Creatine+ NO Explode= bigger stompage

i facepalmed at that comment also

it does, but are you an olympic styled weight lifter or a 100m sprinter? Then there isn't much point in taking it. Unless your skiing consists of just one run in the park a day.

i feel like i should jump in here but i wont

also, creatine is really hard on the kidneys and if you drink any caffine during your day it is ineffective.

dont forget the hair gel.

No, that is a child's explanation of the effects of creatine. Have you studied the subject or are you being a smartass? I legitimately can't tell, but I have written papers on creatine. Creatine is an acid formed from proteins found in meat. It assists in the creation of ATP (muscle fuel essentially), but it's typically very difficult to eat enough chicken breast to get 5 grams of creatine a day. Supplementing a pure creatine powder has been proven with science (not some 10th graders opinion) to increase a person's anaerobic performance (because that's when you use ATP).

haha my friend deffinately got his from a made in china place no doubt

huh? you think it only helps you for 60 seconds per day? are you high?


curiously, where do people get their info on the effects of supplements?

I get my info from my degree in Kinesiology And no not 60 seconds a day, but I'm saying in skiing you will be using a completely different energy system. And if you'd be better off using something else.

so all you did was party in college?

Nutritionist at the Australian Institute of Sport.

this thread is one big claimfest.

well were at it, i was on the cover of musclemag lastweek. so FUUU

were you really

alright man, if you want to take it and think it works, all the power to you. Just from what I've covered in school I don't really seeing any real benefits to it for simply going out and skiing.

you studied the motion of the human body. you mustof taken a bunch of chem and bio! i mean if thats the athletes #1 major of choice its gotta be demanding and in depth!

then you are most likely regurgitating the info wrong, at times. Creatine WILL increase anaerobic strength over a few repetions, over your baseline strength regardless of if you work out or not. HOWEVER, just like roids, you dont get even close to the full benefit if you dont train and eat right. cheers!!

Wow I'm sorry I don't even remember posting that.
But she probably lied to make me actually train haha

there are plenty of amazingly good skiers that do not work out, so i think ill focus on my skiing more than anything else.

and there were plenty of good football players before they worked out too...

in my opinion, to get better at skiing you gotta conquer your mind, and then your body will follow. Kinda like golf in that right. Plenty of great golfers work out, and plenty dont.

haha quality vid from californiagrown

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I can’t really tell if you’re being sarcastic. I have one semester left in my degree and I have found it extremely difficult in some aspects, others not as much. And if you’re trying to imply that my program is full of jocks and meat heads, that is not the case.  I’ll admit exercise physiology is one of the courses I did find challenging, and it is by no means my calling.

But lets just clarify, are you wanting to use it as part of your training for skiing or for skiing itself?

Now this is why I think you would be wasting your time and money using creatine for skiing. I’m sure you are aware that creatine is generally used as a supplement by power athletes such as weightlifters to enhance stores of high-energy compound creatine phosphate in the muscles, in theory the more creatine phosphate in your body the more you can train right? And yes, some studies suggest that creatine supplementation may enhance high-intensity strength training, but other studies have found no increase in strength with creatine supplementation, so its pretty controversial that if it does anything at all in terms of actual performance (not just increase mass). I think there was a study with an obstacle course and navy seals and they showed no benefits in performance with creatine supplements when compared to a placebo. And it’s a bit a safety concern too, no long term studies have been conducted on the safety of creatine supplementation.

I know creatine phosphate has an essential role in energy metabolism in the formation of ATP by rephosphoeylating ADP. But what I’m saying is the way in which most of us ski we would more use the glycolotic system not the, ATP-PC system, my logic for this is just the duration. Like if you were say an Olympic mogul skier, yes, I think there would be potential benefits to creatine supplements cause you do what a 30 second run, bam, you’re done. But the majority of park/ big mountain skiers will go for like 3+ hours of skiing, yes, it’s a low intensity so maybe you can have some on reserve. But I never really find when I’m skiing park that there is a time where I used 100% of my physical strength to produce force. Like I get what you mean when you say power out on a backseat landing, but I’m not sure that really is applicable because its more testing an eccentric and isometric muscles stability or the integrity of your ACL. And also, using creatine wouldn’t really improve your maximum power output would it? More just how long you could sustain it, 20% is it? And like I’ve had a few runs where I’ve gone hard, but I don’t think I’ve ever skied or been in a position to have be in 100% effort for more than 5 seconds. Get what I mean?

  And if you’re doing any hiking or work to get around the mountain I think you would move onto another energy system than the ATP-PC as its really only for 5-15 seconds. And I guess if were just hucking one cliff you might use the ATP-PC system, but like it would be really hard to control that because most of these locations require quite a bit of energy to get to. And marathon runners can train their body to reserve their ATP-PC system till the end of their race, but that would require more training of the oxidative system, which might not be that useful to skiing.

I was kinda on the same boat as you this summer, I tried to make the majority of my training target the ATP-PC system. But what I found water ramping this summer despite only being for short durations, I tired too quickly to get the volume in to make me a better skier.  I found that I was better off developing my other systems. But I guess that’s where you were going with by having a supplement but there is a saturation limit. And I think we would tap out with our type of skiing and I’d just rather focus on other ways that I think would improve my skiing more. Agree or disagree, that’s just how I see it, I’ve never used the supplements nor have met anyone who used them for skiing so I guess its not fair for me to judge. I’d be interested to hear how you found it this season.

sorry that was in response to california grown,

really? I could absolutely tell the difference in my ability to stomp cliffs last year when i bumped my squat up 75 lbs. like when you hit that cliff and when you land you start to compress your ass to tails? ya, i was physically able to stop that, and then pop right back to an aggressive stance. I was never able to do that until i bumped my strength up.


and powering out of a backseat landing is essentially do a glute-ham raise...exact same movment. So gaining anaerobic, maximal strength is super important. Especially if you want your muscle to take the brunt of the force instead of other tissues that dont repair so quickly...yadidamean??


yes creatine does increase your one rep max, as well as your 5 rep max...which is helpful when you bring a 20 footer out of the backseat and then immediatly make a turn to avoid a tree, then pop forward for that second 10 footer, land and then have enough strength left to make a big ol nimbus slash.

i dont ski park, and i dont know about you, but there are def situations where its not my technique that is holding me back, but its my physical limitations. As well, how can you call yourself a kinesiologist if you dont think an increase in muscle, with little increase in overall mass, will support, and help prevent injuries to the joints?


Almost lastly, kinesiology as a major is on par with comm in terms of the pure ease with which you can earn your degree. there is a reason, a large chunk of a D1 football team will be kinesiology majors. Though whats hard for some is easy for others, so its all relative.


lastly, im def gonna load some creatine at some point this season(usually takes me 3-4 days to experience full effects) just to see how much my skiing is influenced.

Im also gonna have a bro day, where i take a couple 4loko's up with me, combine them with a preworkout, throw it in a camelback, and become the blackout menace on-mountain.


So next seasoon, in the tahoe area, if you see a guy try and tackle a tree at full speed, or puke on takeoff then stomp a cliff...its probly me.

OK man, there are allot of specifics that I don't agree with, and obviously there is some misunderstanding to what I was trying to say.   But I won't argue with you about this anymore. We could keep nit picking at each others posts, but this is way too time consuming. Each their own.

 But don't be so quick to discredit other people's degrees. D1 football means absolutely nothing since I go to school in Canada but I know what you're saying, but academic exceptions don't happen here like in the NCAA school. At UBC the Kin program requires a 87% out of highschool, and is the most competitive for entrance and a large percentage of the students move on to physio or medschool. I've worked hard, and so have the majority of my peers in my program.