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BodaginRep
Posts: 56 - Karma: 13
hello newschoolers, had a quick question to ask everybody. anyone else on here snapped their brakes off landing switch? I've snapped at least 8 pairs off in the last few years and wondered if it was a common problem. thanks for your answers!
Aug 5 2011 8:42AM
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Malcolm
Posts: 15951 - Karma: 9,451
Yeah it's happened to me too before. We're definitely due for some new brake technology.
Aug 5 2011 8:51AM
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.Hugo.
Posts: 17360 - Karma: 28,484
Yes i have, actually did it the last day of the season. But it's becuase you are leaning too far forward when you land. Your heel ends up coming out of the binding and then your breaks comes down and gets caught in the snow and SNAP, its gone.
Aug 5 2011 8:52AM
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seward
Posts: 5233 - Karma: 2,174

wut?

how do they snap off going switch, but dont drag when youre carving, or interfear when youre on rails?

if this has happened to you multiple times you either need to stop bending your breaks all out of whack, buy better bindings, learn to land switch?

Aug 5 2011 8:52AM
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Apresbang
Posts: 618 - Karma: 276
This! Happened to me a couple of times on dry slopes (drh slopes skis though, hehehe)
Aug 5 2011 8:54AM
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.Hugo.
Posts: 17360 - Karma: 28,484
*brakes. fuck me
Aug 5 2011 8:55AM
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razors-chaz
Posts: 2255 - Karma: 1,250
hmm... *dreams of creating new brake tech and getting rich, while procrastinating from uni exam resit revision*
Aug 5 2011 9:03AM
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ThaLorax
Posts: 21083 - Karma: 8,456
what bindings are you on? i'm having a hard time visualizing how that would happen.
Aug 5 2011 9:07AM
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Crankset
Posts: 1176 - Karma: 497
yeah this has happened to me - wasn't even a big jump, but I was using some old skis with crappy bindings . Both snapped off on seperate occasions
Aug 5 2011 9:16AM
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kingskier
Posts: 1045 - Karma: 11
hasnt happened to me before but i guess if you land switch and you fall then your brake would release and jam into the snow and could possibly snap.
Aug 5 2011 9:46AM
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bleevus
Posts: 1308 - Karma: 2,048
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Aug 5 2011 10:09AM
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Elmo.
Posts: 4317 - Karma: 663
this... the brake is meant to slow the ski when going forward but backwards it just builds up pressure and breaks if the ski jams into the snow the right way
Aug 5 2011 10:19AM
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Pearson
Posts: 14 - Karma: 10
It happens a lot when the snow is melting or really soft, your skis get deeper in snow when you land and the breaks just get fucked up in the snow and BOOM.. you're on the ground !
Aug 5 2011 10:59AM
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b-ladd
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I've never had a ski brake snap off when landing switch, but I have had them get caught in the snow and get bent multiple times. Shit is annoying. It happened so many time with my FKS's that one of the brakes eventually did snap off when I was bending it back.

Aug 5 2011 11:00AM
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.Hugo.
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i've had the bending a lot too. And Once it happens 1 time, it seems like its every 4 or 5 times you land switch you have to bend it back again
Aug 5 2011 11:03AM
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Karma_Police
Posts: 2655 - Karma: 1,628
Tighten your Din OR buy new heel pieces?  This seams like a pretty basic concept.
Aug 5 2011 11:12AM
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.Hugo.
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I know i have since, i was just explaing to the op how it happens
Aug 5 2011 11:20AM
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Maximumsushi
Posts: 7837 - Karma: 3,351
Yes, this happens all the time.

It's especially bad when you're using the Look/rossi pivot bindings, the brakes are very hard to replace.
Aug 5 2011 11:23AM
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DGski
Posts: 3491 - Karma: 2,328
Never happened to me
Aug 5 2011 11:30AM
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SwitchMisty540
Posts: 1862 - Karma: 629
happened to me with Look pivoting bindings...i wouldn't really recommend these to anyone who beats up their gear in the park.  i switched over to the Marker Jesters/Griffons last season and so far so good.  they are constructed with a lot of metal which makes them heavier but way more durable in my opinion.  them being adjustable is also a nice feature if you don't own tons of skis. 
Aug 5 2011 12:29PM
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LeadThug420
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This happens to me a couple of times every winter.  Normally I can fix the bindings myself, but occasionally I need to get a part replaced.

Aug 5 2011 12:40PM
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.nasty
Posts: 10581 - Karma: 11,150
just ski without brakes. especially in the park they're useless, pow maybe more useful.
Aug 5 2011 12:44PM
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seward
Posts: 5233 - Karma: 2,174

i still cant understand how this would ever happen.

step into your bindings, watch your breaks. what are they doing? they are supposed to tuck up way out of the way of your edges or anything else that even remotely comes close to touching the snow.

and if they dont, then theyre bent, and you must bend them back, or you have the chance of them catching.

also if your ski releases, causeing the brakes to come down, and then they get caught and snap... you need new bindings. cause they must be made of glass.

Aug 5 2011 12:57PM
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a_pla5tic_bag
Posts: 9215 - Karma: 5,398
when people land backwards and land kind of on their edges i would imagine it's possible to hit the breaks on the ground. plus i'm sure some of you are riding din's way too high for yourself and the ski doesn't release when you land funny like that. get smaller brakes.
Aug 5 2011 1:00PM
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.Hugo.
Posts: 17360 - Karma: 28,484
it's not the actual brake itself but the plastic piece holding it in place. Like in the picture below:

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Aug 5 2011 1:02PM
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Stose
Posts: 7109 - Karma: 4,123
broke about 3 brakes this way. finaly on my third trip to my local ski shop to get it fixed one of the workers there suggested i switch to a pair of rossignol fks bindings and its pretty much impossible to break the breaks off of those. they will be a smart investment if you get them. or any of the bindings with the rotating heel peice for that matter
Aug 5 2011 1:12PM
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wasatch_rat
Posts: 1772 - Karma: 2,951
i've done this a bunch of times, just make sure your brake isn't bent, and tighten the din way up on the heel.
Aug 5 2011 1:41PM
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.Hugo.
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I may be wrong but i'm pretty sure it isn't safe to just tighten the heel
Aug 5 2011 1:42PM
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Balto
Posts: 25985 - Karma: 4,404
if you actually snap one landing switch, you deserve it. it's not hard to put brakes that FIT on your skis. I've never once snapped a brake, but im not a dumb ass riding 110s on something 90 under foot
Aug 5 2011 1:48PM
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jason...
Posts: 9006 - Karma: 780
your bindings are supposed to release sometimes to keep you from hurting yourself, this seems like a pretty basic concept. land switch wrong, binding pops off, brake sticks out, digs into snow, and your forward momentum snaps it off.

Aug 5 2011 1:53PM
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VictorWhite
Posts: 7 - Karma: 35
Your doing it wrong or having a to lite peace of shit binding...
Aug 5 2011 2:07PM
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.R-Lohin
Posts: 1686 - Karma: 117
I can't even begin to tell you how many times Ive bent my brakes doing that, my brakes are so lousy they will bend if I slide a quater pipe ledge. Brakes are the sole purpose I hate the most of skiing.
Aug 5 2011 2:13PM
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3mania
Posts: 2612 - Karma: 10,342
I've used Pivots and FKS's for years. Landed switch thousands of times and i've never had this happen. But my skis never come off, so maybe this is happening only when you guys are popping out of your binders. Have your bindings set by someone who knows what they're doing. I just went though a season (150 days) and my FKS 12's and FKS 18's didn't come off once. I set my DIN on 10, so not that high.

Aug 5 2011 2:25PM
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wasatch_rat
Posts: 1772 - Karma: 2,951
if its releasing too easily, then tighten the din. i'd rather have a tight heel piece than face planting every time i land switch because my binding is letting go.
Aug 5 2011 2:28PM
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.Hugo.
Posts: 17360 - Karma: 28,484
I meant more along the lines of if you tighten your heel you're suppose to have the toe din the same
Aug 5 2011 2:30PM
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Karma_Police
Posts: 2655 - Karma: 1,628
If it happens more than once when you're landing switch Correctly it's a din/bootheel problem. 

Thanks for informing me how a binding works I was completely unaware.
Aug 5 2011 3:21PM
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JIBpsy^^
Posts: 2851 - Karma: 36
To those who say hurr durr just tighten your hell piece dont listen to them. so what happens when you have your heel piece DIN at 16 you land to far forward switch and your ski doesn't pop off. Oh shit there goes you PCL but its fucking fine cause you dont have to go get a new brake piece for 15 bucks. seriously i tore out like 8 brakes this season. I started just like super gluing or using an old brake that wasnt necessarily for my binding but then again i was on some shit bindings.
Aug 5 2011 3:30PM
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Karma_Police
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Never said Din had to be at 16.  Lots of kids on here probably have there din below 8 and expect shit to not happen when they hit big jumps and eject.  Hitting a large jump and having your boots flex means its' putting pressure on your bindings.  You're a fucking moron if you think differently.

It doesn't matter if you're crashing or (landing off a jump in this case).  The higher your din the more likely you are to stay in.  But as the above geniuses have pointed out it also means higher likelyhood of injury if you eat shit.  No way around it.

If you're popping out by landing switch with 16 din bindings your bindings are probably broken, or you're landing flat.
Aug 5 2011 4:36PM
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I_Am_Mod
Posts: 13214 - Karma: 3,753
i had a brake catch while going super fast switch, the whole heelpiece basically exploded and ripped out of the ski, ski went several 100m down the slope into a sketchy gulley

obviously i crashed hard, probably one of the hardest crashes i've had while skiing since you don't expect stuff like that to happen at all, it's not like a sketchy landing on a kicker where you somewhat prepare for it, this came completely out of the blue and caused a minor concussion :(

+ i had to get up and ski down the gulley on one ski to retrieve it ...

on the other hand, i had to make a badass one ski return to my house with 3 lifts and a handful of groomers between, so had to tell my story to numerous people in the liftline :)
Aug 5 2011 4:45PM
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I_Am_Mod
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^^long story short; freeskiing really is in need of a new type of "brakes"
Aug 5 2011 4:46PM
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quaive
Posts: 1055 - Karma: 99
I broke my Break on the first day of camp. fuck you rossignol.
Aug 5 2011 4:47PM
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quaive
Posts: 1055 - Karma: 99
I hate mobile. Brake*
Aug 5 2011 4:47PM
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almajoy
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happened to me. old shitty bindings. not fun though.
Aug 5 2011 9:26PM
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.squirrely.
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has anyone ever broken the piece underneath the back of the binding? on these bindings its the black curved piece with a screw in it under the rear binding piece. last week i broke both ski's bindings and everyone was surprised and they had never seen that before. the shop guy said i could send the broken piece back to salomon and they would send me a new piece for free and the shop will put it back on
Aug 5 2011 9:37PM
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ThaLorax
Posts: 21083 - Karma: 8,456
don't even bother. the z10's may be one of the lightest bindings on the market, but they're also not made for being pushed and break easily.
Aug 5 2011 10:06PM
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-Marc-
Posts: 865 - Karma: 207
I've broken sth brakes from landing on my friend before, shops usually have a bunch of them lieing around, I just took mine in and they replaced it for free
Aug 5 2011 10:18PM
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BodaginRep
Posts: 56 - Karma: 13
yup, looks like its a pretty common problem, and yeah, I'm not just going to crank my heelpiece, sounds like a good way to tear an acl. at this point, the mounts for the brakes are so fucked I can't put new ones on, so i just ride with leashes, but those skis/binders are mostly retired. thx 4 responses

Aug 5 2011 10:43PM
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.squirrely.
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Ya I know there bad but they were on of the cheaper pairs the shop had and I'm not really sure if I want to buy brand new ones when I can fix these for free. A guy at the camp I was at when they broke said there probably not the best binding for me either because I'm pretty big and ski pretty hard so I'm not sure what I'm gonna do
Aug 5 2011 10:48PM
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marteeno
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This thread would be more helpful if everyone could say what bindings they use...

I know from experience, salomon STH brake mechanics were made by monkeys. Just look at them, if your brake gets jammed in the snow going backwards, there is 1 little ass screw preventing the breaks from blowing up... ONE SCREW

Invest in some FKS, like that one guy said... they might bend a whole shit ton but they wont break from falling, just bend them back
Aug 5 2011 11:59PM
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ThaLorax
Posts: 21083 - Karma: 8,456
you're going to pre-release a lot






invest in a nice pair of bindings.
Aug 6 2011 12:08AM
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JIBpsy^^
Posts: 2851 - Karma: 36
I understand that but when you tell a 14 year old his din is too low he is gonna crank the shit outta it.
Aug 6 2011 12:43AM
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