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TheStamos
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My new Toyota is rad, but it doesnt weight anything and i'm having an issue. I have been driving around like the world is an icerink when wet , the truck drifts around most 90* turns and yeah its fun as hell, but once i actually get on ice its gonna be a bitch. I was thinking of filling the spare tire that sits under the bed with water , has anyone ever heard of this? I'm not concerned with rusting out that rim , its not nice the like the rest of em. Any other ideas? I dont want sand bags in the bed all winter. . .
Nov 25 2011 2:37AM
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lill_sominsomin
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my friends dad put about 8 bags of mortar in the very back of his truck bed because the same thing was happening. held it in with a piece of wood wedged in. quick fix but its working well so far. hope that helps
Nov 25 2011 3:07AM
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dreadyboy
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That sounds like it would be way too much effort to get the water to stay in the tire, and it makes having that spare useless. If you want a useless spare why not just take it out and put sandbags where the spare goes?
Nov 25 2011 3:16AM
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lill_sominsomin
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oh wait i read all of that except the last sentence. but yeah besides that theres not really anything you could do
Nov 25 2011 3:56AM
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seward
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im not for sure, but i heard some where that water freezes.
exspecially when its cold out, like the winter.

driving around with a tire full of water that is going to freeze/thaw/freeze/thaw/ etc all winter does not sound smart.

i suggest finding yourself some FAT CHICKS and load em up.
Nov 25 2011 9:28AM
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Curb.
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yeah i would just put mortar or my friends dad puts a few cement blocks with sand bags in his bed. anything heavy usually will work.
Nov 25 2011 10:30AM
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skithesprings
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that's really not going to do much, plus how would you fill a tire with water?

sandbags on sandbags on sandbags
Nov 25 2011 11:08AM
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Boggs
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put a bail of hay in the box. Only good solution hahaha
Nov 25 2011 11:12AM
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midwestpowhunter
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buy for sale sign.

fill out said for sale sign

put in the window of your 2x4 truck

sell 2x4 truck

buy 4x4 truck = problem solved?

Nov 25 2011 11:15AM
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PhaedeD
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do this... or get really good tires and like a bunch of sandbags and throw them in the back. add more sandbags until you find it easy to drive.
Nov 25 2011 12:21PM
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geteducated
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but put the sandbags close to the cab wall. just don't think you can throw the weight anywhere in the bed. placement is important.
Nov 25 2011 12:24PM
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Doug.Dimmadome
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everyone i know buts a shit ton of sand bags in their trucks and they say it's fine
Nov 25 2011 12:35PM
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chicken
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how is 4 wheel drive gonna make going around slippery corners easier?

unless toyotas have full-time 4wd. I know mine didn't. I could pop it into 4wd and climb mountains but never would for going around slippery corners. I feel it would just make sliding more likely.
Nov 25 2011 1:10PM
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Shark.
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sandbags. every truck user should know this
Nov 25 2011 1:13PM
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General_Ripper
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It's pretty easy. Just go around the corners slower
Nov 25 2011 1:15PM
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ChrisSkisChronic
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I have 2 bigass chunks of steel, about 80lbs each, bolted into the bed right over the axel.
Nov 25 2011 1:16PM
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alexat955
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why dont you want sandbags? It's the easiest solution and they don't take up much space
Nov 25 2011 1:20PM
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TheStamos
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Its and 89 4x4 toyota. i dont want to drive it in 4 wheel all winter. they make valve stem adapters to fill tires with water so im just gonna buy one of those. Not planning on using that tire so think of it as a container only.
Nov 25 2011 2:13PM
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geteducated
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if you aren't going to need the full use of your bed just shovel snow into the back of it and pack it down. when it warms up there won't be any unloading you have to do.
Nov 25 2011 2:33PM
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PhaedeD
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fill the tires with water?? you live where its below freezing for some reason i think this is a terrrrible idea. im not sure why yet mechanically but this just sounds terrible.


I think I got in 2 seconds of thinking about it. besides the frozen water in your tires its terrible to add a lot of rotational mass to your car, its bad for the motor, transmission and your gas milage. defintelly try to get some snow tires on the rears or all 4 and put a bunch of sandbags in the bed. dont fill your tires with fucking water thats a jokester move.
Nov 25 2011 3:20PM
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Dwight_Schrute
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He's going to fill his SPARE tire with water. That he ISN'T using because it's on a piece of shit rim. OP, yes it will work, just don't overfill it because when it freezes, it will probably crack either the tire or the rim and leak, so just leave some space.
Nov 25 2011 3:25PM
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connory998
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He wants to fill his spare with water. Still a stupid idea but not as bad as filling his operational tires.
Nov 25 2011 3:25PM
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chicken
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he meant the spare tire obviously.

I just think it wont be enough weight and will fuck you over if you get a flat.

just use sandbags
Nov 25 2011 3:26PM
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MFM
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Filling your spare tire with water is so stupid, and then basically you can't use it as a spare. If your dumb ass doesn't want the bulk of sandbags find some heavy steel bars like the other guy did.
Nov 25 2011 3:48PM
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PhaedeD
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ya i was confused and didnt know how that would be possible hahaha just go with sandbags they cost like 3 dollars.. fuck make your own fuccckkk go to the junk yard get a bunch of heavy shit and throw it in the back of your truck!
Nov 25 2011 4:02PM
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dispatchQ_main
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Did not read other replies. But for my truck (dads), we put 2 slabs of steel in the bed for when its winter. Does the trick mighty fine.
Nov 25 2011 4:59PM
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jahmin44
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how the fuck is buying a machine that puts water into your tire easier then throwing a few sandbags in the bed? What are you going to do when you get a flat? What are you going to do when you find out you need weight closer to the cab than where the spare sits?
Nov 25 2011 7:30PM
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I_Am_Mod
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try deflating the tires a little ....
Nov 25 2011 7:34PM
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navierSTOKED
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If you're not so keen on sand, what about depleted uranium? if it's good enough for boeing it's good enough for you
Nov 25 2011 8:06PM
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Childstar.
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This guys got it covered:
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Nov 25 2011 8:21PM
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TheStamos
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haha well, I valve stem adapter isn't a machine and it weighs 1,100th the weight of one sandbag. Sounds easier to me. You guys are funny as hell. I should have known better. For your information many off road and crawlers fill there tires about 30% full of water to lower the center of gravity. Water is about 7lbs per gallon. I bet I could fit bout 25 gallons into that tire with some room to expand when freezing. 25x7= 175lbs plus the weight of the tire and rim. The spare sits jut behind the rear axle, perfect.my only concern is that extra 175 ripping the tire carrier off.thanks for your analytical powers haha
Nov 25 2011 9:55PM
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geteducated
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i don't think putting all that weight BEHIND the rear axle is advisable.
Nov 25 2011 10:31PM
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Childstar.
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WHEEEELIIIEEEES FTW
Nov 25 2011 10:43PM
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TheStamos
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Think about all the weight in front of the front axle? where does the weight of a trailer go? it will be more than fine with 175 and im sure thats a high estimate. prob more in the 140 range.

Nov 25 2011 10:55PM
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DrZoidberg
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Just fill the spare with concrete.
Nov 25 2011 11:05PM
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geteducated
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excess weight due to the engine positioned in front of an not on or close to behind the axles cause understeer...a symptom that older audi's have had..

weight of a trailer should be distributed across all axles evenly. i don't know what you're trying to say about trailers. i'm not saying that its not a good idea because the weight won't be supported, but placing weight behind the rear axle rather than on or in front of the axle will is opposite to what you want to achieve.
Nov 25 2011 11:34PM
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jahmin44
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The engine usually sits over the front axel not directly in front of it.

Nov 25 2011 11:42PM
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TheStamos
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i want weight on my rear tires. The current location is just behind the axle. The 1.5 feet only adds a little bit of levarage. i could lift the back of that truck off the ground if i hit the gym for 2 weeks. The farther i get from the axle back to the rear bumper the more efffect its going to have i understand. Currently im not concerned with understeer , im concerned with loosing traction at a level stop light in wet conditions. im gonna play with it all and see what works best for me, abnother option is to throw 160 lbs of concrete in the toolbox and see how it handles. That is a more centered weight, but it takes up most my box.
Nov 25 2011 11:42PM
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jahmin44
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How is this a better alternative than sandbags? are you just apposed to them taking up a little extra room?
Nov 25 2011 11:48PM
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TheStamos
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this is after i got a hold of a free tollbox.  I dont want loose anything floating around the back of my truck. and id rather keep it all out of sight . i dont want anything in the box either but it might be worth it, im gonna try the tire first.
Nov 25 2011 11:52PM
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skithesprings
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you're an idiot.

or a troll

not sure...
Nov 26 2011 10:13PM
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TheStamos
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you got me ! 

Your obsessed with penisis ( hence your username)

 Or a bitch

 Not sure...

Nov 26 2011 11:00PM
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technique.
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"HEY GUYS! i want your help, shoot me some good ideas....

























...just kidding, fuck you! i dont want your advice. my dumb idea is the best"-TheStamos
Nov 26 2011 11:38PM
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tronned
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lololololol. funny thread is funny.

You cant inflate a tire with water. Not to mention you will fucking destroy the bead sealing surface of your rim and water log the rubber on the inside of your tire. The rubber on the inside of your tires is completely different than the outside cured rubber. Not to mention how are you going to seat a tire on a rim with water? You need 40ish psi to seat most beads on rims.


So much fail. lol.
Nov 26 2011 11:39PM
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TheStamos
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Ignorance is a bitch isnt it.^ your reading comprehension is extremely low.  Fucking kids.

http://www.polyperformance.com/shop/Trail-Gear-Water-Fill-Adapter-p-18689.html

Many drivers on the trail and in competition have found that adding weight in their tires helps their rigs perform better in many circumstances. The Trail-Gear water fill valve gives you an easy way to add water to your tires.

Start by removing the valve core and allow all of the air to escape from the tire.

Next, thread the water fill valve onto the valve stem. Note that the push button valve on the side of the fill valve should be accessible.

Connect garden hose to the adapter. Turn water on. Water will start flowing in to the tire. Periodically turn the water off and then push in the valve button. If the water level is above the valve core, then water will come out of the button. If air comes out, then the water level is below the valve core. Once the desired water level has been reached, remove the water fill adapter and reinstall the valve core.

We recommend filling your tires to the level shown in the photo to the right. This level has worked well in our Formula Toy and is a good starting point. You can put in more or less water if you wish. As an example a 37" MTR mounted on Trail-Gear Creeper Lock 17" wheel weighs 125 lbs. When water is added to the level shown the total weight increases to 200 lbs. So each tire has an additional load of 75 lbs.

To prevent damage to your air pressure gauge, we recommend that you check your tire pressure only when the valve core is above the water line.

These instructions are designed as a general installation guide. Installation of Trail-Gear Products requires specialized skills such as metal fabrication, welding and mechanical trouble shooting. If you have any questions or are unsure about how to proceed, please contact our shop at 559-252-4950 or seek help from a competent fabricator. Using fabrication tools such as welders, torches and grinders can cause serious bodily harm and death. Please operate equipment carefully and observe proper safely procedures.

Rock crawling and off-road driving are inherently dangerous activities. Some modifications will adversely affect the on-road handling characteristics of your vehicle. All products sold by Trail-Gear Inc are sold for off road use only. Any other use or application is the responsibility of the purchaser and/or user. Some modifications and installation of certain aftermarket parts may under certain circumstances void your original dealer warrantee. Modification of your vehicle may create dangerous conditions which could cause roll-overs resulting in serious bodily injury or death. Buyers and users of these products hereby expressly assume all risks associated with any such modifications and use.

Nov 26 2011 11:46PM
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TheStamos
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Its obvious that none of them knew what they were talking about isnt it. Also , i stated i didnt want sand bags or shit in the back of my truck didnt I ? so out of all this the only good idea was to lower my PSI but i dont really want to do that to much and it doesnt really solve my problem. ALSO. to one of the critical thinkers above. HOW the fuck does the weight from a trailer sit on all axles evenly , it doesnt, DUH. it sits on the back of the frame where the godamn hitch connects and is mainly on the rear axle .

Life lesson for you all. If you dont know what your talking about and you say something, it makes you look really stupid.

Nov 26 2011 11:52PM
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tronned
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im assuming they want these water filled tires to be in non freezing temps. I dont work in an off roading shop and never once seen this in practice. I have no idea how well it would actually work, but it seems like a fair amount of work for realistically a very little gain. Keep in mind if its a full size alloy spare, its going to destroy that wheel most likely. Why not get some very good all season tires that are geared slightly more toward the winter spectrum of things or just some full on winter tires?

By the way im not a kid, check my profile pics if you want my credentials.
Nov 27 2011 12:10AM
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geteducated
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ya, if that was the case, why do tow vehicles have a rear gross axle weight rating? you think if all the weight was supposed to sit on the rear frame that vehicles wouldn't have that rating? you know what happens when a vehicle that needs to brake hard while towing when the majority of the weight from the trailer rests on the hitch? why do they make weight distribution hitches too? i tried helping you, but you really are a moron. that's why i haven't responded to your thread again until now, because i realized you're a lost cause. you already had your mind made up before doing this thread. stop wasting everyone's time.
Nov 27 2011 9:59AM
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Yinzer
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water in tire + winter = frozen block of destroyed wheel and tire.
Nov 27 2011 10:34AM
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charmander
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dont take this the wrong way, but you're an idiot.

i dunno how youre gonna fit 25 gallons of water in a tire, i mean, thats half a 50 gallon drum, have you seen a 50 gallo drum?

andthe carrier for the spare wont hold 175 pounds of water at all.

just get sandbags, thats pretty much the generally accepted solution, or just deal wiith it, i throw a couple sheets of plywood in my bed with my canopy on and im good to go
Nov 27 2011 12:15PM
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Inbred_Redneck
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DO NOT LISTEN TO A FUCKING THING THIS KID SAYS


Filling your tire with water and then having it freeze is wasting a $90+ dollar tire. You might as well grab a $100 bill and burn it if you want that kind of satisfaction.

Sack up and get tractor weights or sandbags, theres a reason why everybody uses them. Dont make this hard on yourself.
Nov 27 2011 12:22PM
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