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Does Changing Bindings but mounting them in the same spot affect them?
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I just got ar7s but the shop accidentally mounted them with squires and they had to change it to griffons. will that affect them?
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if it was their mistake they should be buying you new skis.
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yeah it doesnt look like they will, but will they hurt the skis in the long run? because if they will i could start to complain and stuff?
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If they wouldn't replace them, I'd ask if they could work something out in the event of your bindings ripping out. I'm not even sure if something like that is possible though.
However, it shouldn't be a problem if they have the exact same pattern.
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Yes. The second time you screw screws into the same holes, the hold will obviously be somewhat weaker.
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but they have the exact same drilling pattern??
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Yeah, he's saying that. Unless the threads match up perfectly, the screw will bite into the ski just a little bit differently. I'm no expert, but I don't think there's a way to thread the screw in the exact same way again. I read somewhere on NS (quite the reliable source, hahaha) that it's pretty safe to use the same holes once again. J.D. is answering your question though, because it *will* have an impact on the integrity of the holes.
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but i dont ski very roughly and therefore, do i have like a chance of binding ripout in reality?
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Ill state again that I'm far from a binding expert.
However, I see no problem with using the same holes twice. TWICE! Any more than that and I'd be worried.
I've done a shitload of work on my heelpieces, requiring me to take them off like 3 times. I had my dad weld two broken base plates, haha! One of them ripped out after being remounted so much, and I actually drilled new holes and remounted a heel piece myself. This complete bullshit mounting job is enough to make any shop tech run me down and strangle me, but they held up for a month of lifts and some post-season nonsense. I plan to use these sticks for the early season, and hopefully they will hold up. I ski like a complete asshole though, so for all I know, they will rip out on my first run.
Basically, what I'm saying is that if my mount holes can put up with this much abuse, I'm sure a single remount on your skis will do you fine.
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You had a chance of binding ripout even if they'd done everything perfectly. You now have a slightly higher chance. Does that mean your bindings will rip out? Probably not.
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alright thanks guys, ill still probably talk to the shop manager to see if he could make a deal with me or something if they would rip out.
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I agree. I honestly can't say I can see it from a shop manager's perspective, but if they are refusing to give you new skis, its based on the fact that they don't think they will rip out. If that's how they feel, then they should stand behind that reasoning.
But..... J.D. is right once more. A binding can rip out of a ski even on its first mount. So that may throw a wrench into the works.
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It would definitely affect the mount. When you first mount a binding, you drill the whole slightly smaller than the screw so that the screw bites into the ski. Once you take out the first screw and replace it again, the threads are already in the ski and it won't grip as well. If they used an epoxy or some sort of adhesive it shouldn't effect the mount at all, as long as you aren't a super aggressive skier.
It doesn't effect the ski as a whole though, so these people saying, "get them to buy new a new pair of skis" are being ridiculous.
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Yeah pretty much. A shop pretty much has to murder your whole family while mounting your skis in order to justify giving you a new pair.
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You list a bunch of effects, than go and say it has 'no effect on the ski as a whole'. What are you trying to say?
If I was in his shoes, I'd go with the remount, but I would march right back in there if they ripped out.
When my bindings ripped out of my Fischer Addicts, the original mounting shop charged me for a helicoil. When those ripped out, guess what... they let me pick a pair of skis out from their shop; Octolands baby!
How is asking for a new set of skis -after they degrade them- considered ridiculous? Sure maybe its out of the question *before* they remount them, but I'd break a window if they ripped out after the remount and they didn't reimburse me.
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Because the mount in no way hurts the ski. A binding could rip out but that doesn't hurt the structure of the ski. It only makes the binding mount stripped and less usable. A ripped out binding does not compromise the ski therefore there is no need for the shop to replace it.
Binding rip outs can happen on any ski even with a super good mount. Ask the shop if they used some sort of epoxy or adhesive when they put the new bindings on. Also, ask them if they will do free helicoils if the mount does happen to rip out.
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Put them back in the same holes, they're fine. Just make sure someone experienced does it carefully, not the new kid at the shop.
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Okay, I get you. No worries.
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Maybe you could put in some of those quiver killer things
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He paid $500 for a pair of skis and they mounted the wrong bindings. In my opinion he can ask for whatever the heck he wants. Even if it is a small chance, it is still there because of the shop.
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