Do LGB really want to include T?

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Sexual orientation variances, including Asex, and Bisexuality are often pigeonholed into the same marginalization categories as gender variances - often with little or no discretion or thought for what the concepts actually entail. Gender is often thought to be intertwined with orientation, though, from personal experience, I've met trans lesbians, trans gays, and trans heteros who dispel the notion of some implied connection between the two.

Jul 25 2011 11:53PM

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Ruffles

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Thats actually really interesting, I've never even really thought of that.

Jul 25 2011 11:55PM

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wafflepirate

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A good rule of thumb is gender is in the brain, orientation is in the heart, and sex is in the goods. Any combination of them is natural, and all of them are seen.

Jul 25 2011 11:59PM

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smooter

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i'm sorry if i sound stupid...... but what's LGB?

Jul 26 2011 12:01AM

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wafflepirate

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Lesbian, gay, bisexual.

Jul 26 2011 12:02AM

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bangarangmules

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Just curious waffle, but when you do complete your therapy and get to the final product that you are hoping for, how do you go about dating and stuff like that? Would you tell people ahead of time, date other transgenders, or just completely forget your previous gender? I've been wondering this for a while.

Jul 26 2011 12:05AM

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smooter

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Insane

thanks

Jul 26 2011 12:06AM

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wafflepirate

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I'm chillin out on a testerosterone blocker and really low dose estrogen for 6 months to a year so I can finish up school starting in mid august, and then move onto much more powerful hormones once I finish that. Haven't decided on surgery - no money :P

Jul 26 2011 12:08AM

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wafflepirate

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Oh, and therapy is intermittent - like once a month just to check in. As far as protocol goes regarding dating, I'm free to do whatever. It's not like i'mma go trapping and pick up randoms at a bar, but I'll definitely not be disclosing my T status until 2nd date. You can consider me a stealth female - i have no intention of joining the trans community of Utah. The intention is to be female, not transgender.

Jul 26 2011 12:12AM

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Ruffles

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So after the surgery will it actually look like a vagina?

Jul 26 2011 12:15AM

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wafflepirate

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I'm antzy to discuss this in NSG, but yes. As far as functionality goes, you know what's not there, but cosmetically, it's very hard to tell the difference. The cool part is, you can still orgasm with one, which is. AWE.SOME.

Jul 26 2011 12:17AM

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Ruffles

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Sorry to make you uncomfortable haha, Its awesome that you're so open about this subject though.

Jul 26 2011 12:19AM

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wafflepirate

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And by this i mean everything but the ability to make kids and have t3h p3r10ds

Jul 26 2011 12:19AM

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DopeDiecuts

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Dude you're pretty dumb.

Jul 26 2011 12:24AM

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wafflepirate

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Naw, he's just been reading too much Queerty. Seriously Ninja, don't listen to any of their opinions sections or biased advice columns. Go for the news, and nothing else and you'll be much better off.

Jul 26 2011 12:30AM

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shrEddie

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what rights do trannies not get?
not trying to argue, actually curious

Jul 26 2011 12:36AM

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emilyiscool

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depending on what state, use of correct washrooms until they are fully finished with the surgery, puts them in a huge amount of danger being in womens clothes in a mans washroom or vice versa. also if they get killed for it in most places its not considered a hate crime. in some countries that cover healthcare, they dont consider hormones a necessary drug to cover so many pay it out of there own pocket, the list goes on and on and on...

Jul 26 2011 12:39AM

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shrEddie

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mmmmmm neither of those seem like a big deal to me so what are some more of the things on the list

Jul 26 2011 12:48AM

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emilyiscool

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not a big deal huh?

this is the kinda shit that happens becuase of that.

Jul 26 2011 12:51AM

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cobra_commander

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Sparta had the right idea when it came to taking care of trannies.

Jul 26 2011 1:02AM

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shrEddie

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yeah i mean i get that some people will probably get beat up because of it, but it seems like a situation that could be avoided in most cases. if a tranny still looks very much like their original sex, maybe its best to stay away from public restrooms. all in all, not an overwhelming social problem. denying same sex marriage on the other hand, is.

Jul 26 2011 1:04AM

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emilyiscool

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just avoiding public washrooms altogether could be hard when your out though? and they face same sex marriage problems too, there are a lot of places where a transgendered girl cant marry a guy because she is still considered one, that is a major problem

Jul 26 2011 1:05AM

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wafflepirate

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Also, no job security regarding one's gender status, in some states, not even housing security, some states require you get surgery before being called legally female (implying female is in the parts, not the perception or presentation of oneself) which many do not have money for - (it's 15-20k), some states do not legally allow you to marry even if you get the surgery, not to mention the various misdemeanors you commit by heading the bathroom, dressing room, dorm situation, and psychological stress you endure by having to legally mark everything as 'male'. On top of this, T people experience the most physical assault as a demographic in the US. Any questions?

Jul 26 2011 1:16AM

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JKill

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To top it off if anyone ha

Jul 26 2011 2:16AM

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The fuck is an LBG. is that like the KGB?

Jul 26 2011 2:18AM

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huge-go

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Do you actually have sources that show you can kill someone because of that and have it not considered a hate crime? Because to be honest, that sounds like something you pulled out of your ass, and makes me think you don't know what a hate crime is defined as. And the sexual orientation of a transgender seems confusing. Is a man who turns himself into a woman who likes women considered a lesbian?

Jul 26 2011 2:24AM

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emilyiscool

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im not in the mood to look it up its 2 am but for yourself if you want too, they attempted to pass a bill in ontario (where i live) to change this and it unfortunatly didnt pass. given that ontario is pretty good with this kind of stuff, id imagine most places in the states are the same way. if they are male to female (born biologically male and transitioned to female) and they like women that makes them a lesbian. if they like men they are straight. if a female to male likes men they are gay and if they like women they are straight.

Jul 26 2011 2:28AM

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wafflepirate

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Dude, of all the points you could've picked, that's probably the worst one to pick. The media let's people who commit trans-related crimes off with a relative slap on the wrist. It's like if a prostitute is killed on the street - little news coverage, and no one is really truly punished for their crimes. Look up a few cases. And yes, an MtF (male to female) who still likes women would be a lesbian trans person - a transbian or trans-dyke. Once again, gender has no bearing on orientation. You can be whatever you want to be.

Jul 26 2011 2:38AM

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ohmythugaim

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Probably would be hotter if she was still just a trap. What does a trannysnatch look like anyways?

Jul 26 2011 8:54AM

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steezysteeze

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I think he just made the thread to voice his opinion not to discriminate transsexuals

Jul 26 2011 9:14AM

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TechnoPotamus

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you raise a good point, a really good point actually.

It does seem very strange to me that LGB people are somewhat more "accepted" although there is no medical backing to provide evidence for why they identify sexually the way that they do. Whereas as you pointed out, for those who are transgender, there is medical evidence/chromosome proof of different causes for transgender variations.

I think it boils down to the fact that the average person can more easily understand a lesbian/gay/bisexual person better than they can understand one who is transgender due to the complexity. What people don't understand...they're often ignorant of.

Jul 26 2011 9:54AM

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jeR.

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dude seriously trannies are fucked that shits whack. lesbian/gay/bi is pretty normal for our generation as far as I'm concerned though.

Jul 26 2011 11:52AM

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TechnoPotamus

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you are fully entitled to your own opinion, but be wary of how offensive it is. ignorance isn't an excuse man, we can't even imagine what it's like to face something like that. it isn't a choice for someone going through that

Jul 26 2011 11:58AM

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The media lets people off with a slap on the wrist? I'm sorry, but it's not the media that doles out justice. The amount of news coverage has absolutely no meaning in terms of what happens. If someone kills a hooker and there is sufficient evidence to convict, he will get convicted. And I'm not against transgenders or anything, it just sounded like emilyiscool pulled the crimes against transgenders thing not being considered a hate crime out of her ass, and I still think she did.

Jul 26 2011 2:57PM

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wafflepirate

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I misspoke and forgot to add 'the courts' in there, and yes, the media does often times dole out justice in the form of coverage and bringing attention to issues the normal populace would never normally hear about. For instance, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Gwen_Araujo this is one of the major cases in recent history that blatantly shows trans-phobic judicial policy. It's the same defense (trans/gay-panic defense) that people use to kill gays with and get off with a much lesser sentence than if they were straight. It's the logical equivalent of "OMG IT'S DIFFERENT KILL IT KILL IT", and it works. These sorts of cases go on all over the country, and , as I stated before, Trans people are the most assaulted demographic in the nation. Why do we not hear news on the tens of thousands of trans people that are victims of violence every year?

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