Well, I finally got a chance to try out some skis at lovelands demo day (did anyone else go to that, 40 dollars for a lift ticket, an 11 dollar lunch, all the skis you want, and a beer!) and I really liked the Hell and Back. The only problem is it is November so I couldn't test the versatility of the skis. Does anyone know how these handle in other terrain such as cliffs, high speed big mountain, moguls...