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Difference between a Rodeo 5, Flat 5, and lincoln 1?

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Olimar
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Ive read the trick tip guides, search bared, and googled it and all the answers i get i always feel like they arnt correct. so once and for all some one help. prefereably from some one that can actually do the trick and isnt a claimer.
Oct 16 2011 9:44AM
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JHendrix
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.......well I'm no expert on skiing but I'll try to help you to the best of my ability
the difference between a rodeo 5 and a flat spin 5 is when your doing a rodeo your feet are upside some point in the rotation while a flat spin your feet don't =o and a Lincoln 1 is just a Lincoln loop with a 180

IF I'M WRONG DON'T BREW UP A SHITSTORM ....just politely correct me
Oct 16 2011 9:56AM
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crab_pretzel
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disclaimer: i have not done any of these tricks. but someone described them to me a little while ago and i finally understood them.

so a flatspin is kinda wierd; one way to think of it is that its more of a "rotation" than a spin, maybe youll get what i mean in a sec. as you go off the jump imagine leaning backwards and to the left or right so that your head is at the same vertical level as your boots, so youre "flat". you spin like a y-axis was put through the center of your body, and your head and feet rotate around that. and you spin like this for 1 1/2 rotations to make it the 5. thats essentially what it is, and your feet arent really supposed to go over your head if its a flatspin. get it?

a rodeo is the same trick as above, except your feet do go over your head. so its thrown alot more backwards than back and to the left (jfk lol) than a flatspin is. the 5 is the same idea.

idk what you mean by a lincoln 1. can anyone confirm or deny my description? i hope this helped
Oct 16 2011 9:58AM
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crab_pretzel
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go terps.
Oct 16 2011 10:00AM
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Lemuel
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Nailed it. I will assume a lincoln 180 is a lincoln loop then you spin 180...... not even close to a rodeo 5 / flatspin 5/ underflip/ overflip.

My description of a flatspin would be doing a lincoln while lying on your back.
Oct 16 2011 10:12AM
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Olimar
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All of these actually did help alot so thanks every one!
Oct 16 2011 11:46AM
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Panda_with_Guns
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in another thread about doing a rodeo, lots of people were saying to just do a lincoln 180. so im sorta confused
Oct 16 2011 12:40PM
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Kreech
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So you know, you don't have to be completely flat in the air for a flatspin. Litterally THE ONLY difference between flat and rodeo is that you go completely inverted in a rodeo, and in a flat your feet are never directly over your head. This can be really confusing to tell the difference especially on the more inverted flatspins, but you'll soon be able to tell the difference.
Oct 16 2011 12:47PM
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H-Slice
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ya u got it and i think a lincon one is pretty much just an underflip if you do it right its kinda what it is a lincon loop with a 180
Oct 16 2011 1:40PM
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crab_pretzel
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someone just said a lincoln 180 is not an underflip/overflip, but thats exactly what i thought it was, depending on if you lincoln up or down the hill after rotating 90 degrees.

dont wanna threadjack but i have a question:
a rodea thrown forward is a misty, but is there a name for a flatspin thrown forward? like when you do that "tackling" type of motion? or is it still just a flatspin?
Oct 16 2011 1:45PM
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Inline.
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so what would you say this is? this is me about 6 months ago.

Oct 16 2011 2:05PM
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Stose
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At Windells, Collin Colllins told me to rodeo just throw a lincoln and then 180
Oct 16 2011 2:09PM
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TonyMacaroni
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that would be a flat 5 imo, it was thrown almost forward like tj schillers rodeo 5 trick tip which is also more flat.
Oct 16 2011 2:13PM
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colin13
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100% rodeo 5. flatspins are thrown more like backflips. like a flat 3 i do by throwing a backflip to 10 or 11 o'clock instead of 12
Oct 16 2011 2:40PM
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jKutcher
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flat 5 = rodeo 5 = flat 5
Oct 16 2011 2:46PM
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wreck_720
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Yes. Flatspins everything I've seen on a flatspin is exactly like this, where as a rodeo, I throw like I'm gonna roll over my side and feels like a lincoln 180. but, it's NOT a lincoln 180.

and THIS is a rodeo: http://www.stereoskis.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/bjc3b8rn_rodeo5.jpg

For some reason the last link didn't come out, just copy and paste it.
Oct 16 2011 2:51PM
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TTSwitchrider674
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yaa, rodeo 5 is pretty much flat 3 with another rotation which like the post above wisely says
Oct 16 2011 3:06PM
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Mr.Gaga
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Only difference i see between rodeo 5 and lincoln 180 is where your head is looking. if you go rodeo your head will look to the sky, rly like a backflip 180. If you do a lincoln (you trow it back and side and result is a sideflip) you have to keep your head strait and keep looking in front of you. If you do the same thing, go for a lincoln (back and side) but keep your head down you'll do a lincoln 180. Lincoln 180 is easier, you can see your landing all the time and they realy look like rodeo 5 since you trow em back and side (rodeo is more back and spin). Finally flatspin is a not fully inverted rodeo. Peoples fuck up a lot with those 3 tricks and kangs. kang is a dub flat 9, your head shluld never be fully inverted during a kang. If you go fully inverted it's a dub lincoln 180 or a dub rodeo 9 depending on where your head is looking and if it was trowed more like a backflip or like a sideflip
Oct 16 2011 3:07PM
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FUUUCK
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Oct 16 2011 3:29PM
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iffe
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That's a slightly off-axis backflip with a japan. Most people do "flatspin" 3's like that. To me, the perfect example of a flatspin 360° is done by Andy Mahre in Idea. Sadly I don't have a link to it, but people who have seen it will know what I'm talking about.
Oct 16 2011 3:51PM
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Olimar
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yeah this is why i added the lincoln 180 to the thread. i feel like a lincloln would be a normal lincoln loop with a 180 after it. not all at the same time because then it would be a under/over flip.
Oct 16 2011 4:14PM
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Olimar
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sorry i re-read this and it made no sense...
but i feel like if your feet have to go over your head when doing a rodeo 5 then it would be the same as if you just did a lincoln with a 180 after. so in reality it all depends on where you are looking and how you throw your shouler i guess, so if your head is looking to the sky its a rodeo 5 but if its looking straight ahead then its a lincoln? correct me if im wrong.
Oct 16 2011 4:20PM
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SteveStepp
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In all my years of being a freeskier and spending some time in the industry... I've learned that trick names dont matter. At all.

Everyone calls them different things, and its not likely that they'll change their minds when they hear a new, "correct" way to say it. Even though the new way to say it is probably just someones else' opinion.

Rodeos = flatspins
lincoln 180 = rodeo (depending which way to spin out) flatspin = lincoln 180

a=b b=c a=c

At the end of the day, they're all backflip 180s



who gives a shit (lol)
Oct 16 2011 4:23PM
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triebby
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This. Trying to pick apart the little differences is dumb. Just because different people throw a trick a little bit differently doesn't mean it's an entirely different trick. Also, the term flatpsin really came into use due to halfpipe and quarterpipe skiing where an alley-oop flat 5 is a popular trick.
Oct 16 2011 4:25PM
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RubberSoul
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there's almost no difference at all. for some reason skiers have a bad habit of splitting hairs with trick names. dont worry much about it
Oct 16 2011 4:27PM
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Olimar
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alright thanks everyone for the help! +k to everyone.
i guess the threads over.
Oct 16 2011 5:13PM
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mad.twatter
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perfection. Lincoln one is an underflip I believe... it's just more inverted than your rodeo, pretty much feet straight over head when I do them.
Oct 17 2011 11:51AM
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iffe
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I actually remembered that Idea is online. The perfect flat 3 (in my opinion) at 11:52

Oct 17 2011 12:02PM
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MichaelAlsid
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not correct.  rodeos are thrown backwards where lincolns are throw directly to the side
Oct 17 2011 12:22PM
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_DUSTY_
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Just a slight correction to your statement, rodeo's are a cross between backwards and Lincoln set. Think about it this way, for a backflip you thrust you hips straight forward to set your feet right over your head, a lincoln is set with your hips going straight to the side. A rodeo would be in between those to, your hips go forward and to the side and this ends up being a rodeo.

Flatspin is set like a rodeo except you block your hips a bit making it flat. They are not set like a backflip or you'll end up doing a crooked backflip. A true flat three is closer to an under rotated flat 5 than a rodeo 5. Here's a video of a true flat 3 along with the one that was linked earlier in this thread:
https://www.newschoolers.com/membervideo/316661.0/True_flat_3__to_1_ski_landing?s=126042&t=2&o=8

Lincoln 180 you throw your hips completely sideways then use your shoulders to spin the 180.

Hope this helps!
Oct 17 2011 3:37PM
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LittleFoot
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they all make you land in a backwards skiing position
Oct 17 2011 3:52PM
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LARd.
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How i do a flat 5 is more like a sideways backflip and when i do a rodeo i think of it of more like a sideways lincoln loop. A lincoln 1 is not anything like it really a rodeo or flat. A lincoln 1 is more of a forward rotation and a rodeo is more of a back rotation. Lincoln 1 starts to look more like misty in the end.
Oct 17 2011 3:59PM
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Horsefacekillah
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lawled

Oct 17 2011 4:02PM
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iffe
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Yes, if you spin left and drop your right shoulder to do the lincoln. What we're talking about here is spinning left and dropping the left shoulder. That way it isn't too far from a rodeo 5.
Oct 17 2011 4:22PM
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