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BlackieChan
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And our writing/fine arts department got their grubby hands a one kit

Hopefully I get a chance to at least look at the thing, its reserved for 3rd/4th year writing students and not so much the 4th year art students for some reason besides its price tag

Anyone ever get to use one? Even touch one? and did you happen to jizz a little, I probably would and I know fuck all
Aug 1 2011 7:37PM
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WillStart
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I shot a one once, it was super, super fun. i was kind of intimidated at first but realized it really wasn't so different from what i was used to, just way sicker.


inb4 charlie
Aug 1 2011 7:45PM
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BlackieChan
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So sick, what kind of stuff d'you shoot?
Aug 1 2011 7:49PM
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WillStart
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i shot for a FUEL TV commercial. i filmed a few shots for this part where he was running through a field, but unfortunately they ended up cutting the entire beginning of the commercial, including my shots. but i still helped out as a grip for the shots that did make it in

Aug 1 2011 7:57PM
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JAHrig
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why would writing students need to have that camera?
Aug 1 2011 8:12PM
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eheath
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Yeah, my thoughts too...
Aug 1 2011 8:28PM
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WillStart
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i was also wondering the same thing
Aug 1 2011 8:29PM
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NJurkiewicz
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Aug 1 2011 8:32PM
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TWoods
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I feel like a writing student wouldn't even know how to start to use that thing. My buddy works for a company that's had one since december, and only recently even had the time to sit down and figure out how to use it.

I would think a writing major would be set with an HV30 hah.
Aug 1 2011 9:13PM
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BlackieChan
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Thats what I thought but as far as I know/as far as I've been told, they're more film oriented, classes consist of screen writing and stuff along of those lines
Aug 1 2011 9:19PM
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[~_~]
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Does slow motion automatically qualify footage as being good these days?
Aug 1 2011 9:54PM
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WillStart
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yes.



it is definitely getting out of hand. those shots weren't anything special whatsoever. it still looked great though, primarily the mountains in the background of the jump shots. that's really all i was paying attention to
Aug 1 2011 9:58PM
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*simba*
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Only if it's Twixtor'd
Aug 1 2011 10:02PM
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[~_~]
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The image quality in the jump shots were good, thats about it. The composition was amateur at best and the colors prior to the jump were horrendous. It seems that just because its labeled as RED footage its somehow seen as elite cinematography, which it is not.
Aug 1 2011 10:27PM
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WillStart
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Exactly. All the cinematography in that was pretty shit. with a worse camera, it would have been an all around meh edit. i was just pointing out that the dynamic range in those jump shots was nice.


i hate that your last statement is true, i've noticed that more than ever in the last 6 months and it drives me crazy.
Aug 1 2011 10:30PM
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[~_~]
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This may be a bit of a non sequitur, but I respect the fact that Andreas Olofsson's VX2000 footage looks more amazing than any RED footage of actions sports I've ever seen.
Aug 1 2011 10:35PM
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BlackieChan
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Its not elite, but RED footage is almost always interesting to watch and if anything least aesthetically pleasing, if thats the right way to put it.

Long story short, it sure beats anything else had the same thing been shot with another camera.

And out of curiosity what makes "elite" cinematography and what wouldn't be considered amateur? What would make this little clip good?

The colours were probably like that on purpose...its a joke on summer block buster "hero" movies.
Aug 1 2011 10:48PM
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SkiThe603
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Dude i would love to shoot one, i have seen one up close but didn't understand any of what he said, after about three weeks after shooting with a DVX and a GL1, i wanted a new camera, looked at the DSLR's and even a Red (school paying, helping teacher decide) we got 1 t2i and getting 4 more this year with a RedRock for each, but i learned alot about cameras in a short time, and realized the one day i could have played with one, i fucking didn't and i was super fucking mad
Aug 1 2011 10:56PM
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[~_~]
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That's just the thing. 90% of the RED footage I see on the internet is neither interesting or aesthetically pleasing. Image quality alone does not make good footage.

I wholeheartedly disagree when you say that RED footage is inherently better than any other camera footage. Not only is this wrong in its own right, because many (myself included) will argue that 35mm or the Arri ALEXA produce far better images than RED cameras, but you're missing the point completely; the camera does not make the filmmaker.

Take for example my previous post about Andreas Olofsson. A while back he shot with a Sony VX2000, a standard definition camera that only shoots interlaced; it's a crappy camera in my opinion. However, his colors and composition are unmatched by anyone i've ever seen in the ski industry, except maybe Ostness. How is this possible? Oh right, image quality does not define the footage.

Lets examine the video you posted. The colors looked like they were graded by someone who just discovered Color Correcter 3-way in Final Cut. The composition was no better than skateboard footage. I don't even know how you can think footage looks good when the subject is in the dead center of the screen.

I'm not saying you weren't impressed by it. I'm just saying that the only people who are impressed by this crap are non-filmmakers.
Aug 1 2011 11:01PM
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BlackieChan
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Dude that sucks that you got so close haha but thats sick about learning a shitload in a short time, I gotta up my knowledge i don't know shit yet
Aug 1 2011 11:02PM
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Shredability
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What the difference between that camera and a normal camera, like technically is it a different/larger sensor??
Aug 1 2011 11:03PM
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[~_~]
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It's essentially better than prosumer video cameras in every regard. Rightfully so, since the RED cameras aren't aimed toward that market. And compared to the industry standard (35mm), it's nothing special other than it being relatively cheap (~$20k).
Aug 1 2011 11:06PM
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TWoods
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Do you have an example of that footy?
Aug 1 2011 11:17PM
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He also has another epic video of a sunset shoot in Folgefonna but I can't find it anywhere online.
Aug 1 2011 11:26PM
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MaxBmt
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only wet dreams aboot it :(
Aug 1 2011 11:43PM
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SSteezle
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i used to watch this edit like ten times daily
Aug 2 2011 12:01AM
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BlackieChan
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No...I'm not a filmmaker and don't know shit.

For one its obviously possible to shoot well composed footage with something like a vx2, I'm saying it makes shooting something more eye catching easier or at least seems easier with something like a RED. Thank you for telling me the points I'm missing about the camera not making the filmmaker, I really learned something there, that was wonderful.

Composition isn't everything either, having a balance of both composition and quality (and quality may differ from person to person depending on the type of shot/footage they want), but you already know that since you're obviously an outstanding filmmaker yourself. Also there isn't a rule that says you can't put a subject dead center of the screen, after watching your stuff I saw a couple shots dead center so what does that say?

I don't know how you think RED footage is not pleasing, there are many examples of great footage out there.

You're condescending and arrogant dude. Not only from reading this post but your other ones as well.

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Not going to argue any further, not really into listening to "know it alls"

(Its really great how people like to sound smart in arguments eh? Myself included)
Aug 2 2011 12:24AM
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BlackieChan
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Embed fail


Aug 2 2011 12:27AM
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eheath
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then stop acting like you do.
Aug 2 2011 12:29AM
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BlackieChan
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k.
Aug 2 2011 12:36AM
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NJurkiewicz
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Aug 2 2011 12:43AM
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[~_~]
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I'm just going to stop talking considering the fact that you don't harness the basic reading skills to understand what I was even saying.

Is that condescending? Oops.
Aug 2 2011 1:28AM
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BlackieChan
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I can't read or understand english.
Aug 2 2011 1:41AM
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eheath
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No, you just don't understand what good cinematography is. A 5 year old could move a red around on a tripod, does that mean its good footage? No.
Aug 2 2011 1:45AM
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BlackieChan
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Oh my gaaadddddd, this is the last time I bring up RED in media and arts...That was a bad choice.

When I say I don't know shit I mean I don't know a whole lot, I know a bit here and there and from being in a couple photography courses, I put that same mentality into film.

What is good cinematography? Examples and reasons for those examples, I'd like to learn a thing or two from here.


Aug 2 2011 2:12AM
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[~_~]
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Not trying to sound like a dick, but judging from your overly defensive post, you sounded like you knew everything? And now you're asking us to explain ourselves when for all we know, you're going to take offense (somehow) even though we were having a civil discussion. I'd be more than happy to explain further unless you were asking that question sarcastically, in which case shame on me...
Aug 2 2011 2:23AM
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BlackieChan
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Nah dude forget it, I wasn't being sarcastic in that last post and I wasn't being overly defensive, if I was I didn't notice, sorry.

In terms of offense yeah I took a little right here from that very first post you quoted:
"I'm not saying you weren't impressed by it. I'm just saying that the only people who are impressed by this crap are non-filmmakers"

"I don't even know how you can think footage looks good when the subject is in the dead center of the screen"
You make it sound like filmmakers put themselves above others, in this case you above me (no homo, zingg, amirite)

You wouldn't be more than happy to explain anything further to me man, don't pretend. No shame on anyone, I'll stick to asking questions and learning from profs. I won't lie I think you sound like a dick, well pretentious.

Keep doin what you do man, you have a pretty sweet vimeo page. Peace.




Aug 2 2011 2:57AM
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eheath
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There are simple cinematography techniques that can create a great image, you just have to know what you're doing and what you're looking at. Like you, and 98% of the rest of the people in this world, a slow mo shot of a snowboarder in the middle of the screen with no jump in the shot and lots of head room looks cool. To people like me and landis, it looks like a monkey put the camera on the tripod and said "looks good" without looking through the view finder.
Aug 2 2011 3:49AM
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eheath
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I guess there wasn't alot of head room, but a lockoff shot of a snowboarder in slow motion in the middle of the frame isn't exactly consider a good shot. Just because its 120fps and to the inception song (dumb) doesn't really make it cool, at least to people like me.
Aug 2 2011 3:51AM
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BryantPhoto
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I completely agree.
Aug 2 2011 9:31AM
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WillStart
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and me.





although to be honest, i didn't think OP sounded like he was trying to act like he knew everything, nor did i think he was being overly defensive.
Aug 2 2011 10:00AM
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McLeod
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haha julian marshall would be heartbroken if he saw you guys tearing apart his Torstein edit
Aug 2 2011 11:43AM
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MANDER
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Just because simple cinematography techniques like the rule of thirds say your subject shouldn't be in the middle doesnt mean you cant break these rules. My favorite part about cinematography is that you can break these rules. Now in this video, I agree. The composition and colour is garbage and people overlook that because its a RED, but in many cases, some of the greatest cinematic masterpieces break all the basic conventions of filmmaking.
Aug 2 2011 12:51PM
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eheath
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I would love you to show me a cinematic masterpiece that breaks the rule of thirds. Every hollywood film follows it, every independent film follows it.
Aug 2 2011 1:54PM
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MANDER
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I wasnt specifically talking about the Rule of Thirds, just film conventions in general.

Take Trainspotting for example. Danny Boyle defies many conventions of film in that movie, yet that movie is a cinematic masterpiece.
Aug 2 2011 1:58PM
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eheath
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Alright, fair enough. My whole point was that anyone can take a red, have it set at 120fps and point it down hill at a snowboarding hitting a jump, it doesn't mean its "good" footage.
Aug 2 2011 2:09PM
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MANDER
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I was agreeing with you on that part, I think the video posted is nothing special at all. Im just try to say, breaking film conventions doesnt always mean its "bad" footage when done properly.
Aug 2 2011 2:19PM
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[~_~]
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I've seen great footage that breaks the rule of thirds. There's nothing wrong with breaking the rules, but only if you know how and why you're doing it. You can't just have bad composition due to poor skills and claim that rules can be broken.
Aug 2 2011 3:56PM
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TomasAa
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People break the rule of thirds all the time:
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Im not saying that this is a great composition, just an example
Aug 2 2011 5:21PM
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[~_~]
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Possibly one of the best shots I've ever seen. Tarsem Singh breaks the rule of thirds all the time.
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Aug 2 2011 5:29PM
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eheath
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At least with shots of people they don't. All things aside, my main point was that the OPs video was boring.
Aug 2 2011 5:37PM
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