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In need of new ski boots

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I.B
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I've tried fulltilts. They hurt like a bitch.

I'm looking at ace of spades or ill moros 2's

WDYT? Any other comfortable freestyle ski boots?
Jul 14 2011 4:40PM
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BuSkiz
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Salomon's

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Jul 14 2011 4:42PM
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I.B
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I don't like the feel of salomon boots. SPKS an FT's are the most uncomfortable boots IMO
Jul 14 2011 4:47PM
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BuSkiz
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I switched from FT to spk pros because the tilts were a tad narrow. imo check out a bootfitter brosef, will do you a world of good!
Jul 14 2011 4:53PM
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T.MARTIN
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You've tried the rest, You've tried the best.... Now stop being stupid and go to a boot fitter.
Jul 14 2011 4:53PM
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mountainviper
Posts: 1931 - Karma: -3
Wow this annoys me...wish I could help ya bud but I have boot issues myself with the same ones...after seeing a fitter...but damn...no one can help with a direction ever with boots...it's always fitter fitter...such a cop out answer...good luck though bud.
Jul 14 2011 4:57PM
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I.B
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A fitter i shall see.
Jul 14 2011 4:58PM
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BuSkiz
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Mountainviper, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
Jul 14 2011 5:04PM
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I.B
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Jul 14 2011 5:09PM
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mountainviper
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Hahahaha....no seriously give the guy a direction fucktardamus
Jul 14 2011 6:56PM
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BuSkiz
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yo listen here FUCKTARDAMUS. i don't know what his feet are like, do you? no. the only person that can really help him is a good bootfitter.
Jul 14 2011 7:00PM
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mountainviper
Posts: 1931 - Karma: -3
Damn IB I was lookin out for you but guess you jumped on the tard train too...wait are you guys trolls?...Eh?...trolly trolls?
Jul 14 2011 7:02PM
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mountainviper
Posts: 1931 - Karma: -3
No YOU listen!!!!!....seriously dude...the guy threw out two different boots he was lookin at....no one can say yeah that's a decent boot but don't buy it till ya see a fitter?....honestly the boot thing has become completely retarded...hey man I'm lookin at an old rental boot that fits perfect but I'm gonna be usin it to bomb 50' cliffs so this is good cause it fits?....fuckin straight cop out!
Jul 14 2011 7:15PM
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onenerdykid
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Dude, it sucks that some people don't take the proper time to phrase something correctly, but going to a boot-fitter is the best starting point and I emphasize starting point. Someone needs to see his foot shape to help start this conversation properly. Then, after he has tried on a few, and he wants our opinion on a couple of boots does it then make sense to ask what boot COULD be better for him or have quality issues etc.

There is no point in recommending to him a boot, to get his hopes up on a design, only to have it not fit. I've seen this too many times- someone talks up a boot, the person gets it in his head that this boot is really cool/good, then ignores the slight fit issues that are present because he entered the boot fitting process with a boot in mind.

Find a reputable shop, listen to a fitter's recommendations, go to another shop and repeat. Only then will you have a good starting point to finding the right boot for YOUR SPECIFIC NEEDS.
Jul 15 2011 1:54AM
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Pool.
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and this is why i have you at 10/10
Jul 15 2011 2:00AM
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mountainviper
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Nerdykid....for the sake of space I'm not going to post your quote....you make a valid point and I've said this before...to you....that I personally would expect a little more from the community on boot recommendations....let's face it...fitter or no fitter 90% of the park rats are rockin either full tilts or sollys....you can't for a second make me believe that's because they were all fitted. So let's say you work in a shop....as a fitter....I have an average foot with an average arch....I'm 6' and 190lbs....I ski aggressive...30% park 70% back/sidecountry....I prefer a stiffer boot but still a touch of forgiveness...98 last feels snug but 100 is comfy....you seriously can't give me a direction based on that....like hey try on the konflict if it feels right it's the perfect boot for what your describing or stay away from this boot because it has known pressure point issues?....some come to the ns forums lookin for some help from experts or to keep their local shop/fitter honest.....a direction or a few suggestions of boots to try on would go a long way for some peeps.
Jul 15 2011 8:36AM
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onenerdykid
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I agree, and this is exactly why they should go to a fitter in the first place. The majority of people are probably in the wrong boot because they bought what they thought was the boot "for their type of skiing".

90-95% of being psyched on your boot is having the correct fit. And by fit I do not mean just around your foot, but by having the correct flex as well. Both of these points can only be properly determined by seeing the foot and watching someone flex a boot. And both of these points cannot be done over the internet. A very small percentage of choosing the right boot has to deal with what type of skier you are or what terrain you ski.

Now where you are very correct, is if someone did know their width, their weight, said what boot they were coming out of and gave their assessment of how good or bad the old boot fit them. Then we can give some basic, rudimentary guidance. But this almost never happens unfortunately.

So what is easier, and honestly the most accurate advice you can give someone on a forum, is to have them see a boot-fitter. Because honestly, most people have not and it will start them off on the correct track. One of the worst ways to approach a new boot is to have certain boots in mind before you try them on- it is just setting you up for disaster. Go to a reputable fitter, try on what he recommends, then come back to us with questions.
Jul 15 2011 12:37PM
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-KYLE-
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suck it up and get full tilts because they look the best...


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Jul 15 2011 12:43PM
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mountainviper
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Hahaha....not next years...whew those things are ugly!
Jul 15 2011 12:51PM
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mountainviper
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@nerdykid....I def hear ya...but let me give you an example jus so ya know where I'm comin from....the main local shop here has a guy who has been working there forever, has been to all the boot company's workshops, and various custom fitter classes.....he's been doing this a long long time....but he's like 65....and a big percentage of the local clientele are wealthy 40-50 something "traditional" skiers.... If I went in there and told him what kind of skier I am he would immediately start having me try on a "traditional" race boot, all the while talking about how silly twin tip skis are and how he can't possibly understand how anyone would ever want to ski backward and so on.....honestly the first time I went in there the dude was tryin to put me in a like 90 flex beginner boot....yet in the area he is considered the be all end all of fitters....and say I got a boot off the Internet....if I took it in there he would be able to do some amazing stuff to make it work don't get me wrong...the guy is good but you see my point?....I would have to walk in there with somewhat of an idea of what type of boot I would need to be trying on for the newschool type of skiing or I'd end up in something that may get the job done and feel good but isn't optimal ya know? As the saying goes, it's like gettin a bj from another guy...sure it might feel good and get the job done but it's still gay.
Jul 15 2011 1:06PM
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onenerdykid
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So his attitude sucks, but so what if he is used to fitting traditional skiers? A good boot-fitter is a good boot-fitter and if he truly (and honestly) thinks the best boot for you is a race boot, then chances are it will be. Case in point, check out Mike Riddle winning the FIS Superpipe World Championships this past season in our race boot:
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One of the more progressive skiers in our sport, wearing one of the most traditional boots ever created. This is the boot that fits him the best, regardless of the marketing behind it. A boot is designed to fit, and when it does, it 100% trumps the boot's intended purpose.

So, traditional or not, if a boot-fitter thinks a race boot will be the best thing for you, chances are it probably is. The boot has no idea what type of skier you are- it only knows what you are putting inside it: your foot and leg. And if a fitter has done his job properly, that traditional race boot will allow you to do the most progressive skiing ever.
Jul 15 2011 3:11PM
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mountainviper
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I was jus using an example...I do get that...really I do....back in the day I used to ride super stiff solly big mountain skis for moguls so I really do get it...I was jus tryin to prove a point.
Jul 15 2011 3:36PM
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I_Am_Mod
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if the nordica Aos or deadmoney or doublesix fits you, they will be super comfortable!

i'm riding my aos for almost a year now and i'm still in love! :)
on NS's advice i also got custom footbeds and they're about as comfortable as my bunny slippers while still feeling as bombproof/in controll as my tecnica diablos

i love em, but like with any boot, it has to fit !
Jul 15 2011 4:29PM
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mountainviper
Posts: 1931 - Karma: -3
Now there ya go....OP should drop mad +k to I am god!....shit I will jus because.
Jul 15 2011 4:38PM
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PurpleDino
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If you have some wideish feet try the Dalbello Voodoo's or Blenders
Jul 15 2011 8:59PM
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onenerdykid
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not to single you out, but just use as an example... every boot will be this.... IF IT FITS YOU.

if I were to go based on this recommendation, I would not be comfortable, not because it is a bad design, but because it does not fit me.

OP, just because a boot fits someone perfectly, it does not mean that it will fit you perfectly. And oppositely- if someone hates the new AOS boot, that does not mean it will bad for you. You have to find out what works for you, not what works for someone else.

This is the whole point of everyone saying "go to a fitter". Not that it's a cop out, but because only you will know what works for you. And I will keep saying it over and over again because it's the only factual way to help you out.
Jul 15 2011 10:49PM
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I.B
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Going to see a boot fitter haha.


The argument can stop now, please.



To that other guy, stfu please.
Jul 16 2011 12:28AM
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BuSkiz
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i hope im not the other guy =(
Jul 16 2011 12:31AM
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I.B
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no.
haha


guy with no icon
Jul 16 2011 12:46AM
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I_Am_Mod
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on a sidenote, my previous 2 boots were adviced to me by two different bootfitters in 2 different shops and i ended up with boots that would perform and feel like rental boots, the Aos was the first boot i bought in a store simply by going through all the models they have in stock and picking the one that felt the most comfortable and had the closest fit ...

so if you see a bootfitter, somehow make sure he knows his shit, cause i seriously got screwed over by two....
Jul 16 2011 6:18AM
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Jennings
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how do u make sure he knows his shit?

pretty sure i saw it in the bootfitting thread but i forgot ha but idk if my shops legit or not
Jul 16 2011 8:01AM
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onenerdykid
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ask around at your local hill. ski patrol and coaches will point you towards some good fitters for sure. from there, go visit the various shops and see how the vibe is. most good shops lack the attitude and genuinely want to help you out. a good fitter should walk you through the fitting process explaining things as they go- showing you what type of foot you have, checking out your ankle flexibility, etc.

Basically, if the fitter is legit, he/she will take the time with you and demonstrate what boots will work and not work for you. And if you don't leave with a boot that day, you will at least have a better understanding of the process when you go back or visit another shop.
Jul 16 2011 12:41PM
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mountainviper
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@nerdykid...not to threadjack but a legit question...if I get custom footbeds is it typical to buy a boot one size down...like does it actually shorten the length of your foot by one size?
Jul 16 2011 12:55PM
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onenerdykid
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for most people's feet, a footbed does shorten the length of the foot since it prevents the foot from collapsing and sliding forward. does it mean that you should drop down a shell size? not necessarily.

I measure just over a 27.5 & I wear a 26.5. While it is normal to downsize a ski boot in general, I would not want to be in a 25.5. There comes a point when you go so small that you won't be able to fit a footbed in at all.

In said 26.5, my toes jam the front without a footbed since my foot collapses almost a full size. But when I wear that same boot with a footbed, my toes barely even touch. The footbed does its job by holding my foot up, and shortening the length of my foot.

Does this happen for everyone to the same degree? No, it depends on how flexible the foot is. Sometimes no shortening happens, sometimes a full size is gained, but most of the time the foot is shortened enough to remove the pressure at the front of the boot. I would say it makes the correct, snug size feel comfortable.
Jul 16 2011 1:06PM
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I.B
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This thread has already been jacked. Go ahead take it. I got my answer i needed
Jul 16 2011 1:08PM
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mountainviper
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@nerdykid...yeah thanks...I've heard two conflicting answers from two different shops...my spending big dough on boots/footbeds for the first time this year and the last thing I want to do is end up with some crap I hate
Jul 16 2011 2:14PM
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a_pla5tic_bag
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are those new? where'd you hear about these. I was fitted for dalbellos. I love them.
Jul 16 2011 11:15PM
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StuckInOhio
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My race coach couldn't even fit me in a pair of proper boots. It took me a trip out to Big Sky Montana when my feet really started to hurt I realized I needed to find a real bootfitter. In fact, he just put me into a Lange, first a normal last width and a wider one. I have a wide forefoot but real thin ankle area, so my old dalbellos were a bit too thin in the forefoot last and were causing a lot of uncomfortable rubbing, hot spots, and most of all foot cramps. The guy instantly knew what boots would fit me instantly, took them off the shelf, and said not to even try another model. He told me I could get another model, but I would have to punch them out and grind them down, which possibly compromises the integrity of the boot shell if done too much (not saying doing that ruins them, but if grinded too much and in cold temps, the shell could break on impact).

My point is, do not just go to one boot fitter, and if you only have access to one, make sure he is legit and the boot feels snug but pain free after walking around in them a bit. Hopefully whoever you buy your boots from knows exactly what hes talking about as far as boots go, maybe even try to test him with some questions to see if he really knows his shit. I found out quickly my local bootfitter didn't even know what last width was, let alone how to fit custom insoles. Downsides to living in Ohio.

Also, if you end up getting insoles with extra arch support, keep in mind your foot becomes shorter due to a raised arch, so you could even go a whole shell size down like I did. I wear a size 10 shoe but I'm in a 25.5 mondo Lange shell, almost 3 whole shoe sizes down. In fact, I could even go down another shell size, but I do some tours in them so I like the small bit of extra room. BSL is your friend, not just mondo size!
Jul 17 2011 2:01AM
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