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Rape and Murder

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steezeknees
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Amanda Knox, there is no way that that girl is even capable of the thing she is accused of! Any thoughts on the verdict?
Oct 3 2011 11:29AM
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Abu_Hajaar
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They just needed someone to blame
Oct 3 2011 11:35AM
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steezeknees
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But in such a male dominated society why would they pick a man?
Oct 3 2011 11:38AM
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howlongcanausern
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so which parts of the 427 page opinion document (wrote by the judge) do you disagree with?
Oct 3 2011 11:41AM
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dh1028
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it was a drug fueled sex game that turned into her and he boyfriend slitting her throat...she does look very innocent though.. but It seems the facts are there to say she is guilty of at least second degree murder
Oct 3 2011 11:41AM
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Charlie_Kelly
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learn to fucking type a coherent sentence.
Oct 3 2011 11:45AM
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fujarome
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compared with the sentences written by the vast majority of this site, his really wasn't that bad.
Oct 3 2011 11:58AM
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flexpattern
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I think most people are forgetting an innocent 21 year old girl was brutally murdered...



People are forgetting who the real victim was.
Oct 3 2011 12:04PM
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howlongcanausern
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ah, not to worry, there is a translated version out there on the internets....the source of it is apparently down, tho:

http://perugiamurderfile.org/index.php

Oct 3 2011 12:18PM
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Petey.
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Do you have trouble reading?
Oct 3 2011 12:20PM
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steezeknees
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I didnt read it to be honest. But my opinion is skewed just like everyone elses and i was looking to hear your opinion.
Oct 3 2011 12:41PM
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cobra_commander
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The Amanda Knox case would have been lucky to last 5 minutes in a U.S. court room.
Oct 3 2011 1:33PM
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Anathema
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is she hot?
Oct 3 2011 1:34PM
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steezeknees
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She would have be aqquitted, and she is hot.
Oct 3 2011 3:00PM
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skier_boy26
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So because there was one victim, they must railroad somebody else so there is justice?
Oct 3 2011 3:04PM
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charmander
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hate to say it but its because shes an american, in europe.
Oct 3 2011 3:12PM
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theJones
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Whether or not she did it, there just isn't enough evidence to convict her.
Oct 3 2011 3:27PM
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steezeknees
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In the United State...
Oct 3 2011 3:29PM
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skier_boy26
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there it is
Oct 3 2011 3:51PM
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pbandj
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not so much

but you must remember that an innocent 21 year old is in fact dead.

just because there isn't enough evidence to convict her in the states doesn't mean there isn't enough evidence to convict her in europe.

and to whoever posted that she's in jail because she's an american in europe. that's a stupid ignorant fucking comment.
go to europe, and tell me on a whole, how you're treated. no matter what country i was in, the people on a whole were extremely nice, and courteous, and yes, i got laid... a lot.
Oct 3 2011 4:01PM
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Blurst
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She was aquited by an appeal court
http://www.edmontonjournal.com/Amanda+Knox+acquitted+Italy+murder/5492946/story.html
Oct 3 2011 4:09PM
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Blurst
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never mind I dont think she was yet... headline made me think that before I actually read the article.
Oct 3 2011 4:12PM
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skier_boy26
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no, she was.

She was guilty of false accusation, but already did time served and has to pay a fine that is minimal in the greater scheme of things.

Every channel here in Seattle was locked in to this. Not surprising. This shit is global.
Oct 3 2011 4:18PM
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TheHundreds
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I'd rather be dead than spend 4 years in an italian prison convicted for something I didn't do. They are all victims.
Oct 3 2011 4:20PM
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pbandj
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did you witness the murder? were you there?

how do you know she's innocent?

just because you're acquitted of a crime doesn't mean you didn't do it. and the same could be said if you are convicted of a crime, it doesn't mean 100% that you did do it.

i mean look at OJ, killed his wife, ran, and still got away scott free.

should we bring up casey anthony?
Oct 3 2011 4:30PM
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TheHundreds
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I dreamt about it because i'm fucking psychic!
Oct 3 2011 4:32PM
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feihlination
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italian prisons are not like some in the third world or whatever.

just get your facts straight. just because she is american, shes not innocent. nor the other way round. i think she had a solid trial and thats the outcome. yeah she "looks" innocent, but thats not really how justice should work.

there was a similar case all over german-speaking news not long ago where a german teenager was accused of raping a 13-year old british girl in turkey. yeah turkish prisons are a shithole and all that stuff. but the problem in these cases is that the "home"-media is EXTREMELY BIASED. it was all like "innocent", "the girls mom just doesnt want to believe that her daughter had sex and tries to cover it up" or some bullshit like that.

AND SHE DID LIE AND TRY TO GET ANOTHER GUY IN PRISON, FOR A FUCKING MURDER. HOW "NICE" IS THAT? FOR THAT ALONE SHE SHOULD BE GIVEN LIFETIME.
Oct 3 2011 5:42PM
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deleted5
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are really just stone room with a bucket to shit in and they feed you idk what to call it i ate it for 3 weeks and i still coudn't tell you what it was. yup good times
Oct 3 2011 5:45PM
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feihlination
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ok lifetime is a little harsh, but this is a very serious issue. 3 years for trying to get some other innocent dude lifetime?

i think thats a little weak and definitely not scaring enough. you could always grab that last straw without too much consequences. she probably knew that her trial would last forever and shit and could play that card for free.

this is an awful person to me. no matter of nationality or anything. if youre innocent, great. if nobody wants to hear your version, not so great. but trying to pull another innocent person into that hole is so weak i cant even express it.

i know a thing or two about how punishments for several crimes should differ and HAVE to differ in order to keep minor crimes in check. but this should definitely be punished harder.

Oct 3 2011 5:48PM
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feihlination
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ok, they are worse than i thought. but still not comparable to thailand or singapur and the likes.
Oct 3 2011 5:50PM
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neutralzombie
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why isn't she capable of it?
Oct 3 2011 5:52PM
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feihlination
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because smashmouth studied tele-psychology and is generally pretty good at life.
Oct 3 2011 5:54PM
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Keenan_Jones
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Do you have your facts straight? Have you been following this case?
Oct 3 2011 5:55PM
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jibnut
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OJ got off the hook on October 3rd, as well.
Oct 3 2011 5:56PM
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Milksteak
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EETZAH CONSPURCY!!!!!
Oct 3 2011 5:57PM
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feihlination
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there is not much emotion in there. i corrected my statement. but i think it should matter whether you try to give someone else lifetime or lying on some minor issue under oath.

3 years is not much. and regarding the circumstances (long trial, etc) it was a pretty clever move without negative consequences.

in this case, its almost like murder (of course the other guy needs to lack some kind of alibi or whatever, but in some cases there might be a scapegoat available and who knows how often that happens).

think about it. you get free and another guy gets 25+ years (depending on lifetime definition in italy). thats robbing him of 25+ years. imo, this is "close" to murdering (if you know what i mean, somehow its not close at all but lets say lifetime means real lifetime then its definitely comparable).
Oct 3 2011 6:00PM
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feihlination
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/4947793/Amanda-Knox-sued-by-Patrick-Lumumba.html

do you mean that part?
Oct 3 2011 6:01PM
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feihlination
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i guess it wasnt that big of a deal in US-media outlets ^^
Oct 3 2011 6:04PM
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Hoppy
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It's hard to play NS detective.
The Italian forensics should've been a whole load better and if Knox and Sollecito weren't involved, who else did it? (besides Guede)

The media should be fucking ashamed (especially British tabloids), Meredith Kercher died, which seems to be glossed over quite alot.
Oct 3 2011 6:20PM
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feihlination
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its kinda funny. here an american summary before the verdict:

http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/12/02/amanda-knox-revisited/

and this is how serious journalism looks like to me. at least while flying over it.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/blog/2011/oct/03/amanda-knox-appeal-live-updates



you can clearly read bias between the lines and through the choice of certain words. i dont like the nytimes blog article at all. its a blog but look up by whom.
Oct 3 2011 6:31PM
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Blake.P
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I'm really happy for her. Maybe I'm biased because I know the family and she graduated from my school the year before I started, but it's such a relief that she got out.
Oct 3 2011 6:36PM
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feihlination
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AGAIN, lifetime was a bit harsh. but seriously guys, get your US-bias off of you.

but i do repeat that lying under oath in THIS CASE is a very severe action. and i hate how nobody talks about that. again, lying here means lifetime for another person. just look at how knox and her friend describe italian prisons, how they try to create emotion by all that and yeah, SHE tried to pin just that to someone completely innocent.



overall: to think that you know more about this case than italian police or federal prosecutors is pretty lame. idc and idk if this is the correct verdict and all, but i know that she tried to get out of there the easy and fucked up way and faced no real consequences for it.
Oct 3 2011 6:40PM
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feihlination
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what if shes guilty?

i dont say she is, but nobody on NS knows for sure and it sounds like its a banana-trial just because its not in the US.

i dont have to mention OJ because he already was mentioned to say that US trials can be pretty lame too.
Oct 3 2011 6:42PM
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Keenan_Jones
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you sir, are an idiot!
Oct 3 2011 6:54PM
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StreetsOfRage
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and she is out.
Oct 3 2011 7:01PM
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wasatch_rat
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Oct 3 2011 7:14PM
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TOAST.
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Yea I would say you may be slightly biased.
Oct 3 2011 7:15PM
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cobra_commander
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I would rather have 5 child rapests walk free then one innocent person get convicted. But I am all for innocent until proven guilty, don't live in a police state, and am listing to Freebird right now, so I might be biased.
Oct 3 2011 8:19PM
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cobra_commander
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Child molesters do not have a good history of rehabilitation.
Oct 3 2011 8:45PM
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pbandj
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they are also top of the list for becoming prison bitches. they literally are the lowest of the low in prison society.
Oct 3 2011 9:40PM
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cobra_commander
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That's what they tell me.
Oct 3 2011 9:46PM
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