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MFD Alltime or Alpine Trekkers

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ski_ENDUB
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I CAN'T MAKE UP MY MIND.
I'll be spending this season living in Alta and skiing Alta/Snowbird and the surrounding area and I'm trying to decide what to do. I don't know how much skinning I'm going to be doing but I do want the option for sidecountry and what not. These are going to be going on my Rocker2's which I'm going to be mounting at true center anyways. Basically I'm trying to decide between getting the MFD alltime plates or a set of alpine trekkers. Hoping to find some decent suggestions here
Nov 13 2011 7:23PM
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Sklar
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if i were in your situation id go trekkers

as much as they can suck sometimes, i wouldnt want to commit to mounting mfd's unless i was sure i would be using them often
Nov 13 2011 7:28PM
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Sklar
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the trekkers that is
Nov 13 2011 7:29PM
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bigbromskier
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Just picked up some Alltimes. Basically, you get what you pay for. My roommate's trekkers broke on him, much like I've heard so many times. He picked up some Markers for this year.

I got some FKS's from a friend and put them on the Alltimes and they are beeeeaaastly. I haven't ridden them yet, but they feel so solid and I've heard nothing but good things about them. The dude at the shop's been riding them since last spring and he says he likes them more than his Dukes. They feel heavy, but it's so minimal it doesn't matter, and if you're mounting center then it won't mess with rideability.

They're more expensive, but if you have bindings that'll work with them, get the Alltimes. So much better in the long run. If you're gonna be up in Little Cottonwood you're gonna want something solid cause if you've got the time, you're definitely gonna wanna be getting out in the bc a bunch!

With that said, I've seen some people who love their trekkers, but I decided to drop the extra cash for something that (as of now) seems to be of much much higher quality and save some headaches down the road.

Hope that helped ya out.
Nov 13 2011 7:31PM
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ski_ENDUB
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yea, I feel like if i get into some sidecountry I don't want to have to have a pack on with my trekkers with me all the time. and I do really like the simplicity, and ease of use with the MFD. I'm not terribly worried about weight either, if I was serious about and AT setup I would get a dedicated pair of skis for that. My real concern is that the rocker2's are going to be resort/everyday skis for me. really wish that the guardians could be available now.
Nov 13 2011 10:06PM
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djty111
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I would stay away from the Alpine Day Wreckers. I have seen a good amount break. One actualy  la3 days ago at Alta.  
Nov 13 2011 11:04PM
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djty111
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*only 3 days ago at Alta.
Nov 13 2011 11:04PM
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SFBv420.0
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hmmm giant dueche or turd sandwhich?

go with the sandwhich

Nov 14 2011 1:13AM
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SethLangbauer
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if you wont be hiking that much go with the trekkers. if more than like 10 days in the season or for longer than a 6 hr period you should upgrade. I have trekkers and they ripped out my toepeice, but that was the conditions i was hiking in. wayyy too much for those junkers. make sure they fit your bindings well too, i had to modify mine


Nov 14 2011 1:28AM
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huge-go
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If you aren't retarded, then your trekkers shouldn't break. Just have to be careful when you're sliding downhill with them. Have done a lot of touring on mine and had no durability issues. That said, they do suck, super annoying taking them in and out of the bindings, and torsional stiffness is basically nonexistent, but if all you're doing is side country, and not actual touring straight from your car, I'd say just get trekkers.
Nov 14 2011 1:37AM
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SFBv420.0
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could you define a lot?

Seen A LOT of busted wreckers, and I tour ~ 80-100 a season, is your  "a lot" similiar? or is my bullshit meter need calibration??

retards run treckers

 if it uses retard gear....

if it posts like a...

Nov 14 2011 7:41AM
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huge-go
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k, not 80 days, so you got me there, but enough. Just realize the limitations of them. If you actually end up doing a long tour, be careful. People don't usually wear them out or something, they break them by falling forward and snapping them. If you tour as much as you do, then yeah, you have comfortably crossed over the line between trekkers and a full time AT setup, and then trekkers are a pain in the ass. But for this kid who's not sure whether the skis will be his dedicated resort setup or not? Might as well have an alpine setup he can beat on, and take out of bounds whenever he wants. Trekkers will be fine.
Nov 15 2011 3:38AM
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-ShredTheGnar-
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If you're going into the sidecountry you're going to have avy gear in your pack anyway, so the weight of the trekkers in there is not even worth thinking about..

If you go in the sidecountry without a pack/avy gear, then you sir are on a deathwish.
Nov 15 2011 3:56AM
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snomaster
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OP, do you already have solid binders? If the answer is no, buy dukes and be done. they sell on TGR gear swap all the time for ~$200USD. The MFD costs $300 alone, plus the cost of your binders, and they add weight.

another thing you might consider is getting threaded inserts to swap between binding setups on the same ski. www.bindingfreedom.com has the skinny on that. AT options are growing lots. Lars of Green Mountain Freeride is developing something really interesting which allows you to have a dynafit type toe for the uphill only, then swap the toe piece for your original alpine setup for the down. that's still in development though...
Nov 15 2011 7:50AM
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ski_ENDUB
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excellent point. And to the guy who asked if i already have bindings, yes I do already have a pair of STH 16's that I plan on putting on my skis. Although I've thought about the dukes. I really wish that the guardians would be available now.
Nov 15 2011 2:46PM
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[~_~]
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Trekkers are a pain in the ass. Save your money.

If you don't have bindings yet, Dukes would be a cheaper option. But dukes are heavy as hell and make you feel like you're skiing on platform shoes. And the durability is so bad they may as well be 12-din bindings because the plastic snaps before the higher-din setting can even take place.

MFDs are the best option aside from Dynafit/Plums. They are nowhere near as heavy as Dukes (don't know why people say that), have tons of torsional stiffness, and are a breeze to use. The only downside I can see is that they would interfere with the flex of the ski underfoot, but then again I like my skis to be stiff as a rock underfoot anyway, so I count that as a benefit.
Nov 15 2011 4:44PM
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MrLarsen
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Not nearly as heavy as dukes?

Dukes are listed at 2630g (L) pr. pair

MFDs are listed at 600g pr. side, or 1200g in total.
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STH 16 listed a 2322g pr. par

2322g + 1200g = 3522g Which is 892g heavier than dukes..

Don't know how much the stand height the MFDs add, but I guess it totals up to less than the 36mm of the duke, so that's a plus. But the I don't really feel like stand height is that big of an issue, considering racers use plates under the bindings..
Nov 15 2011 5:14PM
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[~_~]
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I've never used MFDs with STH 16s, so I can't really say what that's like...

But the stand height of the Dukes always bugged the hell out of me, along with me second-guessing whether or not my bindings were going to shatter every time I dropped at 10 ft cliff. My race-stock GS skis feel great with risers, but in powder it just doesn't feel right. Horrible actually. My first day on Dukes I immediately regretted buying them. Overall it just feels like it's too much material under my feet. If you're part of the "less is more" philosophy, you'll favor the MFDs if the budget doesn't allow for Dynafits.
Nov 15 2011 5:22PM
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MrLarsen
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I'm a big fan of dukes either, I was mearly pointing out that a 1200g adding is a lot. I'm hoping the new Salomon/Atomic will be nice.

http://www.salomonfreeski.com/us/minisites/guardian/
Nov 15 2011 6:09PM
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-ShredTheGnar-
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I just slapped some STH 16s on my new set up this year. Which i'll be rocking with trekkers.

Nov 16 2011 7:09AM
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