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This is heartbreaking.

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AOTEAROA
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Never felt so full of anger and such utter uselessness

http://www.blameitonthevoices.com/2011/06/photo-of-day-chief-raoni-crying.html


Sep 29 2011 5:17AM
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steezysteeze
Posts: 1739 - Karma: 1,012
What the fuck.
Sep 29 2011 6:16AM
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Conker
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two sides to every story. not saying one is right but hydro electric plant sounds legit. I don't understand why that much forest would need to be cut down for it tho.
Sep 29 2011 6:19AM
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Conker
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"That is, the death sentence of the peoples of Great Bend of the Xingu river is enacted."

Is that english? wtf does that mean?
Sep 29 2011 6:21AM
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JamesR
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inundate Verb/ˈinənˌdāt/ 1. Flood.
Sep 29 2011 6:40AM
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howlongcanausern
Posts: 4982 - Karma: 1,737
lol i'm sure that chief/his tribe has consumed electricity in some way so they should be thankful that their country is taking steps to produce more
Sep 29 2011 9:48AM
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Flying~Squirrel
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when they dam the river it floods a massive area above the dam, which creates the pressure to turn the turbines. problem is, as it is with almost every dam ever built, that there are lots of people and animals living in the area above the damn thats about to become a lake.
Sep 29 2011 12:08PM
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moms_favorite
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gtfo
Sep 29 2011 12:20PM
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49566738265
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Well that's an extremely one sided and biased caption.
Sep 29 2011 12:27PM
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RubberSoul
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uh yeah i'm here for the shit storm?
Sep 29 2011 12:30PM
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-emile-
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2 sides for a story ..
Sep 29 2011 12:37PM
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yuck
Posts: 8384 - Karma: 2,090
if any of you are interested

heres a petition you can sign

http://amazonwatch.org/take-action/stop-the-belo-monte-monster-dam
Sep 29 2011 1:49PM
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alztar
Posts: 358 - Karma: 30
What the fuck is wrong with using nuclear power?
Sep 29 2011 1:52PM
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JamesR
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If i did the math right, the damn will flood 1544.40863437 square miles. (disclaimer: my math probably isnt right)
Sep 29 2011 1:56PM
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Obi-Wan-Jenobi
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Well that sucks, but what about the millions of people in Rio without power for hours because some pigeon hit a power line. They need more power. But taht doesnt mean that the indians should get the shaft just give em some other land yo.
Sep 29 2011 2:01PM
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howlongcanausern
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disposing of the waste, gotta buy/import fuel
Sep 29 2011 2:17PM
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SkiThe603
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no that is not cool
Sep 29 2011 2:19PM
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sherwood4099
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As sad as it is who ever said there are always two sides is right. How many people will benefit vs the tribes who will lose cultural land? Modern times adapt or die out...
Sep 29 2011 2:31PM
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charmander
Posts: 10636 - Karma: 373
holocaust, poor jews get with the time k?

adapt or die out, come on, guy.
Sep 29 2011 4:57PM
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CassiusClay
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Not a logical argument.
Sep 29 2011 5:01PM
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charmander
Posts: 10636 - Karma: 373
i dont really give a shit, bro.

if i cant say that gay people shouldnt be annoying and flamboyant then its not ok to say that indigenous people need to adapt or die.
Sep 29 2011 5:05PM
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REVIVALz
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lol what is this even supposed to mean?

Sep 29 2011 5:07PM
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RubberSoul
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this is getting really off topic, but i thought at some point you said you were bi on these forums?
Sep 29 2011 5:12PM
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GILLSKI
Posts: 1250 - Karma: 361
Gay conversations in every thread for the last month.....enough already this thread is about the fucking Brazilians not gays
Sep 29 2011 5:18PM
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sherwood4099
Posts: 1173 - Karma: 22
Would adapt or fail be less controversial? Ididnt mean adapt or be exterminated. This has no relationship to the holocaust
Sep 29 2011 6:59PM
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las.
Posts: 1959 - Karma: 1,455
super shitty

and to the people saying two sides to a story, i would love to hear the other side..
Sep 29 2011 7:01PM
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Slippery_Gypsy
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this.
Sep 29 2011 7:08PM
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howlongcanausern
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'The environmental impact study estimated that 41,000 jobs will be created during the 10 years of construction, including 18,700 direct and 25,000 indirect jobs, according to a government fact sheet on Belo Monte. People are already moving in, registering for employment, according to the National Employment Service offices in Altamira, Para.'

also: clean, renewable energy for a growing world power

source:

http://www.latinbusinesschronicle.com/app/article.aspx?id=4789
Sep 29 2011 7:08PM
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AOTEAROA
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I'll say that when I have a loaded gun to your head.
Sep 30 2011 12:18AM
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AOTEAROA
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God this is painful to read. How in gods earth is this considered clean?!? For fucks sakes. there's more important things that generated jobs. Modern 'progression' is nothing more the degression as far as I'm concerned. People never learn. People like you make my blood boil. Never think beyond your own culture, it's pathetic.
Sep 30 2011 12:22AM
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paulgenovese
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UMADBRO
Sep 30 2011 1:21AM
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las.
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There are other, better ways.
Sep 30 2011 1:30AM
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las.
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To generate electricity, smartass
Sep 30 2011 1:36AM
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las.
Posts: 1959 - Karma: 1,455
Nuclear.
Sep 30 2011 1:50AM
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TOAST.
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I was also under this impression at one point?
Sep 30 2011 1:53AM
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TOAST.
Posts: 7511 - Karma: 36,436
found it
https://www.newschoolers.com/ns/forums/readthread/thread_id/377667
Sep 30 2011 1:57AM
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49566738265
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Oh good, you've done some professional engineering and come up with a cost/benefit analysis. Share.

Places that are prime for hydro have already been tapped, or will be tapped soon enough. It's gonna happen. Benefits will always outweigh the costs in that sector.
Sep 30 2011 2:11AM
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las.
Posts: 1959 - Karma: 1,455
That's just like, your opinion man. But hey, whatever makes us the most money eh!
Sep 30 2011 2:14AM
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49566738265
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No not really an opinion, I did a capstone on it. But hey, whatever silly comments show you don't have anything intelligent to say!
Sep 30 2011 2:19AM
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AOTEAROA
Posts: 2216 - Karma: 15
I would be the first to throw my computer away if it meant the world could live again.
Sep 30 2011 2:31AM
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las.
Posts: 1959 - Karma: 1,455
>Write university level paper
>Think opinions mean something
Sep 30 2011 2:37AM
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AOTEAROA
Posts: 2216 - Karma: 15
WRONG. Brought up, trained and enculcated by western society will lead you to these conclusions. The sad thing is that university education is solely based on western science, therefore compassion gets disregarded. Emotions/life are everything. Modern societal "benefits" are superficial and temporary. Costs will always outweigh the benefits. Hugely.
Sep 30 2011 2:49AM
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Morgen.
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i signed the petition (:


feelsgoodman.
Sep 30 2011 2:57AM
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fujarome
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so what you're saying is that their culture is right, whereas ours is wrong?


I actually agree with you in this thread...it's a shame that it's happening to these people. But I'm just curious about these points, because it seems like you're saying we need to tolerate and learn about all other cultures...except our own, which we should do away with.
Sep 30 2011 9:18AM
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eljusto.
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Really, it's called nuclear power... Or are you that retarded?
Sep 30 2011 12:40PM
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howlongcanausern
Posts: 4982 - Karma: 1,737
why you mad tho? i'll elaborate further on why this is a good call for Brazil:

i live in a county that own three dams. (well actually four but one is pretty small) it's pretty kickass:

we have a 7 million dollar budget surplus,

our county sells power to other cities on the west coast (we producer of electricity rather than a consumer),

cheap 100 mbps upload/download fiber-optic internet (maintained by the PUD),

this November the county will own one dam with no debt,

and a unionized public utility district that employs a few thousand people that provides healthcare for the employees family and 'prevailing wage' pay.

when the county built these dams we had to flood some native american sites where they had painted on the rocks etc etc. sure it's a sad reality but the tribes were not making productive use of the land...i know this sounds wrong but it's the truth.

also if you think modern progression is wrong i suggest you get off the INTERNET and stop using your COMPUTER.
Sep 30 2011 12:48PM
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smuggs
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yea productive use of the land is obviously not living without electricity, off the land, cut off from the bull shit. you are right!

this theory is literally like some other opinionated group coming in and blowing up the twin towers because it doesn't fit in with their opinions of a productive life style. wait.....
Sep 30 2011 1:06PM
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howlongcanausern
Posts: 4982 - Karma: 1,737
just because somebody has a differing opinion doesn't mean they're a terrorist. building a dam wasn't meant to kill anybody either.

again, wtf is up with people bashing electricity/modern society using highly sophisticated computer networks and personal computers? it seems self-defeating
Sep 30 2011 1:15PM
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KyleA
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Governments do not want to insure nuclear power plants and there is much more profit in hydro and wind power generation.  Would you rather they put a nuclear facility next to the river?
Sep 30 2011 1:17PM
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