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The new A77 sony camera

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Downtofilm
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http://dancarrphotography.com/blog/2011/08/23/sony-launches-new-a77-camera/

*drool*

Strongly considering to upgrade to this.
Aug 24 2011 2:36AM
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MACAQUE
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If only you could use nikon lenses on sony...
Aug 24 2011 2:54AM
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eheath
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Aug 24 2011 2:58AM
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[evan]
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Here's the video on the page, watch this if you dont wanna read.

A little odd how they compared this to the 7D and then the D3100 which are pretty different categories of cameras. Beginner and then higher intermediate.

It looks really nice, I'm just concerned about the body construction and then that new kit lens. First, the last time I used a Sony i hated it. The body felt cheap and lightweight, and the menus were terrible. (Nothing to do with body) That kit lens is also pretty pricey especially for a kit lens. The movie modes and that new lcd looks really sick though. I really am just hoping the body is built well for such a high end camera.
Aug 24 2011 3:02AM
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blatt
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It will either totally revoluitionize HDDSLR filmmaking, or be a complete fluke. 1080p60fps video and 12fps photo burst for $1,200 is very skeptical... Nikon or Canon would charge like $8k for those features
Aug 24 2011 3:04AM
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Downtofilm
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1400 but yes this is true
Aug 24 2011 3:45AM
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1337
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well it uses totally different mirror technology, and canon and nikon use a full on legit mirror. The semi-translucent mirror is the only way it can really do 12 fps
Aug 24 2011 6:12AM
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Jeff_Lo
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And the early verdict....

http://www.cinema5d.com/news/?p=7709

No bueno for sony. 
Aug 24 2011 11:08AM
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Brentizzle
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One of the things I think is amazing about this camera is the ability to either use the screen or the 3 million dot view finder. That's such a good feature for dslr filmers. That and 1080p60 are the only features I like about this that I think make it stand out.
Aug 24 2011 11:43AM
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andstuff
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Not a single one of those features stands out to me. I don't get the hype.
Aug 24 2011 2:11PM
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Downtofilm
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Well, AF for video has always been a gimmick.
Rolling shutter have never really noticed and I dont use handheld so none of those really matter to me. I have just been waiting for the 1080p60p
Aug 24 2011 2:37PM
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Jeff_Lo
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i wasn't referring to the AF, granted the guy isn't the best cine, neither was the endgadget guy, it still has aliasing, and doesn't look smooth at all.  I've shot better handheld stuff on 5d's and 7d's with no IS and while skiing or walking briskly. 
Aug 24 2011 3:56PM
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andstuff
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Basically, not DSLR from here on out is going to turn my head unless they fix aliasing and moiré. I don't even care about 1080p60 because A) I hardly use 60p and B) 720p mode would be ideal if the moiré was fixed.
Aug 24 2011 4:17PM
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Jeff_Lo
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I know i'm not supporting it. 
Aug 24 2011 4:21PM
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Downtofilm
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Hmm I honestly dont know, I have never noticed any moire or aliasing with my dslr.
Aug 24 2011 4:28PM
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andstuff
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I didn't either, until I started shooting landscapes at f/11 and using a hyperfocal distance calculator. Now it's almost unbearable.
Aug 24 2011 4:37PM
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eheath
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Unless you're using adobe, 1080p60 is annoying but im still gonna use it ha
Aug 24 2011 5:37PM
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S.C
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1080p60p isnt that big of a deal over 720 imo, as long as you're not releasing on blue ray or some shit... 720p120p would be cooler imo, but a bit unecessary
Aug 24 2011 9:08PM
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Coalescent
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720p120 would be a lot of fun. not going to lie.
Aug 24 2011 9:10PM
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S.C
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id rather have that than 1080p60p
Aug 24 2011 9:14PM
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Brock.
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Just how much better is avchd than h.246... Will it compensate for the other flaws?
Aug 24 2011 9:17PM
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eheath
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I don't think i would ever use 120fps except for maybe some very specific shots, but other than that i wouldn't.
Aug 24 2011 9:36PM
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S.C
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Yea but i dont think i would every need 1080p 60 over 720p60
Aug 24 2011 9:49PM
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Jeff_Lo
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its not. Canons H.264 codec does 38 Mbit/s. AVCHD 2.0 is a H.264 and does only 28 Mbit/s.

it's Sony's H264 compression essentially.
Aug 24 2011 10:51PM
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eheath
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But is only 24 out of dslrs isnt it?
Aug 24 2011 11:07PM
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andstuff
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data rate ≠ quality

Different codecs are more efficient than others, meaning they "put out" more quality per integer, so to speak.
Aug 24 2011 11:13PM
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S.C
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yes, H.264 is actually a great codec for a final product, but ACVHD is much better in post. do any cams record in prores? that'd be tight! but only for mac users haha
Aug 24 2011 11:20PM
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eheath
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There are some that do, they're high end broadcast cams tho, or a external recorder does prores.
Aug 24 2011 11:23PM
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Brock.
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ohhh ok I thought that it was better for some reason, thanks for clearing it up.
Aug 24 2011 11:44PM
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eheath
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AVCHD is better...
Aug 25 2011 12:17AM
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Brentizzle
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the new canon xf105 and xf100 do. They film right to 422 codec. i have heard its just amazing for color work from a friend that has one.
Aug 25 2011 12:25AM
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eheath
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too bad they they are a single sensor thats like 1/2"...
Aug 25 2011 12:49AM
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Brentizzle
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1/3"... yeah i know. its unfortunate.
Aug 25 2011 12:59AM
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Jordan
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anyone else notice the 500 shot battery life haha?

My D3 rocks 4k+ ?
Aug 25 2011 2:10AM
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Jeff_Lo
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Closer to 45, atleast on the 7D/5D
Aug 25 2011 11:12AM
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Jeff_Lo
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i'd wait til october if you plan on a DSLR.  Nikon and Canon both have announcements coming.  Don't make an impulse buy on a camera thats barely been reviewed.
Aug 25 2011 11:36AM
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Jeff_Lo
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fair enough.  Although lenses hold there value pretty well.  You could always sell those, and or get an adapter. 
Aug 25 2011 12:08PM
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MACAQUE
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How has nobody mentioned the noise that this camera will have. 24mp on a crop sensor is unneeded, and will kill high ISO performance, making the 12fps useless. Most people who will machine gun their shutter are sports shooters, who use high ISO's frequently.
Aug 25 2011 12:25PM
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eheath
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They don't effect image quality at all but it will have to operate everything on full manual, which you should be doing with video. For photos, using adapters and none native lenses can be tough.
Aug 25 2011 12:41PM
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MatRich
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its a new exmore r sensor, im not too worried about its light capabilities.
Aug 25 2011 1:01PM
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eheath
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What?
Aug 25 2011 1:03PM
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1337
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he is saying that people who utilize the 12 fps are people who shoot sports. And most of the time they use high ISO's too, because they need to use fast shutter speeds and sometimes shoot where the light is low
Aug 25 2011 1:07PM
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MACAQUE
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Sports shooters are the only people who would benefit from 12fps burst speed. They also need low noise at high ISO speeds. There will be too much noise on the a77 for sports shooters, meaning that the speed of the burst fire is null.
Aug 25 2011 1:25PM
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MACAQUE
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http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/AA77/AA77A.HTM


Scroll down to the bottom for ISO tests. The a77 is pretty damn bad. And it only has a 13 shot RAW buffer. Useless.
Aug 25 2011 1:50PM
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eheath
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I mean, you need a shutter of like 1/250 then if you're shooting in any kind of low light id hope you're not just spraying and praying because you probably need a flash.
Aug 25 2011 2:15PM
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Brentizzle
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wow that was absolutely horrible. at 3200 that shot of the red pattern was fully blurred compared to the other cameras that where generally very good.
Aug 25 2011 2:21PM
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207
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At a 13 shot raw buffer, there's no point in even utilizing the 12fps...
Aug 25 2011 2:25PM
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MACAQUE
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1/250 or 1/320 is bare minimum. Flashes aren't possible if you're shooting a game of Highschool football. In situations like that you do need to burst fire, unlike situations like skiing where you know where the skier is going to be so you can time your shot.
Aug 25 2011 2:37PM
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klayer_9
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60 frames at 1080p and 12fps for photos is very impressive for a dslr
Aug 25 2011 3:57PM
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MACAQUE
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No. It has a semi-translucent mirror. And only a 13 shot buffer. Useless.
Aug 26 2011 1:46AM
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edd1e
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So many haters......


Battery life, Yeah 500 shots, no big deal, this thing has an EVF this is to be expected. If you dont like the battery life, buy a grip.


Buffer only has 13 shots, maybe only raw, but Im sure Jpeg is more.

The noisy JPEGs are from a PRE-production camera, lets wait and see huh....
Aug 26 2011 6:42AM
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