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Official 2011/2012 NHL Thread

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PacificRimJob
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147 pages in the 2010-11 Thread. Here start's next season.

Now the season's over, Boston has the cup for the summer, but it's all up for grabs come autumn. Bump it through the slow summer months as transactions occur

Oh, and to start some tradition: LOL @ Anaheim.


Who's winning the cup next?
Jun 16 2011 3:44AM
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Dr.Newschoolers
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he's super clean most of the time, he just has size and knows how to hit REALLY hard
Dec 6 2011 4:39PM
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J.D.
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Uhhhh whaaat?

Letang's suspension had nothing to do with the guy "getting hit hard", he didn't get a suspension because he hit the guy too hard, he got a suspension because the hit was boarding. As in, against the rules. The Phaneuf hit was in no way against the rules. Your entire point is nonsense. You're saying legal hits should be frowned upon because, why, don't play hard where you have the option not to? What the hell is the point of hitting anyone then?

I want everyone on my team to try to "kill" people, within the rules. I want them to hit to hurt (not injure, but hurt) in every game. I want those hits to be as hard as possible. That is a big part of what makes hockey hockey, and what's great about the sport. Playing monday morning QB and saying "oh he should've skated up and dug the puck out of his skates and MAGIC! 3 on 1!" is just... it's unbelievable that you can even justify making a statement that ridiculous. How about "He tries to dig the puck out, it ends up staying in and winds up being a scoring chance for the Rangers"? If I'm the coach and I see Phaneuf, my best, most physical defenseman who is known for running people over, start letting up, I'm cutting his minutes because that makes him a less effective player.

I think you need to stand back and look at what you're writing because it's just absurd. I know a habs fan who similarly yells for a suspension every time everyone gets injured on the basis of "protecting the players" and I fucking hate, hate HATE that attitude. If things go that way hockey sucks a lot more than it does now.

Dec 6 2011 4:43PM
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PhaedeD
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ya i know he is a great player no doubt. but thats exactly it, he knows his size and ability, do you reallllly need to try and injure someone that is just standing on the boards look at his feet. i guess im wrong though and im ok with that, its hockey they are pros and its a full contact sport you shouldnt be out there without knowing that anywhere you stand you may be free rain to run the fuck over.
Dec 6 2011 4:43PM
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Dr.Newschoolers
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you have to think that this is the highest level and everybody is expected to defend themselves.....he made a play that was for the benefit of his team
Dec 6 2011 4:48PM
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PhaedeD
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ya I guess I just have an offensive mind set, the right play for me would be pole the puck that I can see and he cant threw his legs and start an offensive play up the ice.

leveling someone does bring your team momentum which is just as big. I was quick to judge and I understand what everyone is saying, I dont think it was dirty, I guess I just think he could have made a better play than running the guy over.
Dec 6 2011 4:50PM
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Dr.Newschoolers
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im not going against you but what my mindset would be is take the body on him and get him down. Not only do we get the puck but he is out of the play.
Dec 6 2011 4:56PM
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J.D.
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If that is your mindset in the NHL you're getting benched REALLY quickly. Take the man, not the puck. As old and cliche a hockey truth as "keep your stick on the ice".
Dec 6 2011 5:12PM
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Dr.Newschoolers
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and your head up
Dec 6 2011 5:15PM
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scratchproteen
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Yup as a dihard wild fan its great to have the blackhawks redwings jets and even the dallas stars in the conference should be good rivalries and we will actually be able to road trip to away games....

I'm pumped.
Dec 6 2011 5:48PM
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scratchproteen
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PS. Wild are in the shark tank tonight, hopefully we play better than last time.
Dec 6 2011 5:49PM
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J.D.
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A Canucks blogger recently lamented on Puck Daddy that the best rivalry in the NHL right now, the Canucks and Blackhawks, was being split up. He was instantly set upon by many an eastern conference hockey fan scoffing at the notion that this was anywhere close to true. So, I pose the question: what are the top 5 rivalries in the league?

1. Montreal - Boston

2. Pittsburgh - Washington

3. Vancouver - Chicago

4. Detroit - San Jose

5. ... I'm out. Maybe Buffalo - Philadelphia? Maybe still Calgary - Edmonton even though they both suck just because it's the only thing left to be excited about?

Dec 6 2011 7:21PM
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jason...
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vancouver - anyone they played in the playoffs last year.



Dec 6 2011 7:41PM
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PhaedeD
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I see good defensive players sneak up on guys and take the puck all the time when they are looking at the ground... jussss sayin bro.

nice post though, I already admitted fault in my reasoning and you want to come on here again and blast me for something I said I maybe looked at wrongly. Good Job, not really sure when I seemed to become an "internet enemy" of yours but you seem to love making these long posts trying to make me sound stupid...really im just voicing an opinion, the dude hit a guy with his head down incredible hard, it was legal yes but you see a lot of guys let up a little not all the way but a little to try and not KILL the other player in cases when the player has their head down and you can see that from 40 feet away.

lastly, you can what if this what if that all day... in the end he made the right move and hit the guy legally, you cant argue that and im not. I am not really arguing anything at all actually im simply saying he fucking killed that dude and he probably didnt have to but owell it was a big hit and fun to watch.. go ahead and reall "let me have it" again HAHA if you want.
Dec 6 2011 8:04PM
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J.D.
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I was in the process of typing that when you admitted you were wrong. So I didn't see it until after. Jesus, calm down with the conspiracy theories, I can't even remember who you cheer for. Pens?
Dec 6 2011 8:25PM
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Bar_Down
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JD, you forgot mtl - toronto. it hasnt been that exciting lately but it would just take one playoff matchup to completely turn that around
Dec 6 2011 8:27PM
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J.D.
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Maybe so, but right now it's as dead as Colorado Detroit (aka the best rivalry of the late 90's). Toronto has been irrelevant for too damned long. Over the next couple of years, if the stars align, it could definitely be back, but right now it's just not there from where I sit.
Dec 6 2011 8:34PM
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PacificRimJob
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... Not to mention Detroit - Colorado, Sharks - Anaheim, Calgary - Edmonton, Chicago - Detroit.
Dec 6 2011 10:57PM
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PacificRimJob
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Sharks outshooting Minnesota like crazy. Took Minn till 11:36 in the first to get their first shot of the game.
Dec 6 2011 10:58PM
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.Hugo.
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and we have a rookie goalie in.. this game is going to be interesting
Dec 6 2011 11:02PM
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Aidan-G
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Comcast cut my channels and of course they took away CSN so now I can't watch any Sharks games
Dec 6 2011 11:02PM
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PacificRimJob
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I live in Oregon and I haven't missed a Randy Hahn freakout yet...


You're welcome.
Dec 6 2011 11:09PM
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Bar_Down
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another shootout loss... great... i must admit though rick nash's shootout goal was a fuckin beauty, price had no fuckin clue, that puck was glued to the end of his stick.

and that emelin can really throw a check, not a particularly big guy but he really puts his weight into them, i love it
Dec 6 2011 11:12PM
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PacificRimJob
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Really Sharks? You didn't let them get a shot on goal for half the period, and you give them a lead at the end of the first?

What the FUCK is your problem. Dan Boyle needs to stop playing like a hurf durf.
Dec 6 2011 11:19PM
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.Hugo.
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That was a dirty ass goal by PMB. Not just the shot but the passing before was so smooth and on point
Dec 6 2011 11:20PM
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E__
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I just saw something that could quite possibly be a once in a lifetime sight. Pavel Datsyuk got the puck picked off him!
Dec 6 2011 11:23PM
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PacificRimJob
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awful PK...
Dec 6 2011 11:31PM
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jason...
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canucks have lost 3 people so far tonight. booth gone with a knee on knee, luongo took a puck in the throat and bieksa got elbowed in the head. elbow to the head wasnt called and the ref wouldnt blow the play down when bieksa wasnt getting up, when the canucks were already shorthanded, leaving us 2 men short for like 15 seconds. thats some bullshit.

and lungo was finally having a good game. at least shnieder picked up where roberto left off when he had to step in. up 2-0 being outshot 2:1. (its like 23-11 or something like that, cant remember exact numbers just know it was at least a 2:1 ratio)
Dec 6 2011 11:34PM
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scratchproteen
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Ohhh baby the wild are looking good now in the 2nd period....fucking great forecheck....its like an entirely different game.
Dec 6 2011 11:46PM
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Kevski
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I'm really happy that Winnipeg beat Boston tonight. That is all.
Dec 6 2011 11:52PM
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jason...
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myself also. fuck boston /still bitter.
Dec 6 2011 11:55PM
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jason...
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booyah hatrick for daniel sedin.
Dec 6 2011 11:59PM
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scratchproteen
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Vlasic floppin hard.
Dec 7 2011 12:05AM
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PacificRimJob
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More like the Sharks just not playing well at all like they should...

They have been oddly terrible the last 5 games for such long stretches... Heres to hope theyre saving it all for a big 3rd.
Dec 7 2011 12:14AM
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Wolffy
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even though we dont have a history of rivalries, i would say after the past 3 years of playoffs that the hawks and canucks are huge rivals
Dec 7 2011 12:18AM
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PacificRimJob
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Yes. That was previously mentioned.
Dec 7 2011 12:22AM
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.Emerson.
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I hate when there is a good check and everyone gets all pissy

Don't know if anyone has seen this, but I laughed

Dec 7 2011 12:28AM
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J.D.
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Same thing. Detroit Colorado is dead and buried, stick a fork in it, it's done. Can't have a rivalry where one team is miles better than the other (see NYR-NYI) and you can't have a rivalry if you haven't met in the postseason for a decade plus (see NYI-EDM by the 90's). SJ - Anaheim... you can only really have one big rivalry going on and the Ducks are too crappy a team, whereas the Sharks and Wings seem to play in the playoffs every year. Same applies to Chicago Detroit, ask anyone on those teams who their biggest rival is and they'll say Van and SJ respectively if they're honest.

Calgary - Edmonton might actually be it, simply because it's all they have, but that's just not that interesting a rivalry when there's zilch at stake. So I just don't see how it can make the top 5.

Maybe we DO need this new setup just to produce rivalries.

On another note and more importantly, does anyone know how it works where you have one goalie start the game, he has to leave with an injury, and the backup comes in and between them they get a shutout? Who gets the shutout? Is it the same guy who gets the win (i.e. it'd be whoever was in when the first goal was scored)? The guy who makes the most saves? Important because Luongo and Schneider pulled a collaborative donut tonight.

Canucks tonight got thoroughly outplayed and more than double-outshot after 2 periods, and yet they won. 6 to freaking 0. Six. Nothing. A massacre. In a game they had no business winning. How does that happen? Looked like the Harlem Globetrotters out there with their passing game. Just nuts.

Also, Booth injured on a really ugly knee on knee from Porter. Since headshots and goalie-running are the political hot topics, and not kneeing penalties, I doubt this gets a suspension. But maybe it should, since that's just as dangerous a play as an elbow to the head and just as careless and avoidable. The disciplinary process is very political right now. Hopefully the injury isn't as bad as it looked on the play.
Dec 7 2011 12:43AM
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PacificRimJob
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I see, you're talking about currently relevant rivalries that outsiders might pay attention to haha.

Detroit-Colorado? I don't think that will ever die... those fans still have pretty good contempt for each other... it will probably fizzle more now in the new system though...

SJ - Detroit has a lot of playoff blood, yes... but find me a Sharks fan that doesn't hold utter hated for those feathered bitches down south over the years... It's not so much playoff developed as geographical. Northern California HATES southern California. It's not Battle of Alberta, but its more relevant than Rangers-Isles is, and holds just as much clout since the 1990's. LA - Sharks will be a bigger rivalry soon though, as the Ducks are unlikely to return to where they once were anytime soon, and only LA and SJ are true contenders anymore.

I have yet to meet a Detroit fan that doesn't find Chicago as their biggest rival... Many Chitown fans of old would NEVER consider Vancouver their top rival, either... That rivalry isn't quite Toronto-MTL by any measure... but it's still a big O6 rivalry, and likely more relevant in the future.. it will become HUGE now too with the new system, and those two forced to play first two rounds all the time for years to come, and with Chicago likely taking over top-dog status as Detroit loses it's old guard.

I can see San Jose - Vancouver becoming a serious rivalry over the next few years too... could be yearly must-see-tv.
Dec 7 2011 12:54AM
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Bar_Down
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i dont know how that works at all, but in my opinion none of them should get it. according to me, the definition of a shutout from a goaltender's point of view is playing 60 minutes of hockey and allowing no goals. none of them did this.
Dec 7 2011 12:57AM
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SkiThe603
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What is the deal with the reallignment?

http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/7324789/nhl-board-governors-discuss-realignment-collective-bargaining-agreement-fighting


Dec 7 2011 1:01AM
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PacificRimJob
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Awful showing again tonight for San Jose... whats in the water in Minnesota? They have now THREE solid goalies? the fuck?
Dec 7 2011 1:04AM
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J.D.
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You seem to be really concerned with what the fans think. That doesn't really make a difference to the product, I don't think, and the heated games are what makes rivalries good. It's not about the fans it's about who the players hate and want to kill. Those games are more intense. Washington - Pittsburgh, it's like playoff hockey. That's what should develop and is more likely to develop if you see a team 5 times a season and then in the playoffs again.

As for the shutout thing I feel like the goalie of record gets it. I'm pretty sure the actual definition is getting a win and allowing 0 goals. But I'm not positive on that.
Dec 7 2011 1:06AM
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scratchproteen
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The wild's goaltenders are out of control....we should trade one for parise.

The wild are now 12 - 6 when opposing teams score the first goal. 2 - 0 to start the 5 game road trip...lets keep it rollin.
Dec 7 2011 1:07AM
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Bar_Down
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ya i dont know about the actual definition, i was just saying thats the way i would have it, but what you said makes sense; it would just suck if the goalie gets injured right at the end of the game, the spare comes in, makes 0 saves and gets the shutout ahaha
Dec 7 2011 1:12AM
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50in07
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I fucking love this team right now! Hackett was unreal, I can't believe we held on during that game. I turned the game on right after they put Hackett in and the score was 1-0 and I thought we were fucked, especially after watching the first 10 minutes. Hopefully we can keep things rolling in LA.
Dec 7 2011 1:14AM
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PacificRimJob
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I get where you're coming from there but... you mean to tell me then that San Jose - Anaheim holds no bad blood? the players on those two teams HATE each other... There are always fights and it's ALWAYS a physical, punch you in the mouth kinda game. The fans probably care LESS about it than the players if anything...

Detroit - Chicago? maybe not, you're right there... The Fans care more about that than the players for sure.

Detroit - Colorado? Definitely right. Colorado doesn't even have anyone on the team from those years anymore that I can think of... Milan Hejduk I guess?


Dec 7 2011 1:17AM
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mistaT
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JD - I'll be heated if Porter's knee on knee hit doesn't provoke a suspension.

That was text book dirty kneeing and every player in the NHL should know better. Shannahan better step up with a 3-5 game suspension.

Sedins are unbelievable...I'll have their hat trick up later to drop everyone's jaws


Dec 7 2011 1:31AM
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scratchproteen
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its great, I just hope we keep up a good win percentage...what they are doing right now is unreal, everyone is contributing.

Mike Yeo is the guy that deserves the credit here.
Dec 7 2011 5:14AM
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Ski_the_east01
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hahaha keep dreaming...not with the choke artist luongo and the sedin sisters

you would have thought winnipeg won the cup last night the way they were celebrating...

surprisingly the bruins came out with legs last night but gotta give credit to pavelec he had a great game and once again the b's give no goal support to tuukka...healthy scratching seguin cause he's a little shit head sucks because they needed the scoring last night, but I guess you gotta lay down the law for these young stars sometimes
Dec 7 2011 9:18AM
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PASKIINGSUCKS
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It's definitely more of a fan thing here, but the keystone state rivalry between pens and flyers is pretty big locally. Other than that I'd say rangers are our biggest rivalry, or perhaps the devils but who cares about the devils.

East and west PA is like a world of difference here though, and that pittsburgh vs philly rivalry spans a few sports down here.

Pretty stoked to play buffalo tonight, and really hot to see pittsburgh for the first time this season on thursday.
Dec 7 2011 9:19AM
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