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US pulling out of Iraq

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CluckaChuck
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By next year, watching it on TV
Oct 21 2011 12:46PM
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Tinga
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just like last year?
Oct 21 2011 12:47PM
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Flying~Squirrel
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deja vu all over again
Oct 21 2011 12:47PM
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steezeknees
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I always pull out, bustin' inside a bitch is stupid
Oct 21 2011 12:47PM
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PhaedeD
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Actually it kind of has to happen..

the parliament in Iraq I guess is putting something into their laws that says if an American soldier shoots any Iraq no matter if they are being shot at or not they will be put on trial for murder or something.. not saying they will be found guilty but they will have to prove their life was on the line thats why they had to shoot.

its going to cause far to many problems so they are planning on just getting out, which we should anyways.
Oct 21 2011 12:49PM
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CluckaChuck
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haha yep, funny hes announcing it at the end of his career.
Oct 21 2011 12:49PM
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PJS.
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inb4 woozy
Oct 21 2011 12:49PM
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seward
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ahhh, the old Russian bobsled...
Oct 21 2011 12:52PM
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theabortionator
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Like that's ever gonna happen. IF we actually pull out ever we'll still be leaving a ton of troops behind like always, and we'll probably send more to afghan or iran. Perpetual warfare for no reason.


Oct 21 2011 12:57PM
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PhaedeD
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of course we will have to leave people there its a must, unfortunately but its going to be more for security.

My friend is being deployed for his 3rd tour in February and he is doing security in Iraq. He said they just are protecting convoys that are moving important people around and that they arent even really fighting there anymore.. Just talked to him about this last night, so its fresh news.

Afghanistan is another story, he said if he gets switched and sent there he will be doing mortar calculations since he already did his time up front. He was a scout sniper and a gunner on a hummer.. kids CRAZZYYY haha but normal at the same time not like some fucked up war vet that is a nut.

We do need to just get the fuck out of Afghanistan though, its definitely becoming a waste. Bring people back spend like 3% of what we are spending being there on intelligence work and counter-terrorism and we will be fine.
Oct 21 2011 1:02PM
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SkiThe603
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yeah never gonna happen
Oct 21 2011 1:09PM
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PhaedeD
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read my posts. its really happening, it might be a little longer than 1 year but i wouldnt go as far as saying its never going to happen.

fuck at least i hope it does, i guess i like to be optimistic.
Oct 21 2011 1:15PM
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theabortionator
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Whole thing has been a waste. We were supposed to go over there for a short time and get shit done.

Every year talk of pulling troops out never happened. Just kept expanding it, not surprising.



There will still be us troops and bases all over the middle east in 30 years.

This "war" will probably still be going on at least for the next 5, easily 10 plus
Oct 21 2011 1:19PM
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Toasty.
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we will always have troops/bases in every country we invade/conquer. **trust me, i would know.

And we are just going to move them to afgan and know africa.
Oct 21 2011 1:54PM
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PhaedeD
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we have had bases all over the world for a long time, sure its somewhat of a waste but not the nearly as bad as the actually fighting. the war itself i what is costing all the money. if we had a few thousand people at a base in another country thats not going to hurt us financially as much as have 100,000 people over there fighting. at least i dont think..
Oct 21 2011 2:16PM
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Toasty.
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its not a waste. We have bases and stay at the places to make sure it keeps secure. you think if we left iraq 3 years after we went it it would be where it is today. the US prolly wouldnt exist.

In germany part of the surrender from the nazis/germany they agreed that we can have bases here permanently.


Oct 21 2011 2:19PM
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Yung_Gnarley
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkazf7znllQ
Oct 21 2011 2:19PM
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theabortionator
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What gives us the right to stay in all these countries. If I lived in some of them I'd kick the US military the fuck out.

We have a shit ton of people in countries we haven't been fighting for years, or weren't even fighting. We have like 50k in Germany and Japan. It's kind of fucked up and most definitely wasteful.

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Toasty

"we will always have troops/bases in every country we invade/conquer. **trust me, i would know. "

Um, that's what I was talking about.


"its not a waste. We have bases and stay at the places to make sure it keeps secure. you think if we left iraq 3 years after we went it it would be where it is today. the US prolly wouldnt exist.

In germany part of the surrender from the nazis/germany they agreed that we can have bases here permanently. "

The US probably wouldn't exist if we left iraq 3 years ago? God damn you're fucking retarded. As far as it not being a waste, those troops cost money, nothing is free. What the fuck do we need a ton of troops in Germany and Japan for? Of course they agreed, they kind of had to, does that mean it serves any purpose for us to have all those people stationed there? Hell no. Obvious waste is obvious.


We're like the guests that show up at your house unannounced
and never leave.


Now that we've entered a "war on terror" we can pretty much keep this shit rolling for ever. The enemy and the goals aren't really defined. Basically this thing can go on forever and move us into whatever country. This shit storm in the middle east will be going on for a long ass time.
Oct 21 2011 3:43PM
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Toasty.
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well im here in Germany becuase my dad is serving your country.... And all these places are via points to other places. Africa is a huge problem right know, and we have more troops from my base in germany that go to africa and try and take care of the problems there than any other place.

And ya, iraq prolly would have blown the shit outta the US if we just "left"
Oct 21 2011 3:49PM
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PhaedeD
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exactly.

To tell you the truth if I lived in another country I would love to have the strongest military in the world very close by to help if my country ever needed it.

Sure it would be annoying if you were an Iranian extremist and there was a US military base 500 miles from you.
Oct 21 2011 3:53PM
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theabortionator
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Stretch for a quality reason of staying in every country we've been too. Still lots of waste.


"And ya, iraq prolly would have blown the shit outta the US if we just "left""

^ Um, you're fucking stupid.

Oct 21 2011 3:54PM
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PhaedeD
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i know im so fucking stupid your response was youre fucking stupid.

good job on trying to prove me wrong on how you wouldnt like having the strongest military in the world close by to help.

quality post my brother.
Oct 21 2011 3:55PM
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Toasty.
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i dont understand how you can be so harsh about it.

I mean I dont think you realize how powerful al qaeda was. They had enough nucleur bombs to blow up half the world...... But im sure you're gonna have the same response of "you're fucking stupid"
Oct 21 2011 4:00PM
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PhaedeD
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im not hear to be a dick but can you please give me a legitimate source that says they had that many nukes.

No WMD's were ever found in Iraq if I remember correctly and Al qaeda was being armed by Iraq and Iran believe neither of which have WMDs or Nukes for that matter.

Not denying because I do think Iraq probably had some WMD's we just never found them. I just wanna see some proof man thats all.
Oct 21 2011 4:03PM
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Toasty.
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U.S. Army

And its not going to happen, i mean we are slowly closing bases here in germany. 3 have closed in the last 10 years. But we are not going to get rid of all of them. Its cheaper to have guys go to africa, iraw, afgan, and other places from here/italy than the us.
Oct 21 2011 4:07PM
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stoppedreadingthere.jpg
Oct 21 2011 4:11PM
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Toasty.
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http://www.nypost.com/p/news/international/us_did_find_iraq_wmd_AYiLgNbw7pDf7AZ3RO9qnM


Oct 21 2011 4:13PM
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PhaedeD
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this isnt cutting it for me..

"The massive cache of almost 400,000 Iraq war documents released by the WikiLeaks Web site revealed that small amounts of chemical weapons were found in Iraq and continued to surface for years after the 2003 US invasion, Wired magazine reported."
Oct 21 2011 4:18PM
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theabortionator
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Sorry you got so offended.

"you think if we left iraq 3 years after we went it it would be where it is today. the US prolly wouldnt exist. "
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And ya, iraq prolly would have blown the shit outta the US if we just "left"

Read that and think about it. Do you really see that as a sensible post?


The US spends a shit ton of fucking money on the military, the us has a shit ton of people in the military.



Toasty saying that the US wouldn't exist if we had left Iraq 3 years ago sounds good to you? If we had left 3 years ago, how much different would it be than now? Not a whole lot, I mean fuck, we were supposedly going to be done over there a long time ago.

Even if we left more than 3 years ago, implying that Iraq has the capabilities to make the US cease to exist isn't the most brilliant thing I've heard.


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"we have had bases all over the world for a long time, sure its somewhat of a waste but not the nearly as bad as the actually fighting. the war itself i what is costing all the money. if we had a few thousand people at a base in another country thats not going to hurt us financially as much as have 100,000 people over there fighting. at least i dont think.. "

"If we had a few thousand" 50 thousand in a single country is more than a few thousand. That costs money, which doesn't matter because we'll spend trillion, waste is no big deal for our govt, neither is chillin in every country long after anything has happened.



To put this in perspective. What if china had a base in texas? What if Korea had a base in new york? What if Germany had a base in nebraska? It would probably piss off everyone in America off a whole bunch, get a bunch of people protesting and shit, and try and get them out of the US. some how it's supposed to be different when we do it to other countries. But that's right, America is always the good guy, we can do no wrong.

"To tell you the truth if I lived in another country I would love to have the strongest military in the world very close by to help if my country ever needed it. "

So our job is to police the world, get into shit that has nothing to do with us, the whole times our economy is sucking balls and all the other problems at home.


Hell we give foreign aid still to countries that fucking hate us. But that's probably not wasteful either. We're poor here at home, we don't have money to be wasting all over the world.

The power that these extremists have is so over blown.

"i know im so fucking stupid your response was youre fucking stupid.

good job on trying to prove me wrong on how you wouldnt like having the strongest military in the world close by to help.

quality post my brother. "

All you have a problem reading. Clearly I quoted toasty with an arrow pointing to his quote saying "you're fucking stupid"
Wasn't even to you.



Was just trying to simplify it without having to type more than I had to.
Oct 21 2011 4:22PM
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PhaedeD
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once again proving you are a dumb shit...

that wasnt me saying that dumbass, im actually calling that kid out a post or 2 above you. I am asking him for sources on how many nukes or WMD's iraq had..

Oct 21 2011 4:24PM
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Toasty.
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i said 3 years after we entered.
Oct 21 2011 4:24PM
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ThaLorax
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You guys realize this is all about politics right? Obama only announced the pullout to get re-elected.
Oct 21 2011 4:33PM
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theabortionator
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True. My point is the same though. I was saying that even if we pulled out at that time period it'd still be the same deal.

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ThaLorax
"You guys realize this is all about politics right? Obama only announced the pullout to get re-elected. "

Of course. Supposedly he was gonna pull the troops out and legalize weed.


I don't believe any of the shit that comes out of most politicians mouths.
Oct 21 2011 4:40PM
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Toasty.
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I agree with you on that point, it kinda sucks when they tell your friends dad he doesnt have to go back to iraq, he has done enough. Then they make him go back "one" more time and he gets killed in an ambush
Oct 21 2011 4:43PM
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theabortionator
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LOL WUT?



Did you read what you just posted?


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PhaedeD

"once again proving you are a dumb shit...

that wasnt me saying that dumbass, im actually calling that kid out a post or 2 above you. I am asking him for sources on how many nukes or WMD's iraq had.. "


Are you trolling

"Clearly I quoted toasty with an arrow pointing to his quote saying "you're fucking stupid" Wasn't even to you. Was just trying to simplify it without having to type more than I had to. "

^^^^^^^^^^^
Oct 21 2011 4:47PM
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rachie.b
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Oct 21 2011 4:49PM
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vailsux.com
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The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan constitute the longest wartime period ever sustained by an all-volunteer force in recorded history. If that counts for anything.
Oct 21 2011 4:52PM
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PhaedeD
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no i saw your ^ which usually means the post above. sorry im not up to date the new quoting format that you are using.
Oct 21 2011 4:58PM
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theabortionator
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Was trying to quote 2 people without having to dub post every time.
Oct 21 2011 4:59PM
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Deluge
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Finally
Oct 21 2011 6:49PM
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jblaski
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I feel this needs to be quoted.



Related notes:

The network news channels need to get off Obama's dick for this move. All of a sudden, they're hailing him as the greatest president ever.

Also, I've have multiple people try and tell me how Obama did a great job getting Moammar Gadhafi out of power, like Obama had any hand in capturing/killing him.
Oct 21 2011 7:41PM
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geteducated
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the invasion really came down to the USA getting fucked over on the UN sanctioned, food for oil program. USA was doing all the heavy lifting and france and britain weren't fulfilling their UN obligations while signing oil contracts with saddam on the side. bush was tired of getting fucked over so he stuck his middle finger up to the UN and invaded.
Oct 21 2011 8:47PM
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Radio
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yea i was waiting for someone to notice. one of the biggest things people have against him is that he hasnt keped his promises, and he is just doin it now to suck up and buter up the american public.
Oct 21 2011 8:54PM
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theabortionator
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The UN is a joke, and I wish We'd bail out of that along with nafta and other shit.

At the same time, the invasion was a joke. We shouldn't have gone in. The whole reason for us going in was pretty much the wmd's being everywhere and ready for use against us, and that was obvious nans, yet years later we're still over there.

Oct 21 2011 9:16PM
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geteducated
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yes, you were told about the wmds. what im saying is the real reason.
Oct 21 2011 9:41PM
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rockyhockey11187
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reading political threads on NSers is like watching retarded kids fight over an empty milk carton in a high school cafeteria
Oct 21 2011 10:37PM
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vailsux.com
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I think it's kind of a big deal. 10 years of conflict in Afghanistan and simultaneous conflict in Iraq. Now after that great amount of time the Iraqi's are putting forth legislation to get U.S. troops out of Iraq, Al Sadr resorted to parliament and not road side bombs, kids go to hospitals without lethal bio hazards, and also attend functional schools. Afghanistan is still a work in progress and it might not work, but I do believe we are fighting for liberty and freedom, though they are difficult goals to achieve. This remarkable feat is only credit to the men and women who cleaned up wreckage of a police station or felt the true wrath of a leak like Abu Ghraib. These brave men and women volunteered. Why would they do that? How are they able to sustain their effort? What is their cause?

I guess I will really never know the true motive of the U.S. government, but I trust members of the service to choose the right.

“If we could leave here...having made a positive influence with the younger kids—being able to attend a school that is clean, and the bathroom works, and they have furniture, and a chalk board, and windows that work—if we can leave Karmah or Saqlawiyah with a steady water supply with potable water and a workable [medical] clinic to attend, all or any of these successes, I think we can say we accomplished our mission.”

-LtCol Joseph T. Krumm


Oct 23 2011 3:38AM
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vailsux.com
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and this statement has some truth to it.
Oct 23 2011 3:46AM
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arandomname
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Holy fuck, you are retarded.
Oct 23 2011 9:05PM
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theabortionator
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durp
Oct 23 2011 9:50PM
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