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cosmia
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http://www.youtube.com/v/s47ArcQL-XQ?version=3&hl=en_US">





Lots of good reasoning in this video. In one of my favorite responses it is said that when believers speak of the natural world they speak of pretty orchids or butterflies and reason that only an intelligent designer could ever conceive and create it. The believers never say, "Oh, only a God could create a worm that will eat an impoverished African kids face out and make the child blind for the rest of his life." Except it's said much more eloquently in the video. Discuss.
Jul 27 2011 12:00PM
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DW.
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Jul 27 2011 5:18PM
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[~_~]
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Agnosticism isn't a belief. It's a methodology for addressing metaphysical questions. Have you ever read T.H. Huxley's essay about the term?

But I agree. If one partakes in agnosticism, they cannot fully align with being either theistic or athiestic because neither credence makes logical sense (in the traditional sense of the word "logic").
Jul 27 2011 5:18PM
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pmw
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i think you missed my point
Jul 27 2011 5:26PM
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[~_~]
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Ha nice try! I actually have been taking philosophy courses, so unlike the rest of the barbaric responses in this thread I actually know what I'm talking about.

But really I wasn't putting you down. I just see a lot of people mistake agnosticism for a belief when it isn't.
Jul 27 2011 5:28PM
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Utard
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Exactly what I'm talking about.
Jul 27 2011 5:30PM
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HamFaceGirl
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Jul 27 2011 5:31PM
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DirtyDan
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About God...

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Jul 27 2011 5:41PM
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ImNotARacist
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IF YOU DON'T LOVE GOD BACK, THEN HE'LL SEND YOU TO A REALLY FUCKING HOT HOLE FOR THE REST OF ETERNITY.


Thats why I'm a christian.
Jul 27 2011 5:41PM
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[~_~]
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haha no I just found it humorous that you assumed I was just another wikipedia regurgitator when really I've written/studied tons on the subject of religious philosophy. Also, thinking metaphysically is not the same as subscribing to metaphysical belief. It would actually be ignorant for a philosopher to not consider metaphysical ideas before offering commentary. This is why if you ever read skeptics, agnostics, or athiests like Hume, Huxley, or Nietzsche respectively, you will find that they assess theistic belief with great detail before even offering their standpoint. It's the only way to responsibly analyze such a subject because to formulate an opinion without considering the cogency of the subject in the first place is irresponsible and foolish.
Jul 27 2011 5:42PM
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I completely agree. Almost every single post in this thread is so full of fallacious logic and generally idiotic thinking that I couldn't possibly take the time to address them all. What do you expect when you try to discuss a highly esoteric subject with a bunch of uneducated adolescents? The only reason I even bothered to offer my two cent is to see how well I've retained the information I've learned on the subject.
Jul 27 2011 5:46PM
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muFFn
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Ahhhhhh, good ol' FJ.
Jul 27 2011 5:48PM
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3mania
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"religion is what keeps the poor people from killing the rich people." Napoleon
Jul 27 2011 6:02PM
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TomasAa
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hahaha, +k for the banana vid!
Jul 27 2011 6:31PM
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feihlination
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philosophy courses are not necessarily equal to knowing what your talking about.

Jul 27 2011 6:36PM
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[~_~]
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You're right; they don't. It does mean I'm educated on the subject, however. You'll just have to take my word for it.
Jul 27 2011 6:38PM
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the~muffin~man
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I second this +k to you
Jul 27 2011 8:49PM
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Jul 27 2011 10:53PM
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zues
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and thats .1% of the worlds entire population. They're an example of what NOT to do. They need two different countries and everyone knows it. I think it will be done soon enough.
Jul 28 2011 12:03AM
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zues
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wait... whats religion?

isn't that an old old wooden ship used during the civil war era?
Jul 28 2011 12:06AM
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Midwestoverdose
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Like the other say said, I believe in god and religion but its sad how ppl cant.
Jul 28 2011 12:14AM
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Casey
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God is a way to describe something the human brain lacks the capacity to understand. Threads anyway
Jul 28 2011 12:31AM
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TEPUKE573
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lol @ atheists. i find it sad that you are all submitting yourself to an eternity of screaming, crying and gnashing of teeth in the burning pits of hell. repent now you fools, let god embrace you. IT IS NEVER TOO LATE
Jul 28 2011 12:56AM
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XtRemE11
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like the other guy said, we have faith in ourselves, i believe in many things, just not a creator. I actually think its extremely sad that some people need a book to tell them how to live their life the right way, and need the fear of going to hell to stop them from doing anything bad. im not religious and i live an extremely positive happy life. because being positive towards others, helping others, surrounding yourself with good things, good people, helping troubled people, etc... all the time makes my life better. i dont need to fear god to do it. if for some reason i am wrong, and there is a god, then i would think such a great being would not punish those who truly lead a positive life, treated others as well as they could etc.. and if anything it would be the people who only lived like that out of fear of god that would be punished...

living your entire life out of fear seems extremely depressing to me.


Jul 28 2011 1:02AM
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feihlination
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it works in both ways.

you could say that for both cases, proving and not proving gods existence, so idk what you want to say.
Jul 28 2011 4:35AM
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Toasty.
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everybody needs to watch the new show "curiosity" did god create the universe. stephen hawking is narrating.
Jul 28 2011 5:02AM
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Crocodile
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I find it sad that you are submitting yourself to a life of worthless prayer, faith and a close-minded worldview. By the sounds of it, it's way to late for you.

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Jul 28 2011 6:22AM
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Jul 28 2011 6:35AM
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TEPUKE573
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and, too*
Jul 28 2011 6:37AM
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Crocodile
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^ Didn't think you would be able to put together a logical and coherent answer. The grammatical correction did not help your case
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Jul 28 2011 7:13AM
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Jul 28 2011 8:13AM
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ohmythugaim
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How I feel about these threads:
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Jul 28 2011 8:16AM
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zues
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he's kidding you dumbfuck. get a life
Jul 28 2011 8:46AM
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Ungeiist
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Question: why would God create the universe? a show of force? Is there some goal to be achieved? shits and giggles?
Jul 28 2011 8:51AM
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cosmia
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I wasn't trying to convince anyone of anything. I just think it's a healthy thing to constantly question what you believe in. Faith should have a mystery in it; without the mystery it seems like one risks becoming a blind believer.

And just because the video is about God doesn't mean it isn't also entertaining -- all this forum is is entertainment.
Jul 28 2011 11:04AM
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cosmia
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I knew that's where teleology came from! I still don't understand that word.
Jul 28 2011 11:07AM
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Mr.Panda
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Yeah they're an example of what not to do but fact is it still is happening. And frankly, on the two country thing, yeah that's what everyone thinks but frankly you can't take what is Israel now and carve out the West Bank. That leaves a 9 mile wide strip of land. You can't defend that.

Add that to the fact that the Gaza Strip and West Bank have NO infrastructure so the people wouldn't be able to make anything for themselves or make money AND the fact that a majority of the Palestinians in the West Bank ACTUALLY either legally or illegally work in Jerusalem/Israel and you can see why it will probably never happen.

The only cure is for people like Netenyahu and others that participated in the 1967 war as well as the Yom Kippur war to die out and not be in a position of power in Israel.
Jul 28 2011 1:59PM
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shocker611
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have you ever read a single page of the bible?
Jul 28 2011 2:08PM
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[~_~]
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You read that wrong. I put both of those comments on separate lines because they are unrelated. In the first, I was making fun of his pathetic grammer. In the second, I was just stating a basic law that many people here seem to be unaware of. In other words, I wasn't saying God exists/doesn't exist.
Jul 28 2011 2:15PM
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Mr.Panda
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Frankly, the Bible is a book that was written almost 1200 years ago with many parts of it being written ABOUT a man 200-300 years after said man died.

At least with the Koran virtually all of it (if I remember right) was written by a student of the prophet it is about as they listened to the man.
Jul 28 2011 2:16PM
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shocker611
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thats besides the point (however there is evidence that much of it was intitially written much earlier than 200 AD), he asked for an explanation of why God created the universe and there are reasons given in the bible. It does give reasons why he would
Jul 28 2011 2:39PM
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Mr.Panda
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Please explain how. How can I trust anything a book that was written about a man by a third party that wasn't there say?
Jul 28 2011 2:42PM
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shocker611
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oh my lord you are retarded. I was answering his question.. He asked "why would God create the universe?" and i stated that there are explanations for WHY he WOULD create the universe in the bible. I wasnt arguing the validity of the bible, I was answering the guys question as to why a God would decide to create a universe.
Jul 28 2011 3:08PM
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corona
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I think that because of why it was that it is are where it was that the entirety of how it is is isn't what it was because of how and where was it never thought of that why it never came is up to me though where why is my belief that there isn't only because of what it is is it where it was that incredibly sought to be over the where it is and where it isn't though about through the time that it wasn't made to be for I didn't know where or how it poop through the time of why wherever or all of in it's place over and is the found out of how it is came to be.
Jul 28 2011 3:37PM
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Obie.
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this. no need for giant shiitstorms of argued "faith"
Jul 28 2011 3:37PM
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Ungeiist
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Don't answer questions with questions,you look like a tool. I have read the bible and nowhere does it explicitly say 'God created everything because...'
Jul 28 2011 5:52PM
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shocker611
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if you had even barely studied the bible then you would know the answer to the question
Jul 29 2011 1:15AM
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Alex_G
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and completely unbelievable. how can anybody think this is fucking logical?

newschoolers never changes i dont know why i look at the forums anymore
Jul 29 2011 1:27AM
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Ungeiist
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lol, not only are you assuming the christian religion to be the only one and that the bible is infallible but you can't even answer the question. Why would any supreme being with infinite power make this universe?
Jul 29 2011 3:23AM
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