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Michigan Republicans Pass Law Allowing Christians to Bully Gay Students

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Snowcase
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Yay for bullying being legal.............



But in a stinging floor speech, Senator Gretchen Whitmer expressed her dissatisfaction with the new law, which is said to create a special exception for bullies who have "a sincerely held religious belief or moral conviction," as well as neglecting to protect to bullying against students based on sexual orientation or gender identity,

Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/03/gretchen-whitmer-michigan-senator-bullying-bill_n_1073928.html
Nov 4 2011 8:28AM
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kris.....
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WOW
Nov 4 2011 8:39AM
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Oldmann1584
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some people really just need to be taken out back and shot by a firing squad
Nov 4 2011 8:56AM
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Oldmann1584
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dp, but at least someone stands up for them
Nov 4 2011 9:00AM
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HolySchimmel
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I dont wanna insult anyone here, but this is once more confirming typical american stereotypes :-(
Nov 4 2011 9:00AM
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MikeWalsh
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At first i was disgusted... by the end i realised this is just fucking sad.
Nov 4 2011 9:03AM
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Mr.Turtle
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This is so backwards
Nov 4 2011 9:05AM
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Milksteak
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAA
Nov 4 2011 9:36AM
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feihlination
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weird when you think about it. i am a complete fan of the US. i play motherfucking football which needs big dedication in europe, i watch the NFL and through that i sometimes watch more american ads than german ones, but stuff like that just turns you to the opposite.

americans really need to ditch their "official" connection to christianity.

no hate again, i bet its not even that noticable in most states but stories like this do nothing to destroy that image.
Nov 4 2011 10:08AM
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Petey.
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looool
Nov 4 2011 10:12AM
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ohmythugaim
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lolamerica
Nov 4 2011 10:22AM
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Bi-ShredinalGuy
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fucking christians and their fucking ways. fuck
Nov 4 2011 10:27AM
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Charlie_Kelly
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I'm American and not Christian...I guess I'm just part of the 16% that feels like the bible is just a stupid fairy tale...


But this pisses me off. I get mad at my own country when people put religion over everything else...
Nov 4 2011 10:30AM
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Ski_the_east01
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I love this country wholeheartedly, but this is completely shameful and embarassing

and like the other kid said it does nothing but portray Americans as ignorant redneck idiots when really stuff like this isn't nearly as popular as foreigners are led to believe..its just a few stories here and there from these dumbasses that make all of us look bad
Nov 4 2011 10:33AM
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Childstar.
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I lost.

Nov 4 2011 10:39AM
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feihlination
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right, as i said, i guessed its not that big of a problem, but really, thats how stereotypes work.
Nov 4 2011 10:45AM
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PhaedeD
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this lady is a little confused!
Nov 4 2011 11:04AM
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TijmenDal
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Holy shit. 84% of Americans are religious (of which probably 80%+ are Christians). No wonder America is going to shit.
Nov 4 2011 11:12AM
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Mr.O
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Because a faith belief is the real cause of our troubles....
Nov 4 2011 11:17AM
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feihlination
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it has nothing to with faith. do not twist his words.
Nov 4 2011 11:25AM
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Huck_Norris
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I'm as American as the day is long, and I'd just like to go on record as saying this is fucked up, disgusting and any Michinganeer not enraged by this blatant breach of basic human rights should be ashamed of themselves.  Gays are entitled to be gay every bit as much as you are entitled to be straight, get the fuck over yourselves you self-riteous pieces of shit. (People who wanted this bill, not NSers obviously)  

To NSers from the rest of the world, DO NOT accept this as a widely held stance in the US.  Unfortunately there are a few crazies that other crazies elected that sneak stupid religious shit in whenever they get a chance and it makes us all look like inbred assholes.  Trust me, this is not even remotely ok and won't last long now that public outrage is building. 

Nov 4 2011 11:25AM
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cobra_commander
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First off the bill is NOT Law, it has just been approved by the senate.
I suppose actually reading the bill to find out what it states would be unreasonable? Or making a title that was not misleading?

Michigan previously did not require Schools to have a policy on bullying. The new law requires schools to adopt an anti-bullying policy. It also leaves room for the anti-bullying policies to allow students to express their religious beliefs. Something which is protected by the United States Constitution.
Nov 4 2011 11:26AM
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feihlination
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it was clear that this would be a "downplaying" post the second i read cobra_commander
Nov 4 2011 11:28AM
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aflightlessbird
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i wonder what Jesus would have to say about all this...
Nov 4 2011 11:28AM
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Mr.O
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Oh I'm sorry I'm sorry. Religion, religion is the source of all the troubles in the United States.
Nov 4 2011 11:28AM
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Orrin
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That's a truly horrendous law to pass..
Nov 4 2011 11:29AM
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aflightlessbird
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in the interest of fair play there should be a law allowing gays to bully christians.

Do unto others, right?

Nov 4 2011 11:31AM
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Abu_Hajaar
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Fuck society honestly. people like this should be hung It's like those westbouro baptist church people that protest dead soldiers funerals........FUCKING STUPID
Nov 4 2011 11:31AM
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Mr.O
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Its only fair.
Nov 4 2011 11:33AM
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feihlination
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classic argument.

"there are more important things blablabla"


privately, religion has no problem, but for example, a president still swearing on the bible is just not good in the 21th century.

inb4 someone says "the US are a christian nation". i wonder if you like "islamic nations" too. no wait, you suddenly despise that system and the missing seperation between church and state
Nov 4 2011 11:41AM
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Cufe.
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Nov 4 2011 11:45AM
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Mr.O
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Everything your saying is right, and I hope it didn't come off as arguing with you because I agree with you. I am just kinda of making a poor attempt at joke about blaming national problems on religion.
Nov 4 2011 11:45AM
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feihlination
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of course. its dumb how people always have that ONE thing that completely drives the country out of control.

depending on threads its one of these

-immigrants
-religion
-atheists
-gays
-immigrants
-politicians
-evil corporations
-immigrants
-wall street
-"occupy wall street"-movement
-obama
Nov 4 2011 11:47AM
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cobra_commander
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I am just trying to get it back from fiction towards fact. The thread creator, Senator Whitmer and the Huffington Post Gay Voices, have attempted to make this something it is not.

Here is the actual bill:
http://www.legislature.mi.gov/documents/2011-2012/billengrossed/Senate/htm/2011-SEBS-0137.htm

Here is the section that has Senator Whitmer up in arms. It appears she has a problem with public schools and the State of Michigan, abiding by the U.S. Constitution.

"(8) THIS SECTION DOES NOT ABRIDGE THE RIGHTS UNDER THE FIRST

AMENDMENT OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OR UNDER ARTICLE

I OF THE STATE CONSTITUTION OF 1963 OF A SCHOOL EMPLOYEE, SCHOOL

VOLUNTEER, PUPIL, OR A PUPIL'S PARENT OR GUARDIAN. THIS SECTION

DOES NOT PROHIBIT A STATEMENT OF A SINCERELY HELD RELIGIOUS BELIEF

OR MORAL CONVICTION OF A SCHOOL EMPLOYEE, SCHOOL VOLUNTEER, PUPIL,

OR A PUPIL'S PARENT OR GUARDIAN."

A public school, as a part of the state government, is required to abide by both the State and Federal Constitution. This includes allowing students to express their faith.
Nov 4 2011 11:48AM
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the.cheat
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things like this make me hate my country. i don't want to hate my country.
Nov 4 2011 11:48AM
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LoveInSnow
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things like this make me hate my state.
Nov 4 2011 12:02PM
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midwestpowhunter
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I am offended! But hey at least now u can call a kid a fatass and just say my religion says gluttony is a sin so I can follow that fat roll all around the school singing fatty fatty go eat a chicken patty
Nov 4 2011 12:12PM
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GayWolf420
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Hahahaahahah michigan. So glad I don't live in that fucked up state anymore. It's ran by crooks.
Nov 4 2011 12:16PM
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.AR6rider.
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Gotta love the big ol' mitten.
Nov 4 2011 12:19PM
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J.D.
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K so the title of this thread is misleading, you're right. Your post that states "okay so she's against the constitution" is equally misleading.

Essentially the problem with this law is that it requires that all schools maintain a specific policy which is required to allow bullying so long as it is expressed on religious grounds. Given that license to express religious views is constitutionalized, that was wholly unnecessary, and in effect all it does is provide a blueprint for abuse.

Nov 4 2011 12:21PM
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GayWolf420
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Also, This bill proves 100% religion is abso-fucking-lutely stupid.
Nov 4 2011 12:22PM
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J.D.
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FYI, you also can't pass a law in Michigan that says "It's not okay to burn a cross on a black dude's lawn", so there's that.

The underlying issue is that your constitution sucks.

Nov 4 2011 12:26PM
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EastCoast315
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DING DING DING
that video just made me sad. When she said it was called "matt's law" I lost it. What a stinging bite to his family and his legacy as a casualty of hatred.
Nov 4 2011 12:30PM
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wasatch_rat
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when you're in public school you have almost no rights. least of all the freedom of speech
Nov 4 2011 12:33PM
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why
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AHAAHAHAHHAH!
Nov 4 2011 12:36PM
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derbski
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You have it double spaced and you still cant read between the lines
Nov 4 2011 12:37PM
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RubberSoul
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i seriously dont even know why i read your posts. youve gotta be the only person around who would go out of his way to defend something like this
Nov 4 2011 1:37PM
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cobra_commander
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It's imperfect, and can be a real bitch. It is also the best one out there, and I love it to death.
Nov 4 2011 1:41PM
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pmw
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The discussion in here is pathetic
Nov 4 2011 1:44PM
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no_steeze
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it's not detailed enough to account for everything, which was the intention when it was created, but people interpret things in such radically different ways that a loose constitution is always bound to have tons of problems. it's impressive it's held up this well
Nov 4 2011 1:45PM
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J.D.
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Christ, not even close. The thing is awful.

Arguably the U.K.'s implied constitution is the best one out there, but I will say this; Canada's constitution is kind of fucked, largely because it's basically two distinct constitutions separated by roughly 100 years mashed together, but it's still a hell of a lot better than the US's.

Nov 4 2011 1:46PM
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