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Jeff_Lo
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Just curious around here will be tuning in between Canon and RED.  And who has there checkbooks ready?

It's a big day!  I can't wait.
Oct 24 2011 1:49PM
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andstuff
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I really wouldn't mind being humbled.
Nov 3 2011 7:49PM
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eheath
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id be stoked if the dslr was like 2k and had some new features :)
Nov 3 2011 7:51PM
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[~_~]
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I don't?

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Nov 3 2011 7:51PM
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Jacuse
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yup
Nov 3 2011 7:52PM
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S.C
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I'd buy it in a heartbeat!
Nov 3 2011 7:53PM
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andstuff
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A 1Dx?
Nov 3 2011 7:54PM
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1337
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thats what i said originally on red user, but it has a C branding
Nov 3 2011 7:55PM
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eheath
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there is a huge red C on it....
Nov 3 2011 7:56PM
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[~_~]
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...Canon?
Nov 3 2011 7:57PM
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eheath
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yeah but the 1dx says "1d x" it doesn't have a huge red C on it
Nov 3 2011 7:57PM
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S.C
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cinema? the C100 has it too
Nov 3 2011 7:58PM
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1337
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c100?
Nov 3 2011 7:59PM
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[~_~]
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Jokes jokes

It says the camera outputs 4k...
Nov 3 2011 8:01PM
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S.C
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*C300
Nov 3 2011 8:04PM
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1337
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looking at the two charts that popped up, looks like 1080p, but maybe 4k?

8:06PM Now we're talking about the sensor inside the C300. It's a full 4k sensor, with 1920 x 1080 pixels for the red and blue colors, and 1920 x 2160 pixels for green.
Nov 3 2011 8:08PM
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eheath
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the way it samples the color is "4k"? but its 1080p... i dunno, i feel like they're saying its a 4k sensor just like any other s35 camera is a "4K" sensor? so confusing
Nov 3 2011 8:09PM
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andstuff
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"4K" is a buzzword. A selling point.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with 1080p, but saying its a 4k sensor outputting to 1080p makes me think there's going to be moiré issues unless they demonstrate otherwise.
Nov 3 2011 8:11PM
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1337
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8:11PM List price is $20,000 and we'll see these hit stores by the end of January 2012. Yes, 2012. As in this coming January. Worldwide
Nov 3 2011 8:12PM
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TWoods
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Yea, I understand that. I'm not talking RED specifically... but ARRI and other digital cinema. The reason I mention RED is because they are innovators in digital cinema... In my opinion being ahead of the curve is the best way to compete.

The way I see it - RED, ARRI, is all the high end digital stuff. It has a lot of wonderful features and produces a nice image. Besides that, they shoot really high resolutions, resolutions that will output well to film and will be relavant in film making for a while to come, even as TVs and broadcast move to higher resolutions.

The FS100, AF100, etc, are all great prosumer or indy cameras, because in reality what they offer is a wonderful image, reasonably features and output in a nice package at an attainable price.

So this camera comes along... it doesn't have resolutions that are future proof, it doesn't have any truly ground breaking features, etc. But it costs almost 3 times as much as other cameras in what I would see as a similar market, and for the price it's not really doing much different than the F3 which has been around for a year.

I know that resolution isn't everything - but coming from my background as a photographer and a print designer it doesn't make sense to me to just be OK with just what you need, a 1:1. For print design, which is commonly output at 300dpi, I design at 450. most people do this. It's ensuring that you'll have what you need should things get bigger.

Really, what I'm saying is that in the world today, when things (especially technology) change so damn fast, I don't know why Canon would build a camera that's so similar to other market offerings, especially when they are hyping it to be like it's going to be some sort of awesome hollywood camera.

We'll see what RED does.
Nov 3 2011 8:12PM
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Childstar.
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20k fuck that...
Nov 3 2011 8:15PM
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eheath
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could have completely different features since the list price isn't consistant with the specs given, which said 16.
Nov 3 2011 8:17PM
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1337
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you actually believe DVINFO? ha!
Nov 3 2011 8:18PM
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MANDER
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threeeads
Nov 3 2011 8:21PM
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S.C
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its over? where was that second body?
Nov 3 2011 8:22PM
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eheath
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Yes? its a very reliable canon source, about 4 yellow names (mods) on dvxuser were posting that.
Nov 3 2011 8:26PM
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MatRich
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agree with everything you just said, I felt realy dissapointed. I would have rather seen a competition to the af100 and the fs100. not supprised they didnt do it, they could have gone for a difined catagory, not some gray ass zone between markets
Nov 3 2011 8:27PM
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Jeff_Lo
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Who would spend 20 grand on that?  Oh well...1hr and a half til i'm broke.
Nov 3 2011 8:33PM
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1337
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I think they'll drop something in there to compete with it eventually. Although eventually seems a little too late...
Nov 3 2011 8:34PM
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Jeff_Lo
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RED is about to throttle the whole industry.
Nov 3 2011 8:34PM
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1337
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and I bet they just bumped up their prices just because canon failed so hard. If they didn't, which i doubt they won't, then they just KILLED canon in the video market.
Nov 3 2011 8:38PM
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Jeff_Lo
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Good point.  Canon seriously F'ed everybody.  I can't figure out the price, it's probably like the F3- sold for 16K, but actually retails for 14K.

I figure the 15/12K prices are probably correct. 
Nov 3 2011 8:39PM
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eheath
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press release about the dslr...

http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/03/canon-has-a-new-eos-movies-dslr-on-the-way-too/


24p 4k at motion-jpeg? doesn't sound that sick...
Nov 3 2011 8:44PM
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Jeff_Lo
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RED makes professional cameras.

DSMC means digital stills and motion camera. Stills need to be higher resolution than 3K. *So does motion. *

What seemed like a good idea 3 years ago is not a good idea now nor will it be a good idea going forward.

Additionally, a 2/3" sensor is not big enough.

The world has moved past small sensors and low resolution.

Jim
Nov 3 2011 8:47PM
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1337
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t minus 15 minutes
Nov 3 2011 8:47PM
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Jeff_Lo
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Scarlet will not be 2/3 and will not be 3K.... 4K it is!
Nov 3 2011 8:51PM
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C-O-L-E
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i must have missed it, is there a red release live stream link?
Nov 3 2011 8:55PM
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Jeff_Lo
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No...REDUSER.net

but it's insanely slow.. go to ScarletUser.com
Nov 3 2011 9:00PM
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1337
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REDuser.net is down for me, you too jeff?
Nov 3 2011 9:00PM
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eheath
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2/3 is fine for varicam and cineflex :)
Nov 3 2011 9:01PM
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1337
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nevermind, everything redirects here!

http://www.reduser.net/scarlet/
Nov 3 2011 9:01PM
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Jeff_Lo
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I can't see anything...on twitter now..I don't know how i'll order anything if it's like this all night
Nov 3 2011 9:04PM
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eheath
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anndddd its down
Nov 3 2011 9:05PM
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1337
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you're seriously ordering it TONIGHT without seeing any example footage?? I'm with horner, thats fucking retarded.
Nov 3 2011 9:07PM
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blatt
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Red: 1 Canon: 0
Nov 3 2011 9:08PM
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Jeff_Lo
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That's fine.  Think what you want.  I've worked with some RED footage.
Nov 3 2011 9:14PM
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eheath
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red nerds wild'n out right now
Nov 3 2011 9:16PM
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1337
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http://www.red.com/press

page showing the most promise as to loading. someone on twitter says the site was "attacked" possibly. LOL
Nov 3 2011 9:16PM
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NJurkiewicz
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down for maintenance :(
Nov 3 2011 9:18PM
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eheath
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http://twitter.com/#!/mikeseymour/

4K Quad HD at 30 fps ... 3K at 48 fps, 2K at 60 fps, 1K at 120 fps
Delivery Dec 1st, scarlet comes with Side SSD, Brain, Canon new Canon mount...
Nov 3 2011 9:21PM
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eheath
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Scarlet is $9750


HOLY FUCK!!! red stealing the show
Nov 3 2011 9:28PM
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