilemma last season and i love them. they are a little stiffer but i hit rails jumps and pipe all the same. the t-halls are the same shape but a little more flexible so you would probably like those a lot. but camber wins for park in my opinion
Nov 29 2011 5:16AM
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C.L
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In my opinion rocker on a park ski serves no valid purpose. It makes it easier to butter and do surface swaps I guess but if you can't already do them at least half good on regular cambered skis then it wouldn't make a difference with a rockered ski.
Nov 29 2011 5:16AM
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mehregan15
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i rode moment rockers last year and I loved them, I think the rocker makes park riding a little more fun. but they broke so this year i got Armada halos which should be a good mix of camber under foot and early rise in the tip and tails.
Nov 29 2011 5:42AM
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steezysteeze
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If you're getting rockered skis for the park, definitely get a camber/rocker hybrid.
Nov 29 2011 6:21AM
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idskithat
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i got the domains this year, only been riding preseason stuff with them, but rocker makes it easier to butter and surface swap. but thats basically it
Nov 29 2011 6:43AM
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STAUSS
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what you want is the surface no time.
Nov 29 2011 12:02PM
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k-fred
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ive been riding the domains (rocker) for one year and they're awsome. at fthe begining its a bit weird but you'll get used. my fav trick on rail is definitely surface because the rocker make them soooo smooth and clean.

Nov 29 2011 12:11PM
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jabills
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camber will give you more stability and edge control
rocker GENERALLY makes it easier to butter and will have a tighter turn radius
Nov 29 2011 12:16PM
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I_Am_Mod
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camber + some jib rocker for smaller jumps, jibbing and rails

regular camber for bigger parks, throwing down on larger jumps and generally harder shredding

fatter skis with rocker and a bit longer than usual for allround park + pow

full on reverse camber and humongous dimensions for shralping the gnar .

just my view on things...
rocker is fun on groomers but gets ugly when you're going hard ...
Nov 29 2011 12:16PM
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eheath
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rocker and park don't really mix. The only non-camber type of ski that works with park skiing is a flat ski, aka no camber, no rocker, etc. I would suggest a normal camber ski for park riding though.
Nov 29 2011 12:17PM
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TheWakes.
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so fun isn't a valid reason?


rockered skis are good on rails and smaller jumps. if you want to jump a lot on bigger jumps, buy a longer length. otherwise, t hall is a good lightweight ski that you will enjoy.
Nov 29 2011 12:17PM
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a_pla5tic_bag
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^ i feel that way. i don't think i'll be able to bring myself to get a flat or cambered, rockered ski. I ski on ice and fake snow and enjoy going fast, i need edge control and even with dull edges i don't have an issue maintain grip.
Nov 29 2011 12:19PM
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schmies
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You guys need to try a full on flat ski with minor rocker before you knock it. Edge hold comes from the torsional rigidity, meaning how much does your ski want to twist when turning on firm ass snow?
If it wants to wash out or slide on hard snow, it isn't holding well and the ski is built too soft underfoot.

We wrap all our cores with specific fiberglass wraps in order to keep a high level of torsional rigidity underfoot and into the tip and tail. Adding that little bit of rocker on the ends makes the ski even more playful. Camber gives you rebound in turns. You CAN still snap out strong turns on a flat ski. It bends beyond flat and wants to regain it's original shape, granted NOT as much as camber, but the concept works and is super fun.

When we made out first sticks with JIB Rocker I admit I was skeptical and thought we went too far. Then I skied them. After that day, I went home and took the binders off my other skis.

You can watch the K2 crew shredding JIb Rocker sticks (Domains and Maidens) in Weight and some of the Summer School edits. You can see the skis in action and they work pretty well:)


Nov 29 2011 3:15PM
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SKI.ING
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What do you guys define as going "big" or shredding hard? Because I've seen plenty of edits with the Armada team rocking Halos and throwing tricks off pretty big jumps, same goes for the K2 squad. Are you really going to be going "bigger" than all of them? Personally don't own a rockered park ski, but this argument always seems flawed to me with what I've seen in various edits.
Nov 29 2011 3:32PM
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Armada333
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Thanks alot for all your anwser guys!
Some comment pulled me back to the THalls.. but im not ready to give up on rocker skis yet.. i might have to try them myself to be sure because ill have them for the next 2-4 years..
Although i like throwing 9's, misty's and cork 7.. these are pretty much my biggest trick right now..
The main reason i would like rocker is to spin easier on rails
Still not sure...
Keep your arguments going it helps me :)
Peace

Dec 2 2011 6:24PM
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Hughes
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what about skis like the volkl ledge with rocker and camber? how do they do in the park?
Dec 6 2011 3:56PM
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