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Footy from Occupy Wall Street

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General_Shredgnar
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Fellow brothers and sisters,

I'm a veteran here by todays bustling newschoolers standards, and so maybe my interest in social and political issues is a little dated on newschoolers these days, but lemme tell ya youngin's, this place was a bomb drop of a location for political discourse at one point. Gun control, regulation of sex workers, you named it this place had it. Anyways, for those of you interested in some current events, I decided to drive to NYC and investigate a little bit about the occupy movement.

I put out a short flick on the global day of solidarity march for the occupy movement two weekends ago. Check it out. It's pretty rough cut so I understand any and all editing comments, but critiques are of course welcome. There's going to be more material released, so if it strikes your fancy, I'll be putting out several more videos from my experiences there and you can subscribe to Developing Pictures (DP lol). Share it with your friends! Do a fellow skier a good one.


In the name of jah,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvlnSNFq1wE




Nov 1 2011 3:42PM
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theabortionator
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I hope they succeed.


WE NEED CHANGE




#OCCCUPY
Nov 1 2011 4:00PM
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easy.steezy
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"Capitalism is killing Democracy!"  "1% of US have human rights, 99% of us don't!"

Two quotes written on the wall in the last clip of this video. Fucking idiots, get learned.  YOUR RIGHT to free speech is what's allowing you to protest and write on that wall.  This whole "We are the 99%" is starting to piss me off.  Yes, you may have a lower income and yes, some of you may have been extremely fucked over by the greed of richer people.  But every college student in that protest saying "pay my tuition, it's too expensive," should shut the fuck up and spend their time studying, not walking around NYC complaining about something that's not going to happen for them.  To the people protesting because they understand what they're talking about, I respect you, you have balls.  But to all the "followers" who just say the government screwed you over with absolutely no understanding of anything, and speak out against capitalism like it's a sin, you are un-American.
Nov 1 2011 4:25PM
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theabortionator
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im down
Nov 1 2011 4:28PM
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General_Shredgnar
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haha thanks for the imbed. Down with discourse as it comes no doubt
Nov 1 2011 7:44PM
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Bodhisattva_
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I love you.
Nov 1 2011 7:46PM
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ski_ENDUB
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"wisdom from movement leaders" that' Sure, except in everything that I have seen with this occupy bullshit has not been a shred of wisdom
Nov 1 2011 7:52PM
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General_Shredgnar
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I agree man, there's a significant portion of people who don't really know why they're there. But 1., they serve an instrumental purpose of presence to a cause that survives off numbers, and 2., they underline the pressing problems the movement is trying to fight in the first place, like inadequate education, a society that develops existential suffering due to insufficient opportunities to find sustainable meaning in one's life, etc. They function the same way, it seems, that the homeless populations do for a lot of the occupations, and what's cool, is that by spending time there, they get a radical and quick fire education in basic political and economic ideas that they're not getting otherwise, because University tuition is rediculously expensive and puts up a wall for many lower class kids, a wall they realize exists from early on, making them shoot for "whatever is available" instead of higher education.

2 cents
Nov 1 2011 7:52PM
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Poundtown
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occupywithabunchofidiots is what it should be called. do something productive fuck sakes.
Nov 1 2011 7:54PM
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D-40
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kettle corn?
Nov 1 2011 8:00PM
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steezeknees
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gonna start ANOTHER thread about this shit
Nov 1 2011 8:02PM
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CousinEddie
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Everyone is given an opportunity to achieve, some people CHOOSE not to.
Nov 1 2011 8:08PM
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bout_it
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Lazy bums campin out in the city. CAMPING IS FOR THE WOODS GUYS
Nov 1 2011 8:10PM
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sherwood4099
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Or the Free Ride Movement
Nov 1 2011 8:10PM
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General_Shredgnar
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If you think that's true you've never been to an inner city school. If you think that's true than your parents can afford your loan payments for college. If you think that's true you've never worked as a corporate stiff from the bottom up.
Nov 1 2011 8:30PM
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easy.steezy
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I do agree with some of your points here, and I completely understand that college is out of the question simply because of the price.  But people shouldn't be told at an early age that college is an impossible feat.  With a family that's struggling to make ends meet, for example, instead of having their kid drop out of high school early to get a minimum wage job to help pay for the bills, they should've pushed him/her at an early age to achieve.  America is getting lazy as fuck.  This country has the highest availability of "informational" jobs or whatever the hell they're called.  However, with the increasing tuition it's harder for some people to get the education needed for these jobs. The gap is widening, and this is part of the reason for the protests, I understand that.  But instead of working harder in school and meeting the higher demand, people are getting worse!  I can see it at an early age to be honest.  I'm only 16, but I have friends who just give up if they don't get an assignment right away, or if it requires too much work. 

The main thing that irked me and pushed me to post that post earlier was what I saw in that video.  Our human rights are upheld in this country, and I'm proud of it.  I seriously want to find the person who wrote that and punch them.  Your freedom of speech is what's letting you write on that wall, don't be a jackass and say your rights have been violated because you can't get a fucking job in this economy.   
Nov 1 2011 8:36PM
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BMskier
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the occupy movement in missoula has tents setup outside our statehouse... looks like they are there all the time... truth: they hired a security guard to watch their belongings during the night and everyone goes home at night to sleep in their comfy beds.

some dedicated people the occupy movement has..

Nov 1 2011 8:36PM
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SkiThe603
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threads
Nov 1 2011 8:37PM
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El_Barto.
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youre wrong, at least about the school payment. if you do well enough in primary school, secondary school will be free.

if youre from an inner city school, well, do well on your exams and homework. If they did that, secondary school would be awarded to them via grants or scholarships.

in all reality, it is much harder to be recognized from a big suburban school with lots of 3.5+ GPAs.

its a system, its how you play the game.
Nov 1 2011 8:38PM
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easy.steezy
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And this right here is an ignorant statement.  The education is there for every single kid in America.  Yes, it's very hard to take full advantage of that in many cases, but it's not impossible.  Relating to my previous post, many people have lost the value of hard work.  If you work hard enough, no matter where you start off, you can literally do anything. 
Nov 1 2011 8:39PM
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1337
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grabbing a seat here, don't mind me
Nov 1 2011 8:40PM
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soulskier
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mind if i join you? i have a friend that works here that can get us 1/2 off on all candy and free popcorn.
Nov 1 2011 8:44PM
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Dobies.
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this will all stop once the snow comes, none of those hipppies will wanna be outside
Nov 1 2011 8:48PM
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I_liketobutter
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WORD.
Nov 1 2011 9:07PM
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JIBpsy^^
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i am dropping off mt old sleeping bags at occupy Denver this weekend if i go down there.
Nov 1 2011 9:08PM
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BootySpunk.
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Fucking this.

Don't complain about your inadequate education when you paid 60k to major in the history of a rare bread of horse.
Nov 1 2011 9:21PM
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General_Shredgnar
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Everyone does in theory have the opportunity to hustle their way to the top, but it's really like having people start a race where one person begins at the starting line, one person begins fifty feet ahead of the starting line, and one person starts fifty feet behind the starting line. If they all have the same speed (work ethic, hustle mentality, opportunistic skills), the person put ahead will still be given a major advantage.

There are evident systematic forces that put some people behind and some people ahead. The real issue here, is that there is economic injustice; that is, the people who are ahead are conscious of the fact, and actively work to increase their advantage in the race.
Nov 1 2011 10:50PM
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Poundtown
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lifes not a race dumb dumb
Nov 1 2011 10:53PM
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H8CH
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So - Here is a question to stoke the fire -

Do you think it is no longer possible to start from the very bottom and work your way to the very top in America these days?

Nov 1 2011 11:01PM
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ilikefood
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For halloween my friend came to school in a tux, and it had a name tag on it tux that said "Hello, I am the 1%".

I lol'd.

Nov 1 2011 11:01PM
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Milksteak
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brb, going to go occupy my bathroom for a little while. In other words: My threads.
Nov 1 2011 11:03PM
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H8CH
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Exactly this - The amount of stupid shit on offer at universities these days is beyond me.... you don't need to go to university for that shit.

Do a core science or engineering degree and then see how hard it is to find a job - i've never had it so good as now.... but i guess I had to invest a good 5-10 years of VERY hard work to get here. I think there is also a terrible culture of entitlement in the world these days.

Oh and of course you have to be prepared to make sacrifices - like move to where the jobs are or good courses and/or opportunities are.... this may mean not being close to a ski hill for example - but trust me, it all pays off in the end.

That said - i don't agree with how much education costs in America...... and it is prohibitive - which is why you need to be smart about going to university.
Nov 1 2011 11:11PM
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easy.steezy
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Definitely.  It may have gotten harder, but as long as we're a democracy it will always be possible.
Nov 1 2011 11:12PM
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KZA
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Honestly, to all these people bitching about not finding work.

My girlfriend got a degree in Art History with a good gpa. Sure it is a shitty degree, not going to make you the big bucks. But she did an internship while working another job, she worked 7 days a week, 4 of them for free. But you know what? Then she got another better internship, and then a full time job. This didn't just happen, she applied to over 50 jobs before getting the internship and kept goin ham. On top of this, she graduated with 40,000+ in student loans. She should of gone instate but she didn't choose to. If she had it would have been cheaper, but she made the decision just as she did to go to school. These people need to realize that hard work and struggle is what gets you to the next step. I hear so many people bitching about not having a job and when I ask where they've applied to recently, they have nothing to say.

No disrespect to anyone out there, but goin' ham or or fail.
Nov 1 2011 11:32PM
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H8CH
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To get to the very very top - take's a lifetime of dedication - massive sacrifice, and great talent and business acumen. Nobody give's you that on a plate.... you invest you're whole life in to it - 20-30 years.... and they deserve it - I am not dedicated, talented, or motivated enough to achieve those kinds of corporate heights and never will be - along with 99% of the rest of people..... oh wait....

Nov 1 2011 11:44PM
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eheath
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I just realize that you're not trolling, you're just stupid.
Nov 1 2011 11:46PM
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a_pla5tic_bag
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you want to incite political nonsense on NS? talk about w33d.
Nov 1 2011 11:48PM
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easy.steezy
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True that.
Nov 2 2011 1:14AM
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dmc12380
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Get learned



Shorter condensed version of the first video down here

Nov 2 2011 1:36AM
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fujarome
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it is, but people live beyond their means far too frequently which ruins it.


People are now trying to live out the american dream without earning it. Instead of having nothing, working your ass off, and having what you want, people are starting with nothing, getting what they want...then don't want to do the work to earn it.
Nov 2 2011 1:41AM
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Big_Willy
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Get learned? I couldn't stomach watching the entire video but from what I saw Schiff was arguing with idiots under pressure. He was also arguing like a politician, deflecting questions and neglecting to explain or back up any of his statements. He was acting like a typical Republican/Libertarian. If you can't see through his charade than you are falling right into his trap like he's hoping most will do, congratulations! Take your ignorant bs elsewhere.
Nov 2 2011 3:11AM
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Aidan-G
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I hate the occupy thing. I think the people who are doing it are a bunch of fucktards
Nov 2 2011 3:14AM
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smooticus
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anyone noticed that when he asked what they were demanding she just changed the subject
Nov 2 2011 4:32AM
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General_Shredgnar
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It's difficult to form demands in a movement that is really a representative presence of multiple individual movements; civil rights, advocates for economic justice, environmentalists, etc. It takes more than a month of existence to create cohesive demands that represent all of these movements. It's easy enough to demand the end of certain practices, it's more difficult to demand specific solutions, the same lengthy process of ideational development has evolved over time in every other social movement. Environmentalists were against nuclear power before they were proponents of solar energy. Black activists were against inequitable treatment in the sixties, but demands were incredibly varied between developing a separatist state, violent revolution, and equal civil rights. It took a long time before the Southern Christian Leadership Conference and Martin Luther King came forth as the cohesive voice with cohesive demands for the movement.
Nov 2 2011 12:39PM
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hellomynameisjef
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maybe if they had a platform people would take them seriously...
Nov 2 2011 12:53PM
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H8CH
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What's their end game? To end capitalism in America?

Go live in France if you dont like it....
Nov 2 2011 12:57PM
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General_Shredgnar
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It's not about ending the system of capitalism, it's about ending the ability for some people to manipulate capitalism unjustly, while the government to take no proper course of action against these manipulative processes.

By the way, France has welfare capitalism, just like the US. Except since the 1980s, income inequality has increased in the US. It has not in France.

Nov 2 2011 5:32PM
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yellav
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on point. meritocracy in the united states is a joke. some people need a lesson on diversity and inequalities the oppressed face in this country.

economic disparity and the way corporations function are clearly fucked up in the united states, and something needs to be done about it soon. if you think otherwise you're a mindless zombie. didnt read much of the thread because im short on time, but how people are against the occupy movement blows my mind.
Nov 2 2011 8:02PM
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yellav
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6MDhGQX-y0


on october 7th... keep listening to right wing media though.
Nov 2 2011 8:44PM
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General_Shredgnar
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Dope.

Should be done with a part 2 on the religions of OWS by tomorrow
Nov 3 2011 11:27AM
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GayWolf420
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YEAH! Like, Fight the power man!
Nov 3 2011 11:41AM
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