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Asessin snow pack stabilities and avvy skills are way more complex than which forum a thread with GEAR in the title should go best of luck out there hope you find a bit more knowlegdable partner
All the cool kids will be rockin the Plums this season
I recall having the avvy class discussion in utah regionals .Everyone is different some people learn from hands on or the ability to ask questions and Im not saying avvy one class is a bad thing, but pretty much everything covered in avvy 1and a shitload more could be learned through trempers staying alive in avvy terrain book and reading it either before or after taking avvy 1 would be good. there are others snow sense. etc Avvy one is a double edged sword and a proverbial drop in the bucket of the skills needed.
It basically teaches you enough to recognice and respect the dangers but not enough to really be prepared for ever changing conditionsand possible scenarios The best scenario and best peice of avvy gear is solid partners and avvy 1 is not a bad path towards finding them, but just one of possible paths. Given my choice of taking someone new into the bc . I would rather have someone spend the 16 or 20 hours of their time on devoloping strong beacon probing and effective shoveling skills and first aid cpr, because those are the skills that really matter and the ones that need to be mastered. The rest someone who has been doing it a while can teach you. Avvy one is a lot of material to be covered in a short time and things like effective skicuts and group dynamics and a host of other skills may be touched upon but in no way mastered.
Not to be taken as a brag or claim but Im probably in the upper tier here in knowledge of that particular aspect of skiing and will try to see if I cant throw some useful links, thoughts on the gear , and such into a thread and get it stickeied because the search bar sucks and Ill be damned if Im gonna waste time
on a thread that will be buried by What skies should I get, check me out in my jibberish and what helmet does willy tomnuts wear.
IMOThe only difference between side or slackcountry and backcountry is the effort it takes to get there and would take SAR, patrol or ALS to assist. Otherwise there pretty similiar in your needs to be able to make good informed decisions to not be eliminated so to speak
No bullshit back on you. There is no way in hell avvy 1 or 16-24 hours of instruction is going to fully prepare you to posess those skills. Sure you could only tour on low danger days or when the snowpack has gone isothermal in the spring. I watched a professional snow safety worker go for a nasty ride on a low danger day in the midst of a low danger week. and by conicidence another party found a similiar a small pocket miles away in another wasatch drainage.
My point was and is I dont really care if you have avvy 1 cause I doubt Im going to let you pick the up route the terrain we are going to acess or posibly ski. I doubt your gonna go 1st and or make the ski cut.
I can show you how to dig a pit and identify suspect weak layers and the time proven tests used to quantify these instabilites and a whole lot of other things
However if the shit has hitten the fan and the more time you spend in the bc sc or whateverz that shit will most likely hit the fan in some manner and it may not even be avvy related, and/or my ass is buried hopefully w/ my avalung in my mouth. I wont be able to show you how to properly do a beacon search
Jah help us if its multiple properly probe effectively dig and hopefully be able to perform proper 1st aid acess my injuries apply the abcs andfigure out how the fuck were gonna get out of that situatin
have you taken avvy 1 How long did you spend on beacon practice was there a beacon park? multiples?
I myself never took avvy 1 clepped out of it so to speak cause I had good strong partners who took the time learnin my dumb ass took avvy 2 after ~ 7 years of touring. Great class I learned how to diagram proper pit work a bunch of good stuff reguarding the expert halo group dynamics etc
Best part or most enlightening for me was a surprise mock avvy incident. I tend to tour with pretty much the same partners and we know each others strengths and weakness so having to do a drill with a bunch of people Ive never hung with was eyeopening for me.
Well thanks for arguing and giving me a reason to not waste my time starting a thread that will either get buried or cunted up.
Curious as to your bc experience in terms of years, location, certifications and thoughts on avvy gear.
my touring gear thought for the day
Beacons dont find victims probes find bodies and beacons tell you where to start probing
Care to share one of yours?
you could probably easily tour sub 25 degree slopes that had no steep adjioning slopes that had accesswithout any possible slide paths or terrain traps on even on high danger days.
Been my experience almost everyone starts to push the envelope.
Push too hard before the knowing how to stay out of dangereous situations or whatever your key to bc was or get under the 100 year slide path on the 101 year shit could get dicey. Then 1st aid and rescue skills are key.
with my crew most decisions routes pits go no go are fairly well discussed and debated so there is sharing of knowledge/experience and risk avoidencecomfort levels.
In the shit hit the motherfuckin fan experiences I and my partners have had there isnt time for much discussion and training and reflex action to employ skills take over.
I hate when people fire off their thoughts but yet wont explain them or answer questions
