Heaven...

....batten down the hatches a shit storm's a brewin

These paragraphs show that you know very little about the religions your calling out. If you were trying to start a religious shit storm congrats, mission accomplished.

yes, you did imply both of those things.

fair statement man, i would be against people who don't know anything about a subject making assumptions as well.

To the beginning, nah I didn't. I really don't follow traditions rituals and beliefs. As far as general holidays, I'll go to eat with my family. Has nothing to do with religion, just the fact that if they're all going to get together and I don't see them often why wouldn't I go. It really was just saying that if that's what you're into you're doing it wrong. Nothing more nothing less. Didn't say anything about me partying or having a better life in that section.

But you said that nothing else matter except having a relationship with God. I was just replying off of that.


Good for you. Not my basis for beliefs but one section of problems I see.

Not supposed to use every "christian" as a perfect example, but still seeing soooo many hypochristians doesn't help. Also when people claim they "KNOW" something like that but fail to be able to comprehend other things without bias.

See this a lot with politics. So close minded that whatever a rep does is right whatever a dem does is wrong. Even when you pull up fact after fact you can't burst their bubble. They can't debate the facts, they can only yell if you don't agree with them. Those are the marking of an ignorant close minded person.

If you're claiming to "know" something that I feel can't be known, and you damn well can't prove, IT's pretty fucking stupid that you don't believe something that can be proven with simple facts.


Again christians as individuals and even large chunks are something I can't take 100% for an accurate example of the religion. Just saying that some of these trends are fucking massive. If this religion is true and everything, you'd think that number would at least be a small minority at best. That's one of the reasons I take offense to them telling me about "the truth". Most of the people are so terribly close minded that if they have a pre conceived belief that is wrong, no fact you could tell them could change their mind. Having people like that judge me pisses me off. If you haven't questioned everything you believe in, how do you know what you believe is true. It's just a blind belief backed by nothing. The same as if you never were told that santa wasn't real. Guarding your hearts and minds instead end up being a filtration system to shield anything that doesn't fit with the belief. If you block out anything different then you're never open to finding out you were wrong. IF you're not open to be proven wrong then you can't be sure that what you believe is true. IF you still believe it is true, then my 2 cents would be that' you're ignorant.

Now a lot of that wasn't directed at you, I was just giving more of a backing for my reasons. I feel like if you KNOW something like that you should at least be somewhat open a little bit at least even if you're guarded to evil. Oh yeah and I quoted the fast and the furious because you're post reminded me of that line

I going to thugs mansion

i think this thread has gone about as far as it can without people violently stepping on each other's toes.

Didn't see any violence coming but whatever.

How's the tuna? Every day for the last 3 weeks you've come in here and asked how the tuna was, it was crappy yesterday it was crappy the day before and guess what nothins changed.

I like the tuna.

Bullshit asshole, noone likes the tuna here.

He aint here for the food.


What'd you put in that sandwich?


I almost had you. Almost had me? You never had me, you never had your car. Ask any racer, any real racer. It don't matter weather you win by an inch or a mile, winnings winning.

i didn't mean between us. i just felt like the argument was kind of exhausted and that we exercised all of the points we wanted to get out.

I BET HE RAPED THEM ALL LOL.

insert 2 cents here

Heaven is a state of mind during (?and after?) your death. If you have done some things that you shouldn't have. If you have hurt someone. all of that will come back when you die. thats why they tell you not to do so. im too lazy to go crazy and convince you but thats what i think.
personally, if you are having a good time doing it and its a positive environment for all parties involved then why not. drink and smoke as much as you can.
to live is rare because most of the human race is dead. enjoy your few years here because life is short as fuck. wether you believe in something after death or not. there is a line between living and existing, find it and cross that shit.
hey OP why not make the most of your living years so you have something to talk about when you're in heaven.

Live your fucking life! giver 110%. you wont regret it, i promise.

/2cents

Think about the idea of heaven: A place you have to be good to get into.

I think that the entire of concept behind heaven is just preparation for death. Like, you can't bring your money or your cars into the "next" life, if there is one, and you can't possibly know what comes after death (if anything). But if you can take anything, it will be your mind, as in the experiences you've had, who you are in the purest sense, etc. So if you live a good life, it will better prepare you for whatever may come after death, if anything; those who master self-discipline, responsibility, treating others well etc are the most likely to do well in the next life. Many of the basic ideas that the Bible preaches would be useful in any situation, maybe even in the next life.

Ladies and Gentleman of NS. observe this post. It's not about rules or principles or objective truth. It's about one's relationship with their god. You can't reason people out of beliefs they haven't been reasoned into. To take a ridiculous example, you wouldn't go to Hitler and be like, "No no, listen, all of the available evidence shows that Jews are the same as any other humans." (I'm not equating Christians to Hitler by the way)Because Hitler's beliefs didn't come from some flawed studies he read on Jews or observation or anything like that. It was just bigotry. Religious belief is a process of familial and cultural influence in addition to personal preferences. No where is it based on objectively measurable or logically valid principles or evidence. You can't argue anyone out of that.

good post

But if you believe the cell threory, that a cell must come from another cell, then where did the first cell come from?

lol there is probably like 1 person in heaven if those are the rules...

Jesus Christ

well gee golly it must have been god himself! or wait, maybe harry potter? no no...darth vader perhaps. No that's not right either, maybe the wicked witch of the west sneezed, and that thing from the never ending story farted, meanwhile princess leia came, and from the big bang theory we can make the reasonable assumption that this process of magical events created the first life form. Worship me bitches.

More then likely, pure raw organic chemistry, simple structures, that perform a chemical reaction in the presence of oxygen, H2o, solar energy. Everything is based off a chemical reaction. Look at photosynthesis, and chemosynthesis. Chemosynthesis communities exist today in completely impossible (to the human mind) environments. 10,000ft under the ocean, pitch blackness, some even in temps north of 1000 degrees. So it's also totally feasible these initial reactions/structures were extra terrestrial. I'm just looking at the physical evidence, and what is actually possible and plausible to base my own personal understanding. All that shit is so much more interesting than religion anyway (to me).

I believe that there is no way an honestly good person will end up in hell, I'm not saying that they lived like a saint their entire life, but stood up for what they believe in and respect for the world around them. Actually, I think there's honestly no hell- or heaven. People die, but their souls never do. You can never really die. And all these conflicts about the differences between religons? Incredibly stupid. People are too ignorant to see that most religons stem off of the same concepts and the religons which offer the most spiritual freedom are not actually religons at all.