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QuickFlash7
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whos for it, whos against it



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Aug 19 2004 7:55AM
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ATLANTASKI
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i believe in social darwinism in education, follow me for a sec.

not everyone is meant for college, but with the plan you believe in who will pick up our trash or flip our burgers?
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Aug 19 2004 2:04PM
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QuickFlash7
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ill take that as a joke



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Aug 19 2004 2:05PM
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ATLANTASKI
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i was being partly serious, college is made for people who are cut out for it, not everyone is meant to go to college.
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Aug 19 2004 2:06PM
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QuickFlash7
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so because you suffer from dilapidated school systems means youre not cut out for college?



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Aug 19 2004 2:07PM
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J.D.
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ATL, You have to admit that at least some people who would otherwise go to college aren't able to because of their circumstances. But the same is true of these people being kept out of college by affirmative action.

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Aug 19 2004 2:08PM
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QuickFlash7
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in no way am i saying the system is perfect, im just saying that its better than nothing at this time



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Aug 19 2004 2:09PM
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ATLANTASKI
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yes definately JD and that sucks but im talking for a broader range in general. but also someone who doesnt have good financial situation can use scholarships and such. these things are out there, its up to the individual to take advantage of them.

and quick flash metro atlanta schools are excellent,its the city of atlanta schools that are dilipadated, but i go to private school
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Aug 19 2004 2:11PM
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QuickFlash7
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exactly, city schools are awful, and you even said yourself that the majoirty of people attending the city schools are minorities



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Aug 19 2004 2:14PM
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Apple
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i think that its crap. In the canadian charter, one section say you will not discriminate based on race, sex, religion...ect. then in the second part of that section it says that affermitive action prgrams can be used to help those 'disadvantaged' by race, sex, religion...ect. First canada says not to discriminate, then it goes and says because of your race or sex you are at a disadvantage and need help to survive. its the ultimate insult if you ask me. Im not saying its bad to help people in need, but to help people based on their race or sex isnt right.

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Aug 19 2004 2:20PM
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QuickFlash7
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well its made to avoid discrimination against that same thing, like i said before, its a catch22



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Aug 19 2004 2:21PM
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Ice-Is-Scary
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yo quickflash if the white people arnt the majority of the poor who are? I just boxed up all my books and brought them to my new apartment yesterday (moving this weekend) I specifically remeber the chapter on poverty last year that there are more poor white people than any other race. Now the % isnt as high as say indians (who are the worst off) but there are still more white people living below the poverty line than any other race.


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Aug 19 2004 2:21PM
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QuickFlash7
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we were talking about inner city inhabitants



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Aug 19 2004 2:22PM
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bigJ
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When it comes to this affermative action debate I like to let the facts speak for themselves. In thee years after affermative action was gotten rid of in florida, california, and texas, minority enrolement has go up by like 25-50%. That is proof that affermative action does not work, and you can't dispute that, it does not work. It has nothing to do with racism or anything else like that, its just stupid, it just doesn't work. So you can debate it either way, but the bottem line remains, it just is ineffective and a waste.



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Aug 19 2004 2:35PM
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QuickFlash7
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thats 3 states



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Aug 19 2004 2:37PM
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QuickFlash7
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and whos to say that afirmative action didnt influence this increase



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Aug 19 2004 2:40PM
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Aug 19 2004 2:41PM
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I think the money and effort spent on affirmative action should be transferred to the source of the problem, bad schools.

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Aug 19 2004 2:59PM
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Lord_Piot
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holy fuck its the black races fault for all the stigmas associated with it.

put the crack pipes down, get off welfare and stop being black and maybe we wouldnt need afirmative action
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Aug 19 2004 3:27PM
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Ice-Is-Scary
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piot you used to be such a towelhead im glad your panning out.


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Aug 19 2004 3:31PM
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You people have no idea what it's like. Imagine if your family had very little money. You go to a dilapidated, crowded and poorly funded high school where crime is rampant, there is a huge stigma against learning, and there is a big emphasis on clothes and possessions. That is such a huge disadvantage in life, if you overcome it, I say you deserve an extra leg up. It's like being handicapped and learning to walk. Oh, and not to mention we need to make up for the 300 hundred or so years of slavery. The funny thing is, each one of you grew up priveleged little white kids, you have no right to say there is no need for affirmitive action. If you happen to lose your place in some college to a poor black guy who is a little less qualified, you can find some other college or go to a community college. If you get in a bind, your parents or friends can help you out with a place to stay and some money. That college might be the only hope for that black guy, and if he doesn't get in, it's right back to the ghetto for him.


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Aug 19 2004 3:44PM
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Ice-Is-Scary
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way to many generalizations in there about white and black people.


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Aug 19 2004 3:53PM
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Ice-Is-Scary
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now that I think of it suprachonric your right black people arnt smart enough to make it on thier own. They all need programs to be able to compete with white people.


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Aug 19 2004 3:54PM
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Ice-Is-Scary
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Under furthur consideration I think there should be a program to help white people get into the N.B.A and N.F.L because they are clearly too many black people in there (they didnt get there on their own merits it must be racism) White people were too busy studying as kids to be any good at basketball or football. The system is totally racist and even though I can run as fast, jump as high or shoot a basketball aswell as a black person they should let me in to 'even' things up a bit


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Aug 19 2004 3:59PM
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Jasmine
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i don't believe in affirmative acton, but i do believe in diversity. i know it would suck to go to college and have all whites and asians and koreans. at least that is not what i want, so i used to like affirmative action. now that i'm applying for college, though, i find it really unfair. it is like combatting racism (against blacks/ hispanics) with more racism (against whites/asians). you can't make a right with two wrongs er w/e. so now i'm thinking there are better ways to diversify, like someone said earlier about bettering education in the real slummy areas and cities and having tutoring programs out where the educational systems are bad. but i still have to say, if worst comes to worst, i would rather have affirmative action than lack diversity.



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Aug 19 2004 6:44PM
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Ice-Is-Scary
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^ asians are protected under affirmative action aswell


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Aug 19 2004 7:17PM
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Jasmine
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they are? all i know is i'm half asian and i ain't tellin anyone shit about that on college applications because it makes it ten times harder to get into college as an asian. so in the ethnic box, i just click biracial and no one ever knows which half is which.



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Aug 19 2004 7:33PM
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Ice-Is-Scary
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everybody but white males. Female is automatic minority and all races but white are protected


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Aug 19 2004 8:08PM
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FRZGene
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Being asian might not help you get into a school like MIT, Harvard, Cal tech, etc...but if you're applying to northeastern liberal arts schools, like Bowdoin, Colby, Colgate, etc, then being Asian certainly won't hurt your chances.


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Aug 19 2004 8:24PM
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aggro_sk8
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ok, im fuckin mad about 'we have 300+ years of slavery too make up for'

first of all, i never had slaves, my great great gradmother came from a little town in nowhere canada during the aoskeags mills high point, long after slavery was ended, same with her husband

second my grandparents on the other side came over from ellis island, i owe blacks NOTHING because of slavery.

third. look, there are plenty of successful, respectable black people, but who do black kids look up too?
50 cent, capone noreaga, etc... (ie, violence, killing, easy money, free sex, etc...) remember what bill cosbey said? black people go out and buy their kids $300 sneakers, but cant spend $200 on hooked on phonics, and that theyre screwing themselves over

there are plenty of poor ass gangster blacks out there who have mad things of themselves, because they CARED!

martain luther king jr wanted man to be judged by the content of their character, not the color of their skin. he wanted blacks to be seen for who they are, not what they look like, even if it benefits them.

its a form of slavery, give people jobs and tell em its because they cant do it themselves. sounds racist to me
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Aug 19 2004 11:41PM
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aggro_sk8
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wanna make college entrance exams racially blind? stop asking what race people are!!! if the people deciding dont know if youre black, right, or purple, theyll never know. that is how it should work

just aking what race you are is discriminatory.
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Aug 19 2004 11:46PM
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Why should black people that go to shitty high schools get more than white people that go to shitty high schools?

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Aug 20 2004 12:58AM
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misterbinz
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This was posted a while ago by vantownloc in a discussion in the skiers against neo-cons cult,

'hmm.... well affirmative action in the US is in response to the 350+ years of legal institualized slavery of africans. Since the civil rights act in 1964, yes only 40 years ago, black people couldn't even vote nor have the bill of rights applied to them like any other citizen. so unfair or not the pendulium neads to swing back thee other way a bit to balance the scales. Same with the ERA in the 70's with Women but they obviously were consiuderably less discriminated against in the US.

Also considering that black people are still targeted by the social system for extermination i think that is a white kid is deinied entry to a colledge so that a more under privildged black student can at least get a chance then too bad.

I understand that things should be equal for all people in the US but considering the 350+ years of complete imbalance i do not think that giving people a forced equal chance is a bad thing and if you do the research, it is working!

peopel are so easy to forget or could never know what it is like to have your grandfather or great garndfather and even dad have faced the inability to eat at a resturant or even the basics of vote. or even worse have been lynched or put in prison. If you look at the statistics of who is in prision in the US you will find that a considerably disproportionate amount of the inmates are black; approx 80%. and since black in the US make up 15-17% of the population then you explain to me what is going on?

affirmative action is just one stepping stone to correct 350+ years of slavery. Funny that we never mention the SUCCESSFUL genocide of the native poeoples of the US. They don't get affirmative action even the just get boose and soeme unusable land. Even the nazi's weren't successful in what they did in WWII but the US has the dubious honor of being one of the few nations ever or successfully committing genocide with no hope of it ever being held resposible.

also the comment in that guys signature about titty bars should sum it all up what is actually important to him or what he considers funny. frankly i choose to respect women for more that the tits they may or may not rub in my face.

he can go fuck himself because the potrntial for changing someone like that is about zero. i am starting to think those people just need to be destroyed instead of helped. black panther style!'


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Aug 20 2004 11:49AM
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misterbinz
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It seems to me that people are having an unrealistic idea of what affirmative action does. Some slacker black kid who got a 2.0 GPA in high school and had been arrested for drug use and didn't really try at all in high school isn't going to have a chance to getting into any school, regardless of what affirmative action program might be instated. But a decent black student who despite maybe coming from a poor family and attending a shitty school, versus a decent white student who went to a private school and has wealthy parents, who do you think should get in? The black kid. He's been through a lot more, he's probably had to work a lot harder, and he still comes out even with this priveleged white kid. Affirmative action isn't about letting minorities getting into school no matter what, its about rewarding minorities who have had more difficult circumstances than their white counterparts, and therefore probably had to work a lot harder. Also, affirmative action is only one small part of the admissions systems that use it. I think it was at the University of Michigan, it had a 120 point scale, and being a minority gave you 8 points. That might be a little excessive, but those 8 points can easily be made up by having strong extracurriculars, writing good essays, and tons of other things. Minorities are still getting into college on merit, they are just being given a little push because of their unfortunate history. When applying for a job, if one candidate is a black and the other is white, the black guy isn't going to automatically get the job, but if the skills of the two are comprable, the edge would be given to minority.

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Aug 20 2004 11:58AM
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Ice-Is-Scary
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How do you measure underprivilaged upbringing. Im pretty sure the question on the forms is race; white, black hispanic exc. they dont have Underprivilaged black kid who tried hard, Rich black kid who tried hard, I'm pretty sure they just have black. Supporting systems like these are clearly racist. I know my post to the NFL wasnt supposed to be very serious but pretend it was it's the same kind of situation.


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Aug 20 2004 2:02PM
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i didn't read all the posts so forgive me if this has already been said.
Al Franken made an analogy is his book that I thought was entertaining. If you're a baseball coach and you have two kids trying out for the team that can run to first base in the same amount of time, one has excellent form and the other does not, which kid would you choose? Obviously you'd choose the child with the bad form. He can be coached and taught the way to properly run and will eventually beat the other outrun the other. Makes sense huh?
Affirmative action makes sense.



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Aug 20 2004 3:17PM
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QuickFlash7
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misterbinz thank you, ok number one all black people do not look up to capone and noraeaga. and i understand that there are plenty of poor white people as well. but as i said before, the majority are minorities. am i saying its fair to the white kid who doesnt get in ot college because of affirmative action? no, but the benefits outweigh the negatives. man for a website full of liberals im surprised so many of you are against it



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Aug 20 2004 4:44PM
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bigJ
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It still doesn't work and its still being argued. Thats like saying that if your sick we should bleed you after it has been proven that it doesn't work. Look at the facts and stop running around and being stupid in your liberal ideology. (for the facts look at my earlier post)

Now if affermative action was all about giving underprivlaged kids a chance then you should have them mark their household income on the applications rather then their race. But wait, that makes too much sense, why act on wether these people truely are disadvatnaged when we have perfectly good sterotypes to look at.(sarcasm) Think people, yall are all against racism and then you turn around and use these state sanctioned sterotypes, quite hypocritical if you ask me.




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Aug 20 2004 4:52PM
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QuickFlash7
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say it with me now....dem-o-graph-ics



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Aug 20 2004 5:08PM
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bigJ
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dude, there sterotypes, if i said black people are poor and underprivlaged then you would say that was a sterotype and not a demographic, and then i would be called a racist



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Aug 20 2004 5:33PM
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QuickFlash7
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no i wouldnt, if you said all black people are stupid troublemakers then i would call youa racist



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Aug 20 2004 6:03PM
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bigJ
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how is one a demographic and the other a sterotypes, they are both generalizations applied to a race?



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Aug 20 2004 7:10PM
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misterbinz
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'In three years after affermative action was gotten rid of in florida, california, and texas, minority enrolement has gone up by like 25-50%. That is proof that affermative action does not work, and you can't dispute that, it does not work.' - BigJ

That doesn't say anything about whether affirmative action works or not. You'll have to come up with some better statistics than that. Something that happens when affirmative action is not being used doesn't say anything about affirmative actions effectiveness. Even if it did, that doesn't mean that the increase in minority employment is caused by not having affirmative action. That statistic says nothing to me.

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Aug 20 2004 7:17PM
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J.D.
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It should say to you that since there is more minority enrollment without affirmative action than there was when it was in place, we're better off without it. The thing that I'm kind of skeptical about with regard to that statistic is that it doesn't seem to make sense that enrollment would jump so suddenly just because affirmative action was done away with. If changes in enrollment rates were to occur, common sense would dictate that it would take a lot longer to change by such an amount, maybe 10 years. This makes me think that there must have been some other force propelling the rate upwards.

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Aug 20 2004 7:22PM
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QuickFlash7
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bigj, demographics show, with facts, that the majority of people living in poor areas are minorities, it is not pressing any negative stigmas on them in itself, the negative stigmas of poor people come from sterotyping



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Aug 21 2004 8:35PM
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bigJ
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ok well lets look at your trouble makers(prision populations) and stupidity(educational scores/employment), wow to statments backed up by facts and they are streotypes, but they are true as demographics, i just think that the things you want as demographics are demographic and what you want as sterotypes are sterotypes



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Aug 21 2004 10:30PM
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QuickFlash7
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is their race making them trouble makers or their environment?



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Aug 21 2004 11:37PM
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you would think the job would go to the best applicant...
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and if we dont want racism raceshouldnt be taken into account anywhere
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Aug 22 2004 1:28AM
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its shit like this that makes us no better off than we were in the beginning in the century, even if the lens is reversed your still seein in black and white (maybe some shades of asian and hispanic too)
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Aug 22 2004 9:59AM
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QuickFlash7
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i agree that its reverse racism, but does affirmative action do more good than harm is the question



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