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Fischer Vacuum Fit

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coolflippers
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What's up with this? I see a local dealer with it, but Fischer doesn't have a centered stance boot for Vacuum Fit.
Sep 26 2011 12:39AM
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cobra_commander
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Its a way to sell shops a $6000 machine. why?
Sep 26 2011 1:16AM
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coolflippers
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it sounds really nice
Sep 26 2011 9:19PM
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blatt
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its supposedly the easiest way to mold a shell 100% to someone's feet, and the shops probably did their fair share of research before purchasing said machine.
Sep 26 2011 9:40PM
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cobra_commander
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Research being what? We don't know how to fit a ski boot? It still forces you into a 'soma fit' boot.
I just don't see the ROI on a $6000 machine anytime soon. That is a lot of boots you need to sell, all fischers (although you could probably do it to any other boot).
I have never really had much trouble getting people the right fit, by a) putting them in the right shell, and b) doing simple modifications to the liner and shell.

much a due about nothing.

Oh, and I could probably build that machine or something that is effectively the same for $500...
Sep 26 2011 9:51PM
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NinetyFour
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Lol no kidding. It's probably your grandmas 30 year old oven and an air compressor sandwiched together. They gave it a paint job and some badass decals, and there you have it. I'd like to see how well these boots hold up as they're formulated outta some different plastic, at least thats the impression powder magazine gave me!
Sep 26 2011 10:46PM
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En_Route
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your just the shit aren't you. jeezez.
Sep 27 2011 12:35AM
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onenerdykid
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Putting my boot-fitter-only hat on here, I have the same opinion. That's a lot of Fischer-only boots to sell before you can pay off that machine...

Plus, just like Custom Shell, you still have to punch and grind certain areas. So, it's really just an extra step in the boot-fitting process to get the same result.
Sep 27 2011 5:44AM
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Pipe_Munky
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What about a hardgoods-buyer hat on where Fischer gives you the machine for buying "x-number" of boots.

Just like custom shell it's a unique way of doing things. Like a fair bit of bootfitting gimmicks it seems like just more smoke and mirrors.
Sep 27 2011 9:21AM
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onenerdykid
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Don't you have to buy 100 pairs per door? That's how it is over here in Euroland, and I don't know many single shops that sell 100 Fischer boots per year, let alone 100 Vacuum boots...
Sep 27 2011 10:17AM
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Pipe_Munky
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yeah that's what i heard

i know a couple of shops that bought that deep.
Sep 27 2011 10:50AM
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cobra_commander
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100 pair was the number here.
Sep 27 2011 12:03PM
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Blurst
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As a boot fitter the custom shell system has come in handy a few times. Mainly with bitchy fat people who have feet to wide to ever be comfortable in the proper length shell size. I think that it is more of a placebo effect than anything but it still sells boots.
Sep 27 2011 12:04PM
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Pipe_Munky
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if you think it's a placebo then i wouldn't say you know all that much about boots.

if you did, you'd know that in the world of fitting a millimeter is a mile when it comes to widths. if you're dealing with "bitchy fat people" you're probably putting them in the wrong boot to begin with. you don't put someone with a 100mm foot into a 98mm last and expect them to be happy.

even though salomon was never my "go to" boot, if i was selling a boot with custom shell i always used the system. why not? even a tiny little bit of movement in the shell will mean a world of difference to the customer.
Sep 27 2011 12:42PM
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cobra_commander
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I put my 106mm (size 8/26) foot in a couple 98mm wide boots over the years and expected to be happy. I was, but my feet hurt like a motherfucker.
Sep 27 2011 1:02PM
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Blurst
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Alright I must have said my piece wrong. The placebo effect I was talking about was more about people coming in and wanting their 3 year old boots "heat molded" (not the shell just the liner).

I never said that I was putting people in boots that are too small width wise. I was just talking about people who come in with 106 ish lasts and a 27.5 shell. It is tough to find a boot for someone like that. Also these people are not the experienced skiers that are willing to make a boot work, they want to come in, find something that feels good, leave and never come back.

The custom shells are my go to boot when fitting someone because they do feel better. To be honest I wouldn't know because I have a slender long foot so I have never personally needed to or wanted to buy a boot to go through the shell molding process.
Sep 27 2011 1:04PM
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cobra_commander
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Keep in mind that custom shell fits noticeably bigger in the shop then on the ski hill.
Sep 27 2011 1:19PM
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Blurst
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Yep, as soon as it hits snow it tightens right up. Many boots are like that though especially with the stiffness.
Sep 27 2011 1:30PM
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