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Ryan dunn is dead?

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No_Dub
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just saw it on 4chan(ik not a reliable source) aparentlydriving over 100 in his porsche and crashed http://www.tmz.com/2011/06/20/jackass-ryan-dunn-dies-dead-car-crash-accident-pennsylvania/
Jun 20 2011 10:16AM
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pelle_munch
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fuckin shitty, RIP dunn. Jackass will never be the same
Jun 21 2011 2:25AM
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Kevski
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For the "respect his death" thing... It's unfortunate that he's gone for sure, since he provided some smiles to many many people. Did his part to make a difference in the world. I have respect for that for sure.

But I think a bigger issue is raised here. Why are we obligated to pay respects to a lost life anyways? Most people don't know him personally. We've seen him in videos, but never truly known him. At the end of the day, he was just something that came out of a screen to entertain us. So why do we all have to feel bad about his death? I understand why some people would feel sad and want to pay their respects for sure, but the obligation thing is mind-boggling personally.

I have been called out a previous time that someone I didn't know died doing something dumb and I said I didn't respect them for it. Everyone seems disgusted by that mentality though, so would someone care to explain why people automatically earn your respect when they die?
Jun 21 2011 2:46AM
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lukemeahan.
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That sucks.
Jun 21 2011 2:50AM
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pelle_munch
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respect is respect man... just because you don't know someone personally doesn't mean you can't look up to them and respect them. I definatly respect dunn for taking ahold of life and having fun with it, living everyday like it was his last.

Fuck whatever you dickbags who are disrespecting someone's loss. RIP ryan, you will be missed.
Jun 21 2011 3:08AM
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Mike-O
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I'm with you on this one.
Jun 21 2011 4:06AM
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Bukkakeskitrip
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...we get it, you have no soul. STOP POSTING
Jun 21 2011 4:47AM
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Stickerbrush
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Why, because he has his own opinion? Oh I forgot it's forbidden to have one on this forum, right?
Jun 21 2011 5:43AM
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StevenR
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Well, its not really that you have to suddenly respect them as a person. I think what most people are saying here, is that you should respect the fact that a life was lost. That means not coming into the thread and shitting on him.

To reiterate, you don't have to respect him. But that doesn't mean you should be disrespectful towards him.
Jun 21 2011 7:39AM
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skia4life89
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you guys are not obligated to respect or believe in anything you dont want too. But do not post in a thread were people are trying to pay their respects and thoughts twords the death of a fellow human being. This is insulting to the ones who believe in that. If you dont agree with someone on a subject as sensitive as death, just let it go..for once..just let it go.


RIP Ryan. You were truly a funny guy, and if I could grow a beard as cool as yours, I would do it in your honor. The movies and shows wont be the same without you dude.
Jun 21 2011 8:29AM
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PASKIINGSUCKS
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This, you are respectful of the loss that all that know him have to go through. You are respecting death essentially, not the life.

Don't ever laugh as the hearse goes by, or you may be the next to die.
Jun 21 2011 9:19AM
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Flowsion
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If T Wall died and you've never met him in person, would you be sad?? I'm assuming some part of you would.

Some witnesses are claiming Ryan only had a couple beers and like 3 "girly" shots in a 4 hour time period. I dunno about you NSers of drinking age, but that would only leave me slightly buzzed, especially after 4 hours. Regardless, he shouldn't have been driving (especially that fast), but it's still no reason to say that his death is justified. Maybe I'm wrong, it's a bit early to know all the details. It's a shame the life a friend was taken with him, but that's the inherit risk of being a passenger in any vehicle.

I've had the pleasure of meeting Ryan very briefly, and I can tell you he truly loved his fans and was stoked on life. I'm gonna miss him for sure because I've turned to jackass to get me laughing when I've been feeling down for over a decade now.
Jun 21 2011 9:40AM
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RubberSoul
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you guys are trying to make this more complex than it is to make your weird perspectives sound intelligent. it's a human, you should at least be able to bite your tongue in a thread a day after his death, it's his life as a human, not his death, that earns him respect (for the 20th time)

whatever though, i'm not gonna try to make sense of you internet products anymore, not worth the effort. you guys can have the maturity of angry 12 year olds, i dont give a shit
Jun 21 2011 10:07AM
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pho[tog]rapher
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Exactly what these guys are saying. The person who passed away is never going to hear that you personally think they were a douche or something, but I also think it means respecting the family. If you are a family of lost someone because of (for example) they were drunk driving, it doesn't make you any less sad that they passed. I think that the respect should go out not only to commemorate the loss of life, but the struggles and grieving that will come for those who are left behind.
Jun 21 2011 10:08AM
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Lord.Quasimoto
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WOW KID, we fucking get it, you didnt like him. You must really have no life AT ALL if arguing with people over the death of a hero (to millions) is your passtime.

RIP DUNN YOU WERE FUCKING SWEET>!

Jun 21 2011 10:16AM
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TechnoPotamus
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this thread is a bummer. why do we have to argue over simply paying respects to somebody who died? whether or not we knew them, however senseless and avoidable the death may have been.

somebody died, that death greatly affects a large amount of people who knew him personally and a large amount of people who didn't. let's just leave it be...
Jun 21 2011 10:43AM
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.Blake.
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Agreed. This thread is a prime example of why I took such a long absence from this site. Sad to see this type of ignorance is still around.
Jun 21 2011 10:49AM
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Mike-O
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My last post in this thread, but are you fucking stupid? Lack reading comprehension skills? I've said multiple times that it's sad that he's gone and how I've enjoyed Jackass and even Dunn's antics for over a decade now - it's the ridiculous respect issue that's bugging me. That's all.

Jun 21 2011 10:49AM
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MacNsteaze
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iv lost so much respect for newschoolers in this thread, who gives a fuck if you never actually knew him personally? He was a funny guy who lived a fun life and he made lots of people laugh. he had tons of friends and everyone loved him and you can see how hard it is on all of them.  Ya he was driving drunk ya he killed someone else but look how many drunk driving deaths there are in the us, this isnt a new thing that happens, i bet hardly none of you knew CR or McConkey but yet you still pay your respects and are saddened by it just like everyone else (i know completly different topic but you still get my point)

RIP Ryan you lived one crazy life

Jun 21 2011 11:13AM
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Gorilla.Steeze
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Only NSG could make this thread into a pissing fest.

RIP Dunn
Jun 21 2011 12:24PM
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PowSkierCO
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It's sad that he passed away but I honestly can't feel sorry for him. He should be setting a example for everyone and yet he drive drunk. In the pictures of him drinking a few hours before the crash he looks plastered. I feel sorry for his friends and family but can't for him. He took a life and his own. What a shame.
Jun 21 2011 12:31PM
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1337
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itt: people hating on Mike-o for stating his opinion on the matter.
Jun 21 2011 12:33PM
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gurrelito
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it was a joke! FAKE FAKE

http://existenz.se/out.php?id=36048
Jun 21 2011 12:42PM
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PowSkierCO
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How can you call this guy a hero? He killed his friend. He got behind the wheel drunk and crash his car. He is no hero. And everyone says it's all about respect, I have not seen anyone mention his buddy. What about his friend that was just getting a ride home? I feel sorry for his family. I can't respect someone that got behind the wheel drunk and killed there friend.
Jun 21 2011 12:48PM
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I.B
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gtfo
Jun 21 2011 12:50PM
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-Mugatu
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Not just any hero, RANDOM HERO.

Its sad to see so much disrespect in such a thread. If you don't want to say something nice, really why bother posting. In some threads yeah its funny to piss people off posting dumb shit, but in anything relating to a tragic death of anyone, get some class..
Jun 21 2011 12:57PM
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sammy_
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people make mistakes... its horrible that some of you are saying he deserved it... yes drinking and driving is stupid but this is someones son, friend, boyfriend really? if it were you would you want people saying that your fucking stupid and you deserved to die? ?? have some respect. RIP ryan dunn
Jun 21 2011 12:59PM
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PowSkierCO
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A 34 year old man gets plastered and gets behind the wheel of a car and not only kills himself but a friend so and yet everyone finds ways to call him a hero and defend him. Ns is truly a joke. He was a grown man and knew the consequences and now he's facing them. Such a stupid and careless way to die.
Jun 21 2011 1:07PM
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Lord.Quasimoto
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He's a hero for making millions happy, laugh and smile. Do you see any value in that?

Also, I wouldn't get in the car with a friend who was drunk and even if I did I woulnd't blame him if he crashed.

Jun 21 2011 1:26PM
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StevenR
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You just contradicted yourself. So Dunn is just suffering the consequences of his actions, but his friend is somehow a victim? His friend chose to get in the car with him, and this is the consequence of that decision. If Dunn had killed an innocent person by hitting their car or something, I, and I'm sure a lot of other people might feel a little differently. But there were no innocent bystanders in this case.

You, Mike-O, and some other people seem to be missing the point of the respect issue. Like I said before, nobody is telling you to respect him as a person. When we say respect, we (or at least I, I guess I can't speak for everyone) just mean that you should be respectful of the fact that a person died, who many people cared about. So to come into a thread like this and say certain things is not only disrespectul to him, but its disrespectful to the people who are actually suffering as a result of this (i.e the people he left behind).

Again, you don't have to respect someone in order to not be disrespectful.

Honestly, what he did, yeah it was bad, and I do lose respect for drunk drivers who get away with it with their lives in tact. But he is dead now, so he paid his debt in my eyes. Again, if he had taken an innocent life I might feel differently, but he didn't.
Jun 21 2011 1:45PM
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BlackieChan
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What I got out of his post was that he doesn't get why people suddenly feel a deep connection with Dunn because he passed away, almost as though Dunn personally changed some of NS's lives....but don't get me wrong, out of all the "Jackasses" Dunn was probably the chillest.

It is sad that a life was lost, two in this case because of a tragic mishap/mistake, theres no doubt in that but feeling indifferent towards the accident doesn't make anyone a "dickbag" or disrespectful, they just don't feel the need to spontaneously feel deep respect and connection to Dunn.

My two cents.

EVERYBODY LOVE EVERYBODY! Goddamn arguments over shit that doesn't affect any of us at all.
Jun 21 2011 3:04PM
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Kevski
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Agreed. To clarify, I was never trying to justify the disrespect towards him. I think the concept of respect is honestly a bit vague. I usually reserve the word to describe more of an admiring emotion, something positive. Something that can be earned or lost. Take that context to read my last post.
If you mean it in the way that you appreciate the opinions of others as worthwhile regardless of if they are compatible with your own, and appreciate the significance of life and death and their impact on others, yes that seems like it is deserved in pretty much every circumstance. In that respect, (haha another context of the word) I do respect every human life.


No disrespect was intended, and there is none in my post. On the contrary, I said I respected Dunn for his positive impact on the world. Funny you still dropped my karmz though, guess it's expected when raising a controversial issue in NSG.


As for the person who said something like "wouldn't you feel bad if TWall died?", yes I would. But I wouldn't be offended if a non-skier felt no emotion or moral obligation to pay their respects. Would you?

Jun 21 2011 3:09PM
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BootySpunk.
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I don't see why you guys are so butt hurt about other people not giving a shit if someone dies?

People die every day. It sucks. Move on. Some people don't care and you shouldn't care if they don't care.

I never thought people could take such offense to other people's opinions.

Yah he was a cool guy. It sucks that he died. But I highly doubt any of you knew him personally so stop acting like a close family member died and getting so defensive over someone you didn't even know. Seriously.

Okay now you guys can call me insensitive and an asshole and that I have no respect for human life and should show some sympathy. But I smoked a Dunn death spliff in commemoration and than moved on with my life.
Jun 21 2011 3:12PM
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Mr.Kamu
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My co worker today joke about Ryan Dunn by saying Ryan Dunn is Dunn, get it?
Jun 21 2011 3:16PM
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TechnoPotamus
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is it outrageous to point out that without an autopsy or toxicology report nobody can conclude he was "drunk driving" based on 1 single picture showing him drinking 1 single drink?


Jun 21 2011 3:17PM
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rhcp
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False. Not everyone our (?) age takes the risk. I hope if you crash you don't take out another car in the process.
Jun 21 2011 3:21PM
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RubberSoul
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haha of course you make it sound like people are crying and picketing your house or something, unable to move on with their lives. all we've said is some people need to grow up and learn some respect and not say stupid shit about someone who just died, especially when they dont know all the facts. no one thinks youre cool or hard cause you dont give a shit. yeah that's your opinion, it's my opinion that it makes you look like a child

Jun 21 2011 3:23PM
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PowSkierCO
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Well a friend that was with him that night says he had three beers and three shots.
Jun 21 2011 3:23PM
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StevenR
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Haha, I didn't touch your "karma" dude, I didn't know people looked at that, but here's a nice 10/10 as a sign of good intentions... I actually didn't mean to call you in particular out on anything. You just raised a question about why a person's death meant they should earn respect, and I was just trying to clarify for the sake of conversation.
Jun 21 2011 3:28PM
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Kevski
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Yeah sorry, the last two paragraphs weren't directly addressed to you.
I just found it funny that people took the time to lower mine because of that post. I generally like to look at the "people rate me" before and after a controversial post to see if it pisses off people, and apparently it did.
And I definitely got that your post was in a good vibe too, thanks for clarifying.
Jun 21 2011 3:44PM
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BootySpunk.
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There are people actually picketing at my house.

Oh and like 10 people just died when I was typing this. Don't worry I respect all of them since they just died and all.
Jun 21 2011 3:52PM
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RubberSoul
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okay i give up. ive explained that that's not what im saying literally 5 times. fuck it
Jun 21 2011 3:59PM
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TechnoPotamus
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oh, i haven't seen that anywhere. i stand corrected if that's the case
Jun 21 2011 4:03PM
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General_Ripper
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You have to because If you don't show respect the mods will ban you because they are a bunch of girlie men.
Jun 21 2011 4:06PM
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BootySpunk.
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Just saying I don't think you should get so defensive.

Let the idiots think that he deserved to die. Other people's opinions shouldn't get to you. Especially when it is from people on the internet who are most likely just trying to piss you off.

There is a difference between saying things on the internet than saying things out loud in person. If you actually hear someone say he deserved to die than call them a fucking idiot because they deserve it. But man this is NS don't take anything you read on here from other people too seriously.
Jun 21 2011 4:11PM
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RubberSoul
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youre preaching to the choir here man, i'm anything but defensive here, ive never claimed i have any special link or feelings towards ryan dunn. i just get so sick of this internet hardass shit, ohh i dont care that he died lol im so irreverent and hard. like you and i both said i should just ignore it but some of the posts ive seen in this thread are just too much, and as i said, i stupidly bit the bait
Jun 21 2011 4:19PM
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casual
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Pretty much this. And, why's everyone so hung up on the "respect" aspect? It's not really a matter of respect, or at least not respect in the "I respect this person because of their integrity and their accomplishments" sense. If anything, it's about acknowledging that when someone dies, it leaves others to grieve.

The "point" in being "respectful" of another's death—even when they die as a result of their own questionable judgment as is alleged here— is to acknowledge our shared humanity. The truth is that we've all made poor decisions, put ourselves in potentially dangerous or life threatening situations, and otherwise been fortunate enough to live through those experiences. Unfortunately for Ryan and his family, he didn't. Most compassionate, empathetic people go to a place of humility in acknowledging how fragile and precious life is, and how horrible it is for it to come to such an abrupt and violent end. My guess is that people being over the top in their criticism/nihilism (particularly when not all the facts of what happened have actually come to light) are whistling in the dark. Their finding fault in his behavior and his judgment because it's comforting and brings a sense of security and control in their own lives. I.e. "That jackass drank and drove, so he deserved to die, but I don't drink and drive, therefore I don't deserve to die and don't have to worry about it." That, or they just think it sounds cool, edgy, and cynically intelligent to dismiss the fact that death is a tragedy.

It's perfectly alright to find fault in his behavior/decision/lifestyle, but all of that is moot as the guy is dead. For me, I sympathize with his family, and I think about what Ryan could've potentially gone on to do with his life—both in entertainment and elsewhere— and I'm sad that he won't have that opportunity. I don't feel the urge to make a bunch of assumptions about what happened, and I certainly don't feel the urge to crucify the guy. If the guy was shitfaced hammered and driving recklessly, hasn't he then been punished or paid the price? It just doesn't seem all that necessary to trash his name and be a dick about it.
Jun 21 2011 4:34PM
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TechnoPotamus
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quoting for emphasis.

I would quote a short section but honestly that was just a terrific post from beginning to end. that encompasses the point that many of us have been trying to make all along.


"The point in being respectful of another's death even when they die as a result of their own questionable judgment as is alleged here is to acknowledge our shared humanity. The truth is that we've all made poor decisions, put ourselves in potentially dangerous or life threatening situations, and otherwise been fortunate enough to live through those experiences. Unfortunately for Ryan and his family, he didn't. Most compassionate, empathetic people go to a place of humility in acknowledging how fragile and precious life is, and how horrible it is for it to come to such an abrupt and violent end."


spot on.
Jun 21 2011 4:42PM
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Kevski
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Only quoting this part so this doesn't crowd the page, but wow. Another top quality post, man. Wish you posted more these days.

I brought up the respect thing because Rubbersoul at least has said in almost ever post "learn some respect", and I felt it necessary to explore the idea of what respect is and how it relates to the situation, since I didn't automatically feel anything about the death until I thought about it in more depth.


Random unrelated thought. Is it possible that some people who are all defensive about their morals are feeling guilty because they don't truly believe them, but want to be good members of society? And preaching said morals or "RIP" sentiments could ease that guilt and make them feel better about themselves? Or maybe I'm just trying to make up excuses for why I don't automatically feel as much as society tells me I should when I hear about a person who I don't know's death.
Jun 21 2011 5:05PM
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ImNotARacist
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What are you without the respect of others? A lonely lump of flesh and bones. Respect is everything in society.
Jun 21 2011 5:12PM
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