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For you America haters

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Curb.
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please give the reasons why? because we've stopped 2 of the worlds most wanted terroists, shut down corrupt governments that could harm the rest of the world, we are keeping n.korea from throwing an apocalyptic shitstorm on the rest of the world , so please do tell? yeah we may have fucked up rules but they keep us safe. we may be cocky but how in the first Gen from Canada so i could go either way but no, america is a huge part of the foundation to this world, im not saying were the best im sayin that people realize all we fucking try to do is help and when little girls step in and don't know half the shit there talking about. besides where would this world be without, light, "Electricity", battery, Coca-cola,Radio,McDonalds(The biggest company in the fucking world), the razor, oh and lets not forget your car...and you apple product fiends...Americans invented that shit too, plus im sure Thers a shit ton of more useful shit We have done that nobody takes for granted. yes i know ALOT of americans are thick headed fatfucks but not all of us are like that so quit your bitching. please.........^^^HAM...oh and rap so hop off.
Nov 24 2011 8:27PM
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.Ian.
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How hard would it be for me to move from America to Europe? I'm thinking France, Greece or Italy. I mean, really I'd do whatever it takes, I just want to get out of here.
Nov 26 2011 9:39AM
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vauban08
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Hm, depends on your language skills and profession. While most European countries have high unemployment rates atm, Germany is searching DESPERATELY for qualified people - engineers and IT specialists for example. I'm not joking - business opportunities there at the moment are n1. English level of most Germans is quite decent, too.
Nov 26 2011 11:05AM
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Caspaaa
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it wouldn't have taken long for others to discover electricity, and besides, the U.S. didn't discover electricity, one person did (it can be argued who). in fact, greek philosophers knew about electricity and were doing research on it hundreds of years before franklin or edison ever thought about it. personally i love coke and mcdonalds but both of those have only caused health problems. yeah the food/drink is good, but it's not good for you. big deal mcdonalds is the biggest company in the world (not sure if that's true but i wouldn't doubt it), it's most certainly not the most important. let me put it this way, you're bragging about how we own the biggest company in the world right? well then why are we still in billions of dollars of debt? theres another thing, all us americans do is use. we make practically none of the things we use on a daily basis. everything is either made in china, taiwan or another country. the razor would have been invented easily without the U.S., as would lots of "U.S. inventions". we invented cars, cool, who continues to sell the most luxurious, the safest, and the best looking cars in the world? other countries. my point is, no kidding the U.S. has done a lot for the world, but the cons outweight the pros in our case. the debt we are in coupled with the environmental damage we do piss a lot of people off.
Nov 26 2011 11:23AM
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selkirks
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Maybe because only people in the United States would make a thread like this. The huge level of jingoism that is upheld by many Americans is disgusting and doesn't befit the accomplishments and high stature of the nation which it represents.
Nov 26 2011 12:14PM
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MANDER
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Who's going to shut down your corrupt government then?
Nov 26 2011 12:22PM
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californiagrown
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no one, cause we tha best...and we dont commit human rights violations on our own people left, right, and center.


I think america does a pretty damn good job of governing itself and interacting with the rest of the world given the range of citizens we have, and the amount of bullshit going on in the world at large today.

I dont see anyone else doing better. Being more passive, and generally not giving a fuck about the condition of the rest of the world sure, but not doing better.
Nov 26 2011 12:34PM
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treemobbin
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america > every other country
Nov 26 2011 2:05PM
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Skavengers303
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truth!!!

I am pretty sure ghosts were involved as well.

Nov 26 2011 3:10PM
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El_Barto.
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good, get the fuck out. we dont want people like you in the US. go hang out with the french, a bunch of cheese eating surrender monkeys
Nov 26 2011 3:20PM
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Anathema
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LOL
Nov 26 2011 4:10PM
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-emile-
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lol wut ?
Nov 26 2011 4:17PM
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304NordMan
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Why do fucking idiots keep making these threads? What a joke.

Nov 26 2011 4:21PM
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fujarome
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france has been fighting and winning wars since before anyone who's descendants would travel to America were even born.


The French respect and are thankful to the US for what they've done for them.

But at the same time think "oh that's cute, you've existed a little over 200 years. We've fought individuals war that have lasted as long as that."
Nov 26 2011 4:38PM
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CassiusClay
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Its true though, there's a reason you must be 18 to vote. Other people influence you heavily during your younger years and realistically you have no experience with anything you'd be voting on. Do you honestly believe there is any other reason why you cannot vote?
Nov 26 2011 4:47PM
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El_Barto.
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thats an irrelevant point. france should be thankful. fighting for 200 years is nothing to brag about, everyone knows its better to end war as quickly as possible.

NEXT
Nov 26 2011 4:55PM
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Charlie_Kelly
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Just so people stop making this stupid point, EVERY SINGLE GOVERNMENT IN THE WORLD IS CORRUPT. SURE AMERICAS IS, BUT SO IS CANADA'S, GERMANY'S, FRANCES, RUSSIA'S, AND ANY OTHER COUNTRY THAT HAS ANY SORT OF GOVERNMENT. SO STOP MAKING A POINT THAT APPLIES TO EVERYONE.
Nov 26 2011 4:57PM
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corona
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this is still going? There's nothing that could possibly be said in this thread that would change anyones opinion.
Nov 26 2011 5:01PM
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fujarome
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false.

It's better to win a war, regardless of how long it takes.


Interesting that you call the french the surrender monkeys, and yet you seem to be the one who is afraid of war.
Nov 26 2011 5:06PM
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Stickity
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this thread is why we can't have nice things
Nov 26 2011 5:08PM
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El_Barto.
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i never said the point wasn't to win, only to win in a timely matter.

why am i afraid of war? because i want to end it quickly to minimize casualties on my side?

your right though, good point
Nov 26 2011 5:10PM
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DaysToCome
Posts: 1601 - Karma: 86
yeah our government and a good portions of our country is a shit show... dont let that give you a bad impression about all of us
Nov 26 2011 5:14PM
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TheClap.
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lol F America
Nov 26 2011 5:25PM
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.Ian.
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I can tell you right now, the french would probably be a lot nicer to me than you are being right now...
Nov 26 2011 5:34PM
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ContaminatedBeef
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Except for congress. Bunch of useless old money grubbing fucks (mostly). We need to enact a limit on the number of terms our congressmen are permitted to serve.
Nov 26 2011 5:41PM
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DUKES
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im all for the support of America, but no one has clear and legitimate facts to back up their claims whether you are supporting or bashing. If you don't have a fucking clue, then don't fucking post. No one wins fights over the internet.
Nov 26 2011 7:03PM
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ryan.c
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i dont think its as much America, as it is Americans in general
Nov 26 2011 7:37PM
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las.
Posts: 1959 - Karma: 1,455
My uncle was party chief for an American seismological survey team in Libya back in '86 (he's a kiwi, for the record). His job was pretty much based around oil/geo strategy. One day, out of the blue, his entire team were thrown in jail. No one could figure out what was going on due to the lack of Arabic speakers in the crew. They eventually found out that most of the westerners in the country were being detained. Word soon spread that Americans had conducted a massive air raid (around 60 tons of munitions were dropped) on Tripoli, killing a mixture of military personnel, innocent civilians, and Gaddafis adopted daughter (a total of 60 fatalities). (Kind of irrelevant, but the Americans also conducted this attack from UK airspace. As you can imagine the British were not pleased with the Americans using their airports as their own personal military base(s)).

So what provoked this? About 10 days prior to the attack on Tripoli (only took 10 fucking days to retaliate, someone was keen), a bomb had been detonated in a Berlin nightclub, killing 3 people, 2 of them being American soldiers. At the time it was uncertain who the attack was from. Speculation and word of mouth said the bomb had been sneaked into the nightclub via a Libyan diplomatic bag. This was never proven. Now how could America not grab at this chance for 'retribution'. "Hey Libya, we don't actually know you did it, but we think you did, so we are going to bomb the fuck out of you anyway, and then we are going to play the world police card* like we always do and put more troops in your country to make it look like we are making sure you don't do it again, when in reality we are just going to steal more of your oil" *(They've been playing that role in Libya for around 40 years). Side note: Musbah Eter (who was a Libyan embassy worker in Berlin and a spy) was arrested along with 4 other Libyans in '96, and were put on trial a year later. Eter was convicted of murder about 5 years later.

Thank fucking god NATO aren't a bunch of butthurt rednecks, otherwise this recent bullshit could have been a lot messier. For once America had to play the assisting role, which actually worked out reasonably well (take notes).

But yes, im pretty aware of what's been going on there, then and now. What are you getting at?
Nov 26 2011 7:45PM
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RobMatczak
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How about ELE?!
Nov 26 2011 7:46PM
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las.
Posts: 1959 - Karma: 1,455
Dammit, i was supposed to quote you.
Nov 26 2011 7:46PM
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las.
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Wait...so i first need to visit the US if i want to know anything about them? Are you serious? By the way, what im saying is not directed at individuals, instead at America as a whole. I cant believe i need to explain that...

Completely irrelevant and unimportant, but yes i have been there.
Nov 26 2011 7:52PM
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feihlination
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualties_in_the_War_in_Afghanistan_(2001%E2%80%93present)

its the same shit.

the lowest estimate is above 30000 CIVILIAN casualties in afghanistan. the highest estimate (which according to the article is still a little low) is over 70000.

idk how you can justify that.
Nov 26 2011 7:53PM
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las.
Posts: 1959 - Karma: 1,455
Well that's a given. Power will be abused wherever it is given. Nothing on the scale of the US though.

Another thing America. Stop acting like you're oh so powerful. You're the superpower of yesterday, and surprisingly you're the ones who somehow haven't realized that yet. Your hard guy act is starting to mean less and less.
Nov 26 2011 7:57PM
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las.
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I'm not?
Nov 26 2011 7:59PM
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dbstar
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well, obviously you don't know what it is. The Nazi's did commit genocide, so did the Serbs in Bosnia. The term genocide refers to a specific mode of extermination, through a systematic plan to exterminate a "nation", Nazi's wanted to be rid of Jews, and other race's, in order to pursue their desire for perfection they believed was found in the "Aryan" race. Serbs found that the only way to create a pure Serbian state would be to exterminate and violently displace the native Muslim population, due to how ethnically mixed the three major nations were within Bosnia. These are cases of genocide. Nothing that the Americans did with reference to Japan and the nuclear bomb invokes this term.
Nov 26 2011 9:07PM
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feihlination
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i know, i was just bringing up a more famous case of american revenge.
Nov 27 2011 7:29AM
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feihlination
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide


i know its wiki and youre probably gonna say that its not a credible source and stuff.

you are right in a way, your definition is the classical, "generally accepted" definition of genocide and its famous examples.

'Genocide is defined as "the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group"

tell me where instantly eliminating some hundreds of thousands japanese on two seperate occasions does not fall under this very broad definition?


i know what your point is and i had history classes too, good job. i am just saying that genocide is a very broad term and if the nazis did commit it, americans would have a different look at it. i like how a lot of people up there agree how unnecessary those bombings were and how others still believe the blabalblabla-story of how many lives were saved.

it came off a little derogatory when you said that i am from austria. we lost the war and really, nothing better could have happened for the world. but because of that, we had to clean up all this mess and start over again. people got arrested because of their connection to war crimes. the "winner states" didnt have to make that trials. which makes me sick. when you shoot 50 civilians just for the fun of it, you should be put to trial, no matter what country you fought for. (just an example to illustrate my point)
Nov 27 2011 7:45AM
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las.
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oh ok, my bad
Nov 27 2011 8:13AM
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Bateman
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and how many wars did yer president start?
Nov 27 2011 9:12AM
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shocker611
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talk to any military expert in the entire world and they will confirm the fact that the US has the best military in the world, for better or for worse..Also, the US isnt really tapping into foreign oil reserves at all like the international media likes to paint it.
Nov 27 2011 1:03PM
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fujarome
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and God only knows the libyans are the most innocent, carefree people on Earth who just want peace.


...oh wait


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_Am_Flight_103


Now it's been released that Gaddafi personally ordered a plane carrying 270 civilians be blown up. That in itself makes me smile at the fact that he didn't receive a trial or an easy quick death. Call me fucked up if you please, but imagine someone close to you sitting in airliner that blows up, and falling 31,000ft before dying.


And yes, i know americans have killed civilians...but there's a difference between civilians being killed in war, and a passenger jet being blown up.
Nov 27 2011 2:27PM
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Zimmerman
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it's also the most unnecessary military in the world.
Nov 27 2011 4:26PM
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las.
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Never said they were. Comparing how fucked up each side is wasn't really the gist of my post.
Nov 27 2011 7:18PM
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Anathema
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how about negligence, because thats really all the civ deaths in libya were based on. oops wrong target, sorry i killed that random family. oh well it's war. rawwww im american. you're all bad guys anyways, who cares.

Nov 27 2011 7:36PM
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las.
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>Implying a countries power is judged purely on its military might. Still debatable even if this was the case.

And orly? I would beg to differ, in fact i would say its the complete opposite of what you're saying. All power to you if you can prove me wrong though.
Nov 27 2011 7:37PM
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shocker611
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http://www.globalfirepower.com/
Nov 27 2011 9:38PM
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las.
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Just realized i hadn't replied to this. I understand what i wrote was pretty muddled, and somewhat wrong - im blaming sleep deprivation. To your points:

1. Capitalism is the ultimate expression of survival of the fittest. If the rotten elements at the core of a rotten system collapse then they should not be rescued by taxpayer money.

2. a) You have made a spurious connection between growing an economy and not being able to grow gold, which leads me on to...b) Economies do not have to grow to be healthy. The focus on continual growth distorts the economic cycle and unnecessarily depletes the worlds resources. This may not matter to you right here right now, but it will most certainly matter to our children and grandchildren. To your rejection of the gold standard, you think it's preferable to base our economies on virtual money?

3. Just because Americas debt ratio isn't the worst in the world, doesn't mean it's not worth worrying over.

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- Foreign debt is worse, yes. Any form of debt is still bad though. 2/3 is pretty accurate.

- Around 8%. On the scale we are dealing with though, that is still an immense figure.

- China is still 'cool' with investing in the US because it is the best way of neutralizing a foreign/rival power. Fifth columnist anyone?

5. You refer to the economists in charge of your economy; if you can cite two columnists who agree on exactly how to deal with the problem then i might be more inclined to have the sort of faith in ideologically-driven economists that you clearly have.

6. I imagine that in 'wsg' you are referring to the Wall Street Journal. If you are, are you seriously suggesting that in order to come up with an objective view of world economics, i consult two American media outlets not exactly noted for their impartiality?
Nov 28 2011 2:35AM
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doobiebrotha
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damn this is quite amazing.

http://www.globalfirepower.com/country-military-strength-detail.asp?country_id=United-States-of-America


oh and, 75 submarines! DON'T FUCK WITH US! haha
Nov 28 2011 2:46AM
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squibble
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that site is a maazing
Nov 28 2011 2:51AM
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las.
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Some interesting stuff in there. In my opinion though, it is still impossible to judge who has the 'best' military based on mere numbers. Of course im not saying Qatar or any other country with a military of that caliber would have a chance in hell against the US, Russia, China etc...im just saying it comes down to a lot more than amount of military personnel and the cash backing them. If you're after the title of the biggest military, the numbers are unarguable. Strength/power wise = impossible to tell. Also, those figures don't take nuclear weapons into consideration, which could be a pretty defining factor.
Nov 28 2011 3:03AM
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EastCoast315
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ahahaha this thread...

6/10 trollin
Nov 28 2011 10:36AM
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