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The best way to honor 9/11 victims this 10th anniversary

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eldridge
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Demand the truth about building 7.

Sep 4 2011 11:37AM
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b.utters
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Not sure if this has been pointed out yet because I cbf reading this entire thread but:

Think about how many people you would need to set this all up.

Now think how hard it would be to keep that many people quiet.

I doubt it's a government conspiracy.
Sep 7 2011 8:43AM
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eldridge
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for the 1000000000th time i did not implicate anyone, especially not the government in bringing down WTC7. I did implicate them in doing a piss poor investigation of what happened and calling it truth though.
Sep 7 2011 9:39AM
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eldridge
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the only conclusion i made was that the NIST report was inept. Please tell me you dont think it was.
Sep 7 2011 9:40AM
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Jamestown
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I think the best way for you to honor the victims is by having all your conspiracy theorists commit mass suicide. You first.


I mean, it's for the sake of the gene pool. You said your parents were fuck ups, let's nip this one in the bud.
Sep 7 2011 10:03AM
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eldridge
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all my conspiracy theorists....lol....yeah i own everyone who has ever questioned anything. Its pretty comical that youre upset about the honoring of the victims thing, but then you ask a group of people even larger than 3000 to commit suicide. Im sure you consider yourself a patriot and im sure you love this country, but its pretty contradictory to ask people who dont agree with you to commit suicide.

Its funny that nobody wants to challenge my claim (the only conclusion i made) that the NIST report is inept.

BTW, the expression is "nip it in the butt" not bud.

Sep 7 2011 10:17AM
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Jamestown
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Ok, it's bud, not butt. Why would you nip something in the butt to prevent it from growing into a bigger problem? Figuratively speaking, you would nip something in the bud, such as a budding plant, and then that stops it from getting any bigger. (What!? Logical explanation for something plainly obvious!?!)

And I'll challenge your claim if you want someone to:

It's false.
Sep 7 2011 10:23AM
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eldridge
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I just remember hearing the expression on teh Cosby show all the time and i thought bill said butt. I apologize for incorrectly calling you out.

so youre saying the NIST report was a satisfactory investigation? They didnt leave anything out? They tested for everything that needed to be tested for?

Sep 7 2011 10:34AM
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Jamestown
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Yup.

Now when your argument consists of more than a youtube video with some old fuck from SAG (since when does SAG know anything about anything?) I'll believe you.



Actually no I won't, you're fucking stupid. Go back to the fucking hills of NC, fuck your sister, and talk to your grandma about how she remembers when she still owned slaves.
Sep 7 2011 10:42AM
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eldridge
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i dont get why youre so mad. If you honestly believe that the NIST report is adequate, then you arent even worth arguing with.

"Profanity is a sign of the weak mind tying to express itself forcefully"

Sep 7 2011 10:51AM
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Jamestown
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If you post pictures of your steamroller ON THE INTERNET, you aren't worth arguing with.
Sep 7 2011 10:56AM
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eldridge
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that makes a whole lotta sense dude. My personal matters have absolutely nothing to due with my position on WTC7.

Sep 7 2011 11:04AM
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Jamestown
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Except that you were high after using said steamroller, watched some video on the internet and said, "WHOA, this shit has to be real...I'm gonna post it on NS."


You're ignorant. I'm leaving.
Sep 7 2011 11:08AM
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eldridge
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just keep on never questioning anyone or thing in power, go to sleep to the sound of the war drums.
Sep 7 2011 11:13AM
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Leeyum
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Just because your argument is clearly wrong doesn't mean he or anyone else here backs down to mishandled authority when needed. Your argument is clearly wrong and you sound like a pretentious douchebag. Also I love how you comment that swearing is a sign of weakness and your first reply is "shut the fuck up". Please stop making yourself look foolish and let the thread die....
Sep 7 2011 12:25PM
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feihlination
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building 5 & 6:

Click for larger image



they both were BETWEEN 1/2 and 7.


THATS HOW BUILDING LOOK THAT SUFFERED PARTIAL DAMAGE THROUGH FALLING DEBRIS AND SMALLER FIRES. THEY JUST DONT COLLAPSE.

USE YOUR GODDAMN COMMON SENSE GUYS.



Sep 7 2011 12:27PM
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PacificRimJob
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I personally tend to look at most things pretty damn critically, including 911... and yes, there are many questions that have not been answered about it to this day.

I refuse to believe it was a US government sanctioned attack or anything of that sort. There's far too much circumstantial evidence involved as the primary link between the government, and an attack.

If there was any higher institution involved, I would have to say that it not only came from outside of the USA for the most part, and worked mostly in tandem with al Queda to achieve the eventual results.



On top of that, there's ABSOLUTELY no way that BUSH or CHEANEY had any direct link to the situation. There's just no freaking way. If anything it came in the form of some sort of anti-administration coup, or perhaps some sort of american radical anarchist group - neither of which would have strong ties to the US government.

Are there many questions to be answered? Sure. But is the conspiracy as far of a reach as people have conceived it to be? No fucking way... That's like saying the moon landings were fake - it's just silly.




And on that note, I hope for the future of humanity, that nothing like this happens again...
Sep 7 2011 12:34PM
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PacificRimJob
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Here's my question to you...

WHO THE FUCK CARES... Half the stuff that businesses and governments fund is inept. Human error IS allowed. Stop asking for some silly perfection...

And to completely slander you, the fact that you're creating this whole bitchfest on the internet just shows your actual ineptitude... If you held any merit in the world, you'd actually do something about it...


Sep 7 2011 1:02PM
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feihlination
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i dont think that this is about "human errors".
Sep 7 2011 1:07PM
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.Blake.
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I normally keep my mouth shut on controversial subjects but since this one strikes so close to home I will give my opinion.

This is by far the worst way to honor the people lost on that day. I say this because it focuses on speculations of events that may or may not have happened on that day. The best way to honor these men and women is to remember them for who they were, not by what happened.

Take for instance Welles Crowther, a man who is probably all too similar to a lot of us in here. These are the stories we need to remember to honor the lost loved ones.


Sep 7 2011 1:16PM
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eldridge
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"silly imperfection". Now WTC7 didnt kill anyone directly by collapsing, but it contributed to the lethal dust which has given so many firefighters and first responders all kinds of gruesome cancers. It is in that which WTC7 has contributed to the total death toll from 9/11. If that is not reason alone for a thorough investigation of what happened to WTC7, then idk what is.
Sep 7 2011 1:29PM
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eldridge
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you are absolutely right. My title is in poor taste, and i regret choosing best instead of good. However i must disagree that it is the worst way, because it is clear that anwsers are out there, and a thorough investigation could uncover them.

Thst being said, the title of this thread is in poor taste and for which I apologize.

Sep 7 2011 1:33PM
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sherwood4099
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Prove it? You really just fucking blow hot air in these treads. At least some people have facts to bring to the table. You make blatant generalizations which prove i think that you are so wrapped up in this conspiracy you actually consider yourself some kind of source on the information.
Sep 7 2011 1:37PM
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darsh.
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PLAY JENGA:D
Sep 7 2011 1:48PM
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Ski_the_east01
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fuck you
Sep 7 2011 1:50PM
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ThaLorax
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If there's no way that our government would intentionally provoke a false flag operation like this, then why did we order the USS Maddox into enemy waters in 1964, knowing that doing so would not end in peace?
Sep 7 2011 2:40PM
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ThaLorax
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But seriously, this thread shouldn't be about debating conspiracies. Pay some respect to the families. Internet debating will serve no justice.
Sep 7 2011 2:45PM
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PacificRimJob
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Comparing the Gulf of Tonkin incident to 911? Really Nick? Come on now lol...
Sep 7 2011 3:10PM
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StevenR
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You keep saying that, and I agree with you in every way, but in the context of this thread it doesn't really make sense, since the op WAS about a conspiracy theory. The guy who posted it had to know it would go in that direction and it was obviously the point of this thread (or he wanted people to demand the truth or whatever).
Sep 7 2011 3:44PM
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sherwood4099
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He was just trying to soak up 9/11 attention and interest that peaks around the anniversary.

Did a good job too, even disguised it as a memorial to draw in people who would otherwise never open this junk having heard it all for the last 10 years...

We are going to have to hear about this conspiracy crap every year until we are dead because it is the epicenter of some peoples political world.
Sep 7 2011 3:49PM
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95959
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Lemme first say I have no idea what the actual truth is, but it can't hurt to investigate further. People get way too up in arms about the whole 9/11 thing and I don't think they realize that it kind of fuels the "crazy conspiracy theorists."
Sep 7 2011 3:55PM
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sherwood4099
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Doesn't matter what you do people will never be satisfied. Especially when its so profitable to push propaganda like "Loose Change" to halfwits
Sep 7 2011 3:58PM
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feihlination
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i just say that other buildings which were closer (and i guess we would all agree that this means more damage through debris) didnt collapsed like through a controlled explosion.

thats all.

i see 3 buildings. 2 of which were hit harder than the third one. the first two collapse partially and look somehow like you would expect them to look like.

then the 3rd which is standing farther away all of a sudden collapses like in a fucking movie, as beautiful as it could possibly do.


idk about you. but i think there is something missing there. it fucks my mind to think about who did it or whatever, but the official story regarding building 7 is not true. believe this thousand engineers and architects or your common sense, its up to you.

i dont think thats "blowing hot air".


and i dont consider myself a source of information. but i do look my info up myself. i dont go to some fucked up conspiracy website or whatever and read some fuckhead talking crap, i look at pictures, newspaper articles and all those cellphone/digicam vids of that day that are available.
Sep 7 2011 4:05PM
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PurpleDino
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Here's the thing though.  A lot of people, including myself, hold the government to a higher standard.  Our tax dollars end up supporting these groups like NIST that work for the government.  If that group does an inadequate job, they get criticized heavily.  I would rather have "tax" money go to a private company to do the research and gather data because I trust them more.  When I give someone money, I expect them to do their job correctly.  When the government takes our money, they sure as hell better do a better than adequate job.

Little things like this is what causes people to distrust their government.  When the government run organizations fail to do their jobs correctly, it's tax payers' money that is being wasted.  Not many people like investing money and then losing it.
Sep 7 2011 4:09PM
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sherwood4099
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It is blowing hot air... sitting around watching grainy news footage and cellphone videos and drawing your own conclusions then acting like your conclusions (drawn with no expertise or any type of scientific process) are worth anything or mean anything is literally hot air and BS.

On top of that you "do your own research, and look it all that crap up and not from fuckheads" you say.

SO CITE SOMETHING

Also you seem near illiterate there are probably better ways you can spend your time then all your highly in depth citizen research, like engrish classes
Sep 7 2011 4:14PM
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RubberSoul
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..yeah, because bush would obviously be the one sitting down and figuring out the logistics for a plan like this..... i know that wasn't supposed to be a serious or main argument of yours but come on..


anyway i dont know what side i'm on but from what i know i wouldnt be that surprised if there was something going on... all kinds of shady shit goes down every single day in every government in the world, the people who don't think that's true are even more naive than the most hardcore, annoying conspiracy theorists
Sep 7 2011 4:16PM
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feihlination
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yes, english is not my first language. why would you need to bring this up?

one constant thing: bashing on me personally for trying to discuss something. NS has never been this fucked up.
Sep 7 2011 4:17PM
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Lax_Bro40
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Remember those who died, and remember those who are dying right now in response to the attack.
Sep 7 2011 4:18PM
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sherwood4099
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What a whiny dodge, I'm sorry for insulting your spelling etc but come on answer my question. Can you cite anything or am i right you actually think your analysis of youtube videos is some kind of research in itself?  Where are these "non-conspiracy/ fuckhead websites" at which you do all your own research? Can you even cite one?  You would think would be cranking them out to prove your point considering how strong a stance you have on this wingnut theory.
Sep 7 2011 4:22PM
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feihlination
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i said that i didnt use "these" websites, and honestly none at all, since i feel like all this stuff is either too extreme or too conservative. i feel like noone talks about these issues calmy and objectively.

i just try to look up pictures of all possible angles on a subject on google, yeah i could shake a link out right now but googling "pentagon 9/11" or "wtc 7" and browse through a few hundred results will give you what i had. then i look up other crash sites of airplanes. also examples where airplanes hit villages/houses (like in queens in '01).


i also watched youtube vids that are available. then i looked up all the airplane types which were involved on wiki.

i looked up melting temperatures for steel, i looked at controlled demolitions on youtube, other examples of burning steel-core skyscrapers.

youtubing the keywords i mentioned, wiki and picture-googling them will show all "evidence" i had. i know, bullshit sources, but i dont want to read from people that have nothing else to do than bash each others beliefs.

please say that i am a moron, i would appreciate that, but idk when exactly it was outlawed to inform themselves on a matter and build an own opinion. i bet that the majority of the people that call me a dumbfuck didnt informed themselves even half as good as i did. especially since i didnt use loose change or some other conspiracy theory movie/site as a starting point.



in a country where nazis can literally do anything they want, idk why someone would try to stop me from stating my opinion.
(i apologize for this sentence, it has nothing to do with the subject)




again, i dont give a flying horseshit who is responsible for 9/11 since i am 100% sure that the official version will never be changed. but i and thousands of more qualified people feel like some questions are unanswered. by not allowing an independent source review the facts (and by destroying the evidence) these questions wont be answered.

Sep 7 2011 4:40PM
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ThaLorax
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Comparing a declassified false flag operation to a potential false flag operation. Yes, really.

Anyways, this thread was fun.
Sep 7 2011 4:44PM
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PacificRimJob
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Bad comparison man, that's all I'm saying lol.
Sep 7 2011 4:46PM
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ThaLorax
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how is comparing two examples of the idea that a gov't allowed an attack on itself and blames someone else for it as a pretext for war a bad example?
Sep 7 2011 4:48PM
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sherwood4099
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So you took a bunch of raw data (if you can even call it that, considering it was youtube and wiki) and with absolutely no expertise made a shit ton of assumptions that coincidentialy are based on established conspiracy theories. That is pretty much the opposite of informing yourself. And makes you seem desperate to prove anything but the established story.


Sep 7 2011 4:53PM
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sherwood4099
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And your confused why your opinion isn't taken serriously. There is no right in this country to have your opinion respected just because its your opinion. So i have very little moral issue with shitting on you stop whining
Sep 7 2011 4:54PM
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feihlination
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never heard about that in our history. very interesting when you think about it. also with the whole iraqi thingy and the non-existant ABC weapons, its safe to say that official reasons for the US to start a war were pretty questionable the last 50 years.
Sep 7 2011 4:54PM
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PacificRimJob
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Biggest difference - In the Gulf of Tonkin incident, the Maddox was able to pummel the crap out of the NVN torpedo boats from 18 times the effective range of said boats' adequate firing distance, and then call in for air support which further damaged them. They knew they were pretty dang safe, AND there were no civilians involved...

It's one thing to put an armoured ship, piloted by the military off the coast of a potentially hostile nation.

It's another thing to come up with some crazy elaborate plan thats sure to kill thousands of innocent civilians on home soil...
Sep 7 2011 4:54PM
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sherwood4099
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Ahh another deep revelation to add to your complex 9/11 dossier


Sep 7 2011 4:56PM
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feihlination
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no. a totally different issue. have you informed yourself on the tonkin-thingy?
Sep 7 2011 4:57PM
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feihlination
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although anybody who thinks that someone wouldnt kill 3000 people for way over 200 billion $ a year is a naive fool.
Sep 7 2011 4:58PM
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Zimmerman
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DAAAAVVVVVEEEE
Sep 7 2011 5:01PM
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