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Skiing's Art of Flight

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UncleGerry
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Is it just me or do other people feel as if skiing could definitely put together an Art of Flight what would be just as, probably even more, bad ass than Travis' movie. Think about it, if you took all of the biggest hucks, gnarliest lines, biggest names in the sport, and creative park features from the past 4 years and paired it with a filming budget, it would be surreal.

Can and will skiing do this anytime soon? Seems like Red Bull Media is starting to get more and more into the freeski scene.

How would something like this even start to be put together/what would the process involve?

I'm stoked to see what Candide comes out with for his film, I wonder if it will be near the same level as Art of Flight.

Nov 25 2011 11:05AM
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[evan]
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It'd be sick, but i just dont think the freeski industry has that kind of money in it.
Nov 25 2011 11:06AM
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meowmo
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candide mentioned maybe trying more xgames i think that would be sick as hell but how old is he?
Nov 25 2011 11:10AM
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UncleGerry
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I don;t think he's really that old. But that would be dope if he just came out of nowhere and showed everyone up at the X Games like he did in 2005.

Furthermore, I was thinking about how dope McConkey's ski BASEs would've looked on a super sick HD cam. Candide, McConkey, Morrison's cliff hucks, Sammy/LJ's park ninja shit. All of this would be so sick for a skiing version of AOF!

Nov 25 2011 11:25AM
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casual
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Candide is 28 or 29....not "old" per se but ancient in terms of an x competitor. I would love to see him back at it. Either at x or fwt.
Nov 25 2011 11:41AM
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Enstrut
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Skiing deff. needs an AOF to promote it and get it out to the general public. I know kids that don't do snow sports and went and bought AOF. They just need some rad stuff and a big budget, but thats a scary move when there isn't a huge market for ski movies like snowboard movies have. LIke wasn't brain farms budget 2 million +?
Nov 25 2011 11:42AM
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triebby
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Would I like to see skiings version of Art of Flight? You're damn right I would.


Do I think it is possible for skiing to create a film at this moment that is on par with AOF? No I do not.

I honestly just don't think that skiing as a sport has athletes that are performing at as high a level as the TITA or AOF crew to make a project like that happen. The riding in TITA when it came out and AOF was seriously groundbreaking stuff. The tricks that these guys were doing, the terrain they were doing them on and size of the jumps/gaps/taps are all things that skiing is behind on.

Sure, we have a ton of talented athletes in our sport that are absolutely crushing it, but when I watch AOF and compare it to the best segments in the best ski movies, I see that we are just not there yet.

I think two of the largest specific factors in getting there is finding our version of T-Rice and Brainfarm. There is no skier currently in our sport that is as versatile, talented and downright rowdy as Travis Rice. Guys like Pettit and Candide are definitely moving in that direction, but they are not there yet and to me you need a center piece rider like that to pull that kind of project together.

Secondly, I don't think any ski movie production companies are able to put together a project like AOF just yet. Again, they are going in the right direction and I'm sure a big part of that is budget, but AOF is the most tightly edited, well composed and best shot action sports movie that I have ever seen (however I haven't seen All I Can and I hear that it's pretty good). Cineflex? Who in the ski movie industry is rockin that on a regular basis right now?

In closing, I can't wait wait for skiings AOF. However, it's just not that time yet.
Nov 25 2011 12:01PM
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VanMelle
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Im pretty sure brain farm and red bull media house are working on something like this as we speak. From what i've heard another two year project. Thats all hear say tho
Nov 25 2011 12:03PM
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colin13
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Well I have no doubt that when Candide's movie comes out I'll enjoy it more than Art of Flight. It doesn't have to be triple heli HD to be full of bangers. I bought Wh'appen (Rastafaride 6) back in the day and some of the shots in there were epic on a small budget.
Nov 25 2011 12:06PM
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I_Am_Mod
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candide is pretty much the travis rice of freeskiing ....

i expect it to be something like this :)

i'm so stoked to see this!

Last monday i attended the art of flight premier and during the entire movie i had goosebumps and was just gaping at the screen in complete awe :)


Nov 25 2011 12:11PM
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rYb
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3 heli's per shot... Im good. AoF is sick but wouldnt be as good and would never happen unless all production companies and their riders where in on it.
Nov 25 2011 12:11PM
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I_Am_Mod
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isn't this a normal/obvious thing?
Nov 25 2011 12:15PM
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00000000
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Pulled this from the latest issue of SKIER. Figured it was pretty relevant -

"Few sports romanticize the idea of the ‘dirtbag’ more than skiing. Tales of seasons spent in cramped Subaru backseats, scamming lift tickets, and scrounging for leftovers in the day lodge are a a dime a dozen. And it’s been that way for decades. So what is it about this pursuit that’s had people—for generations now—say goodbye to the daily grind and escape to the mountains? And is there any value to the dirtbag lifestyle beyond the cliched glory-day stories and regular face shots? A couple of films from this years crop of action sports porn might have the answer.

After years of working on smaller, well-received projects throughout their native B.C., the Sherpas Cinema crew has just released their two-year project, All.I.Can. It’s an expansive film that not only showcases the talents of the skiers in front of the lens, but also strives to provide context, both societal and environmental, into how our activities are affecting the world around us. Ambitious stuff for a ski movie, but these guys had a vision. There were no fancy budgets, no energy drink sponsors, and the boys even bought carbon offsets to lessen their footprint. It was a grind, a labour of love, and from initial reactions the Sherpas have hit a home run.

On the opposite end of the spectrum, snowboarder Travis Rice release The Art of Flight, the follow-up to 2009’s wildly popular That’s It, That’s All. Claiming the movie would “change snowboarding forever,” the strategy seems to have simply been “spend more money,” The Art of Flight is a lesson in excess, and despite several shots of a heli-following-a-helifollowing- a-plane-type ridiculousness, in the end we’re just left with a fancier version of the last movie.

Now, no one who’s seen Travis Rice shred in Flight would call him lazy or uncreative—the guy’s a phenom—but Travis is at the top of his sport. Everything is within his reach. There’s no struggle anymore. If he wants three heli’s and a plane, done. And that shows in the final product. Sure it’s a beautiful film, but where’s the substance? The Sherpas won’t be living the dirtbag grind for much longer, if at all, but their drive to create something out of nothing, the passion for telling a story, and send a message, was received loud and clear. Not because they used this camera over that other one, but because they fought for it. And whether you’re a dirt bag living in a ski resort parking lot or a dirtbag making a ski movie, I think that struggle is something that we can all relate to."

- Chris O'Connell

Nov 25 2011 12:17PM
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jksl
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just curious if anyone in here has seen All I Can?
i enjoyed that far more than Art of Flight and i felt like it was kind of similar minus the huge bc jumps.

pretty on par with the cinematography/editing/natural shredding, in my opinion.

either way All I Can is an amazing movie.
Nov 25 2011 12:27PM
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Mr.Bishop
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Won't that always simply be the beauty of the smaller more am projects?

I think the idea that skiing idolizes dirt bags is fantastic, and myself look back at the old days where I had my van and skiing was all that mattered. Its wicked when a crew like this puts out a picture with so much soul and thought. It think hat more people should fight the grind and put stuff with soul out...

However, the issue comes that almost everyone eventually gets tired of the day in and day out grind with no support. Credit cards get maxed, families stop sending money, equipment breaks down, people get girlfriends who won't sleep in the van... and uncountable awesome projects or athletes who 'bum it' fall into the clutches of needing the cold reality of financial support.

The Travis Rice thing is a whole different ballgame too. Sure he is going to a level of high budget that is a total escape from reality... but its great that this kind of a thing is out there too. Audiences go see movies for many reasons, some can be for fulfilment and some can be to experience sheer awe. Both types of flicks have their respective place in the world.

I'm extremely happy that the Sherpas guys put out such a soulful project. Fuckin' A. Check.

Now I wanna see skiing's Art of Flight, except I want 5 helicopters and two planes. Skiers do stunts, so lets see the skier gap over 2 helicopters and 1 plane, while the other 3 helis and 1 plane film them.

I mean after all... skiing is about fun... so why not go to all extremes and embrace every direction?
Nov 25 2011 12:34PM
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Orrin
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Yup loved All I Can, it's still slightly behind on the insane level of video quality AoF has though. Lets hope we get a huge, groundbreaking ski film in the near future :)
Nov 25 2011 12:43PM
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Lord.Quasimoto
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skiings art of flight will be the candide movie.

as for All.I.Can - it was fucking dope. really good feel to the movie, you can't help but get wrapped up in it - makes you want to get out into the BC. i did think the environmental preaching went a bit far - but to each their own i guess.
Nov 25 2011 1:31PM
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prophet
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Wasn't "The Massive" supposed to be skiing's response to That's It That's All? Didn't work out that well....
Nov 25 2011 1:54PM
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theabortionator
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WUT? Are we talking candide thovex?



Is this 1999?
Nov 25 2011 5:05PM
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ESB
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Wow, great words, Chris! Love it!
Nov 25 2011 5:56PM
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theabortionator
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"and the boys even bought carbon offsets to lessen their footprint."


^ People are fucking stupid.


They should have used that money to help their super low budget.


Otherwise it was well written and I understand his viewpoint.
Nov 25 2011 6:11PM
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Lord.Quasimoto
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... how much money did it take to "offset their footprint" is what I would like to know.
Nov 25 2011 6:25PM
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theabortionator
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Same. That was probably 90% of the budget. Stupid.



If they wanted to do something REAL they could have done what Jeremy Jones did for deeper. It was all hiking, no helis or snowmobiles.

Nov 25 2011 6:39PM
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Dustin.
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Take any of the best recent ski films and slow it down some more, then toss in 500 more shots of helicopters.

Boom, done.
Nov 26 2011 12:06AM
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th3Mailman
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all.i.can. is the sickest ski movie ever made. period.
Nov 26 2011 1:38AM
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prophet
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incorrect. helis, snowmobiles and airplanes...
Nov 26 2011 4:28AM
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miketheskier88
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They used 56 tons of carbon in the movie... at carbonfund.org, its $20 for 2 tonnes.

56 / 2 * 20 = $560.

What a generous contribution from Sherpa Cinemas to the environment.... The film was sick, if you ignore the first 10 minutes and all the environmental stuff.

So hypocritical to lecture the viewers about saving the environment and then go on a heliskiing trip.
Nov 26 2011 7:37AM
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I_Am_Mod
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it might be hypocritical in some way, but then again, if they would inspire even just one of us to care a bit more about the environment in any way, and lessen their environmental footprint i think their point is achieved ...

+ that vid is sick, i don't give a flying rats ass whether or not they're hypocrites for making awesome snow content !
Nov 26 2011 8:31AM
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shibby
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Dirtbag vibe, big budget gnarly hits vibe, urban, it doesn't matter, snowboarding just does movies better.

The only thing skiing does better is bright color, spin to win faggotry.
Nov 26 2011 8:31AM
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theabortionator
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Are you fucking stupid?




"What a generous contribution from Sherpa Cinemas to the environment"

Why the fuck didn't they actually do something useful for the environment. Carbon write offs are the biggest trendy joke. IF you really want to help, fucking do something real and help. People this stupid give me understanding of why the world is in such a mess these days.


Oh yeah, if you were joking with that then disregard that. It was channeled at whoever takes these carbon write offs seriously. I just woke up and I'm hungry.


"So hypocritical to lecture the viewers about saving the environment and then go on a heliskiing trip."


True.
Nov 26 2011 8:33AM
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miketheskier88
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Haha dude.. I was being sarcastic about the donation.
Nov 26 2011 8:41AM
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theabortionator
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That's what I figured when I got to the end, but I had already put 30 seconds into writing that. I just decided to add something about it possibly not applying to you and leave it.


Nov 26 2011 8:46AM
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B-runge
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yeah right i bet they used way more resources to get that far into the backcounty in AK and to travel to chamonix than your average heli trip
Nov 26 2011 11:10AM
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Drail
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HANGRY!
Nov 26 2011 2:08PM
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rossiskier93
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candide is doing it
Nov 26 2011 2:30PM
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-GL-
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All.I.Can I find is most like Art of Flight cineamatogphy wise
Nov 26 2011 2:58PM
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Ben.
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Anyone who thinks AoF is just a bunch of shots of helis and slow mo, and not incredibly groundbreaking is quite naive. Travis Rice is unreal. That movie was non stop unreal riding. End of story.
Nov 26 2011 3:51PM
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B-runge
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call me an ignorant fanboy but skiing needs a travis rice before it can have a thats it thats all/art of flight
Nov 26 2011 4:56PM
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I_Am_Mod
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yeah, the tricks he throws in there are mad, but i was the most impressed by how hard he charges and how hard he stomps the living shit out of em, that dude's unreal ....
Nov 26 2011 5:07PM
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-emile-
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ALL I CAN = skiing's art of flight ..
Nov 26 2011 5:08PM
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theabortionator
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I agree with this and the quote form ben.


It's dope that he's showing more of him. Before he was this ridiculously talented all around rider that you only saw in slopestyle contests.



I think he was voted most likely to slay anything his board touches.
Nov 26 2011 5:27PM
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dan4060
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I would have to disagree with you.

I think skiing is behind in terms of technical tricks in AK, and maybe gap jumps too.  But skiing is ahead in other ways.  There are guys who are putting down sicker lines than anything that was in AOF.  Seth Morrison is doing tricks off of bigger cliffs, in lines, than anyone in snowboarding.  The boarders are doing  better tricks, yes, but they are not doing said tricks in better lines.  I think a skiing AOF would be just as sick, and in many ways sicker, as AOF, it would just be a bit different. 

I would love to see a skiing AOF with a segment on the Verbier Extreme.  The skiing going down on the Bec De Ross is nuts.  I am more impressed with that, than with jibbing medium size AK cliffs.  You don't have to agree with me, but I see areas where skiing is ahead of snowboarding, and a skiing AOF could definitely showcase that.  Like I said, it would be a bit different, but every bit as sick.  Watching Seth flash an AK line and do an 80 foot front flip, or watching Hoji ski that one line in AOLN(the last line in the coast segment), those things are, in my mind, just as sick as anything I saw in AOF.

I don't mean to put down AOF, as I loved it.  I just can't agree that snowboarding is ahead of skiing.  If McConkey were still alive, how sick would it be to see a Shane billygoat segment, like in There is Something About McConkey, with an AOF level camera?  Snowboarding is ahead in certain, ways, skiing is ahead in other facets.

The main reason for no skiing AOF is not the athletes, it is the budget.  No ski movie, and indeed no other snowboard movie, has that sort of budget.  Red Bull, or someone like that, would need to step up and provide the budget for those cameras.  There is a thread on TGR about those cameras, where someone who would know stated that MSP/TGR just don't have the budget for cameras like that.
Nov 26 2011 5:54PM
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EmperorKuzco
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I wouldn't really consider that hypocritical...
Nov 26 2011 6:00PM
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EmperorKuzco
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All I Can was definitely on par with Art of Flight, and I have my hopes high for Candide's movie and believe it will be just as good if not better than AOF.
Nov 26 2011 6:01PM
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Beau_Larson
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Its called All.I.Can.
JP's urban segment is my favorite segment ever.
Nov 26 2011 10:40PM
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Janky
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yes, all i can had substance like the article stated and almost made u want to so something for your family or for the sport and for the environment.
Nov 26 2011 10:57PM
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snowboardersrule
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there isn't a sking AOF because brain farm doesn't make ski movies. brain farm cant really be copied. anytime one style is directly copied it doesn't really work. film companies have their own styles for a reason. part of brain farm's style is spending more energy to get the right shot than you do the right trick. they spent day's setting up those backcountry shoots. nevermind, tthe travel time with all the gear and crew. that philosophy doesn't work for every film crew. 

also, why does skiing need an AOF? for publicity? the next Olympics will bring so much publicity to skiing, you won't even know what to do with it. skiers, and every filmmaker, should focus on making movies they want to make, not copying someone else.

and what was the point of chris o'connell's article? that good ski movies can be made cheap? AOF is novel because its a good, successful snowboard movie with a big budget. they are plenty of bad big budget ski/snowboard movies (ie warren millers of recent years, mtn dew movies and other shit). on the other hand,  good shred movies with no budget are a dime-a-dozen.
Nov 27 2011 3:43AM
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dan4060
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Yes and no. 

None of us are perfect.  The point is to do the best we can, with what we can.  If you have to drive a car, you can at least recycle, and use reusable  bags.  If everyone cut down on 95% of the plastic  bags they use, something we can all do, that would make a difference.

I have more use for people who at least aspire to be better, than for typical idiots that don't give a fuck.

If you are going to go heliskiing, you might want to bike to work a few days.


Nov 27 2011 4:49PM
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