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CALLOUT: BayArea/96legendfilms/Colin Johnson

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kootenayklaus
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Recently, you posted a thread regarding a critique of your website, which I would have gladly done. I am always down to help out a fellow NSer. UNTIL, I found this on your website, my video, posted on YOUR Vimeo account with YOUR logo in it. Here it is:

Kyle Coxworth Team Rider- '96 Legend Films from '96 Legend Films on Vimeo.



and here is my video, originally posted a couple of months ago:



You didn't even have the decency to ask me to use MY video which I spent MY time and effort editing? Why did you give yourself credits for editing when all you did was post your logo and switch one or two of the titles in the edit? Were you sitting beside me when I was cutting that edit? No. Also, by just giving me credits as a filmer and editor, you make me look like a filmer for YOU, which trust me, is something I would NEVER do. And by doing that, you are ruining MY reputation. This is really fucking low, and you should really think about what you've done. I'm done.

PS: Your logo is pretty shitty, and takes away from the video.
Aug 9 2011 1:28PM
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JStrathern
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Hahahahaha I've been entertained by these little kids for the past few weeks with their "free diecuts" and "sponsored team riders," but fuck, stealing peoples editing and putting your shitty logo and shitty name on them? You guys need to get your act together. I hope this kid takes you to civil court and you get your asses handed to you.
Aug 9 2011 8:16PM
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-KYLE-
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I understand that totally but trying to end the kids dreams of being a filmer/editer is a lil harsh IMO, and im sure that because he gave him permission to use the video that BayArea also thought that, that meant he could just throw his logo on it...im sure he didnt think it would be such a large problem as it is and if you send him a PM and talk to him you will get it resolved very quickly because he is a very understanding kid
Aug 9 2011 8:20PM
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-KYLE-
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he didn't steal the edit...Coxworth(rider) gave him permission to use it...its just a misunderstanding and will be fixed
Aug 9 2011 8:22PM
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blatt
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but it is not coxworth's footage, it legally belongs to OP.

Just because a journalist takes a photo of barack obama does not mean the photo belongs to obama
Aug 9 2011 8:24PM
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kootenayklaus
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He stole it. The filmmaker/account holder (me) is the one who has to be asked for permission. Kyle gave him permission to embed a youtube video, and he decided to make it his own video.
Aug 9 2011 8:24PM
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-KYLE-
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this is true but like i said before the kid is young 14 or 15, so he probably had no idea that he had to get permission from the OP, cuz im sure if he knew that he would have asked them as well because the kid is a super nice guy...he meant no harm by this i can assure you

it was just a misunderstanding and it will be taken care of!
Aug 9 2011 8:26PM
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DavidRoss
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Fuck them I'd be pissed as hell. nik posted this on fb and i was like if this shit happened to me...
Aug 9 2011 8:31PM
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blatt
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He didn't do it to taunt OP, he also didn't know what the real world consequences are for these sort of things.

He did though wave it around like he edited it, which he didn't.

I'm not saying take the kids fucking house, he needs to at least do with the video as OP pleases. whether that be take it down or give all credit to the OP and his associates.
Aug 9 2011 8:35PM
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-Dan
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Delete video from vimeo, obv. Nik is too legit to be dealing with this.
Aug 9 2011 8:37PM
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andstuff
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I think the general scandalmongering that has resulted from this thread is a fair enough punishment considering his age.

Having said that, most 15-year-olds know full well that this is a no-no. Hell, when I was 15 someone who was OLDER than me did this same shit with my footage.
Aug 9 2011 9:17PM
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plorr
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To be fair, most of us were not producing full length ski films at that age. I'm sure this kid is just really amped on what he thinks is a great idea, and is just too impatient to wait until the upcoming season to get a website up with all his own edits. Yes, his threads are annoying and his "production company" is sort of a joke as of now. Yes, this was a pretty sheisty thing to do. At the same time I don't think it was done maliciously and he didn't mean to harm OP's reputation in any way. If anything he probably thought he was helping him out in somehow. I think the thorough thrashing the kid has gotten here tonight is enough to teach him a lesson. Now just let him take down the video and his website, change his username, and start from scratch the right way.
Aug 9 2011 9:27PM
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andstuff
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Exactly. No need to get Disney over it.
Aug 9 2011 9:30PM
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Kangbang
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But the kid didn't film anything. He used a bunch of your shots and slapped them together. He took OP's edit and just put his "company" logo on it. If the kid has dreams to be a filmer/editor, he should film and edit kid from his local hill or mountain, not get kids to send in footage that he didn't film.

Bayarea should get fucked as hard as humanly possible for this. Stealing another skier's/filmer edits is not alright.
Aug 9 2011 9:34PM
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BayArea
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FOR EVERYONES INFORMATION

I made sure it was completely okay for me to use his edit by asking Kyle Coxworth. Im very sorry if you took it in any way copyright or anything at all but he told me it was okay. I have pm's if you really dont believe me..
Aug 9 2011 9:51PM
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50in07
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Uhmm you clearly didn't or else this would not be an issue..
Aug 9 2011 9:54PM
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kootenayklaus
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Even though the edit is of Kyle, he, legally, has no rights over the video. It doesn't matter if Kyle said so, I am the one that has all the rights to it.

Quoting from a previous response: "If a photographer takes a photo of Barrack Obama, that doesn't mean the photo belongs to Barrack Obama."
Aug 9 2011 9:55PM
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plorr
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Aug 9 2011 9:56PM
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84891jnf92048
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Kyle Coxworth had no right to tell you it was yours to use. The video is belongs in full to Nik Lampard.
Kyle saying it's fine for you to put your name all over and claim as your own is like me telling my friend its cool to take my other friend's car, carve his name into the side, and say it was made by him, and then write in small letters somewhere, the name of the original owner, but also say that it belongs to you in the same spot.

You are full of shit. You have no clue how copyright works, and I hope to god that you are 12 so that I don't have to just believe that you are actually mentally challenged.
Aug 9 2011 9:56PM
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BayArea
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THIS..

NS people,

I did not steal this video. I was told that i was 100% able to put my logo in this video. Nor did I intend at all to take away from Nik or his credibility. Im sorry for the understanding Nik and I know it is super shady to do something like this. Kyle is a super sick rider and i was stoked to have him interested in what i was doing. Sorry again for any misunderstanding. The video has been deleted and all credit on anything is fully given to you
Aug 9 2011 9:57PM
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BayArea
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Nebula,

I'm sorry that i made a bad decision and took Kyle's word. I didn't realize the consequences at all and was very immature about it
Aug 9 2011 10:00PM
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84891jnf92048
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ARE YOU FUCKING RETARDED.

KYLE IS NOT THE OWNER OF THAT VIDEO, HE CAN'T TELL YOU THAT YOU OWN SHIT. NOR DID YOU GIVE NIK AMPLE CREDIT FOR IT. YOU PUT IT IN THE CREDITS THAT YOU EDITED THE VIDEO.

Quit your fucking "film company", you're obviously too stupid in terms of copyright laws to ever do anything.
Aug 9 2011 10:02PM
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BayArea
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im sorry bro i didnt realize the consequences
Aug 9 2011 10:03PM
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84891jnf92048
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What the fuck consequences are you talking about? Even if you didn't know the consequences, that is still implying that you knew you did not have the rights to the video.
Aug 9 2011 10:05PM
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BayArea
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I made the immature choice that putting hit name in the video would give him credit...im sorry
Aug 9 2011 10:06PM
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eheath
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You really thought it was gonna be cool you added your name to the edit saying you filmed and edited it? Without asking the filmer or the editor? Holy fuck.
Aug 9 2011 10:07PM
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84891jnf92048
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so putting his name in the video would give him credit.

what are you putting your own name and logo in the edit for then? because you didn't do shit to receive credit for anything in that edit.
Aug 9 2011 10:10PM
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BayArea
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I was stoked to have such a sick rider be interested in what i was doing. I took his word when he told me everything was okay..yes i definitely should have asked the editor but i got the impression that they were good friends and they were chill about it..im sorry once again
Aug 9 2011 10:11PM
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blatt
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My cease and decist is a victory!!!

winning
Aug 9 2011 10:12PM
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kootenayklaus
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I'm not mad that you used my edit...

I'm mad because you put YOUR logo in it and gave credits to yourself, when you didn't do anything to help to the editing of that video.
Aug 9 2011 10:13PM
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BayArea
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once again, im sorry for doing all this. Although i should have asked you, i specifically asking Kyle if it was okay that i put my logo in..the video is deleted
Aug 9 2011 10:15PM
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ridearmada14
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post the pms between you and coxworth, every last one of them!
Aug 9 2011 10:17PM
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A.Eberhard
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I just read this whole thread to have a good laugh. Stop this 96 legend films thing it's an embarrassment to yourself.
Aug 9 2011 10:18PM
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blatt
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...we're one step closer...
Aug 9 2011 10:22PM
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whistler14
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post the pms, i don't believe you
Aug 9 2011 10:47PM
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-KYLE-
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seriously is this necessary? the kid admitted he was wrong and took the video down, the kid learned from his mistake and probably won't ever happen again. Give the kid a fucking break and lay off him, he is stoked on this and you guys just cant accept this?

he knows what he did was wrong and like it was mentioned before the kid is 14/15...he didnt scam anyone he is just trying to do something he loves and all the hate on him is un-necessary, i havent seen this much hate on anyone for scamming people...

he took down the video and apologized for everyone and explained what happenned, i dont see what more he can do?

Yes, i agree he should have asked the OP if it was alright for him to use his video, but I also believe that this is somewhat Coxworths fault too and he should also be somewhat to blame but that is just IMO...

Leave the kid alone, i realize it's summer but all this hate for a kid that made one mistake is crazy...everyone has to learn from his mistakes and im more than sure he did

This is just my two cents...
Aug 9 2011 10:48PM
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alexat955
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no more 96 legend
Aug 9 2011 10:50PM
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BayArea
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really appreciate this kyle..here are the pm's for non believers

Coxworth --> BayArea
alright sweet man
Date Sent: Jul 30 2011 01:14:38 - (read)
BayArea --> Coxworth
kk word bro ill link you the site later!
Date Sent: Jul 30 2011 01:11:59 - (read)
Coxworth --> BayArea
yea thats fine!
Date Sent: Jul 30 2011 01:08:35 - (read)
BayArea --> Coxworth
ey bro i might have to wait for more footy to make an edit cause there isnt that much...the edit basically looks like your other edits with a different song haha..the season edit part 1 is dope as it is, doesnt need my editing...so i was wondering if i could edit and put my logo in and post it on my website, giving full cred to nik lampard...lemme know asap the sites going up tonight!
Date Sent: Jul 29 2011 20:42:38 - (read)
Coxworth --> BayArea
ok sick
Date Sent: Jul 29 2011 20:42:10 - (read)
BayArea --> Coxworth
kk word bro! ill try to do it all tonight!
Date Sent: Jul 29 2011 20:39:11 - (read)
Coxworth --> BayArea
yea sure man, take whatever you want of my videos man! just give the film cred to nik lampard
send it to me when you post it
Aug 9 2011 10:50PM
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alexat955
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^ the "full cred" part is where you went wrong
Aug 9 2011 10:53PM
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whistler14
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WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS SHIT. YOU'RE SHITTIN ME RIGHT??


"doesn't need my editing" - then why the fuck is your name in the credits? why is your logo in the beginning?

"giving full cred to nik lampard"- dafuck, what part of that was full credit

you're such a little shit
Aug 9 2011 10:56PM
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eheath
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Some 12 year old kid said it was cool, sounds legit....


And in your PM, the kid said "give him full credit" and you put your name in the filmed and edited part. What the fuck dude. Do you have any common sense?
Aug 9 2011 10:57PM
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IanAvery-Leaf
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BayArea FUCKING SUCKS
Aug 9 2011 11:00PM
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JStrathern
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"doesn't need my editing" Are you some great undiscovered editor? Please indie
Aug 9 2011 11:03PM
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JStrathern
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Fucking iPhone. *PLEASE indie
Aug 9 2011 11:04PM
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JStrathern
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Jesus Christ I'm done here. I was trying to say inform us of these skills you have. Fuck.
Aug 9 2011 11:05PM
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monkatizer
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haha lolwut
Aug 9 2011 11:16PM
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[evan]
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....yup
nice feedback ya' got there sea.

Seriously BayArea, just delete your website all together. You obviously fucked up, everybody knows, maybe people will start to forgive you if you just delete any trace of your supposed "film" company, chill till the winter, make your OWN edits, put some real work into your becoming an actual filmer and editor.
Aug 9 2011 11:50PM
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Brock.
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I figured this may help you bayare- oh wait you changed your name to sanfransteeze...




****OFFICIAL GUIDE TO BECOMING A FILM PRODUCTION COMPANY (FOR RETARDED PEOPLE)***

1. Pick up a fucking camera and film something.

2. Cut the footage on a video editing software.

3. Upload to a Video sharing website.

4. CONGRATULATIONS


(note: having a stranger you messaged on the internet complete steps 1 through 3 does not make you a film production company, nor does having a website URL.)
Aug 10 2011 12:04AM
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.caleb
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shits messed up
Aug 10 2011 12:09AM
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blatt
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More of a how to make an edit rather than how to become a production film company.

film firms are a lot more serious than some 15 year old who makes shitty ski edits
Aug 10 2011 12:11AM
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CAPITA-DEVOURS
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how old is this kid with the 96 legends thing? if you have any brains you know that. and hes just bullshitting you all now.
Aug 10 2011 2:34PM
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