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jagr signs with philly for 1 year - 3.3 million

bit of overkill on the salary, seeing as pittsburgh and detroit both bailed on their offers to him...

Jul 1 2011 4:27PM

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Sid and Geno vs. Jagr and Talby HAHA

Jul 1 2011 4:37PM

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pouliot? okay....wait and see how he fits in I guess. 1 year $1.1 mil. we still have $11 million ish room of cap space now i believe.

where's stamkos going, if anywhere?

and later ryder. good guy, but not for $7 million

Jul 1 2011 4:45PM

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Not Kenny Hollands best year so far, I just pray he's saving money for trades further down the road. I really didn't want Ericsson back, and certainly not for 3.25 a year. Happy with Eaves and Miller though, undecided on commodore.

Jul 1 2011 4:46PM

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i want the canadians to sign MIKE RICHARDS !
it would be a great adition to the team ,
and what do you think of the candian signin peter budaj ?

Jul 1 2011 4:50PM

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i want the canadians to sign MIKE RICHARDS !
it would be a great adition to the team ,
and what do you think of the candian signin peter budaj ?

Jul 1 2011 4:52PM

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sharks sign defenseman jim vandermeer from edmonton to a one year. should bring some physicality and another d-man option.

boyle-murray
vlasic-burns
demers-vandermeer?

i dunno, also hope justin braun gets worked into the lineup more this season, he has loads of potential.

Jul 1 2011 5:20PM

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this is if ian white takes off

Jul 1 2011 5:21PM

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eric cole to habs i heard

Jul 1 2011 8:04PM

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1. Mike Richards is in Los Angeles. You might be thinking of Brad Richards, but still hilarious fail.

2. Peter Budaj? big deal. yay backup who was mostly ineffective in Colorado..

Jul 1 2011 9:48PM

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Today was one of the most busy July 1st's I've ever seen Doug Wilson partake in. He actually signed 2 lineup guys...

First, Jim Vandermeer gives us a decent bottom pairing depth guy to platoon with Justin Braun as a 6/7 guy. He's a lot like Kent Huskins, without the mental retardedness, and the concussion issues. He's also a ridiculously awesome fighter who beats ass without being a gooned up idiot who gets in other teams' heads by trying to hurt them and taking really dumb heinous penalties, and I like that. His physicality is pretty perfect for what we're paying him and for who he'll match up against most of the time.

Secondly, we signed Michal Handzus to a 2 year deal worth 2.5 per. He's a good 3rd line centreman with good scoring pop and experience. We effectively rip him off of LA, and that's not terrible, as he's their loss. He allows Pavelski to move up to 2nd line centre and give Logan Couture more of a platoon role, so he can focus more on scoring rather than playmaking - that is, if we reunite HTML. Handzus is perfect for that shorthanded guy we need and will hopefully fill his role nicely. As long as he doesnt fall apart in the playoffs like he did against us, we should be a good fit for him.

Now, we have 3.7m left to add someone else (who else could we use? Jamie Lagenbrunner? Antti Miettinen?) or save cap space for a trade deadline addition...

I dont see us resigning Ian White at all... unless he really wants to stay with us for 3.5 or less, and take a lesser role (or win a cup... ha).

Jul 1 2011 10:05PM

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Oh, and Doug Wilson DID say we weren't returning White this year... but who knows if that could change, as this sorta thing's happened before and then Doug's turned around and signed the guy for less than what was being asked.

Jul 1 2011 10:06PM

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1. i was yeh haha my bad.
2.i never said it was a good deal ....
i didnt like him with the avalanche and i was wondering what other people thought

Jul 1 2011 11:02PM

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Nikita Filatov owns, yo!

Jul 2 2011 12:55AM

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pretty happy with chicago, adding what we had in our cup win, a 4th line with grit, toughness and a pest. Definitely going to make them tougher to play against. I still feel like we'll make a trade for either a 2nd/3rd line centre or a defensemen.

Jul 2 2011 1:33AM

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Come on wild you ship Burns (for good reasoning) and then let the fan favorite go in brunette (even though he is old) give us something!!!

Jul 2 2011 1:42AM

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varly is following me from dc to colorado next year.

Jul 2 2011 2:02PM

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As it stands right now, we grossly overpaid for Varly. But I hope Jiggy can help him (he will be a great mentor), and our other additions (Kobasew, Hejda) help propel us to a playoff spot, making the draft picks less valuable. I'm saying theres no way the Avalanche have a lottery pick next year.

Suck to see Flash go, but c'est la vie.

If Mueller can stay healthy (big "if"), and Stefan Elliot is NHL-ready, here are the potential lines for next year:

Mueller-Duchene-Hejduk
Landeskog-Stastny-Jones
Lindstrom-O'Reilly-Kobasew
Galiardi-McClement-Winnik

Quincey-EJ
Hejda-Elliot
Wilson-O'Byrne
Hunwick

Varlamov
Giguere

Looks like it could be a playoff team.

Jul 2 2011 4:54PM

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ian white signs with detroit for 2 years $2.875 mil per

Jul 2 2011 5:00PM

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He's led his teams in short handed ice time almost every year of his career, of-fucking-course he's a career minus guy...

He's not injury prone, he's big, he's alright at faceoffs and he holds his own in the zone on D... if you look at the Sharks PP numbers against LA last season and in the playoffs, it shows you that Handzus wasn't exactly giving the sharks the right of way to the goal.

He's slow, but for a big physical 3rd line centreman who's more of a defensive guy, I dont think speed is what you're looking for.

He'll get 40 points for us and lead us in shorthanded icetime... well worth the 2.5 per year.

Oh, and i'm surprised at the deal White took in Detroit... He'll be good and useful there, He's no Rafalski though...

Jul 2 2011 7:25PM

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PP goals don't count for/against a players +/-

Jul 2 2011 8:54PM

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I guess my point is that he takes about 56% of his faceoffs in the defensive zone no matter what. didn't make that clear obviously.

Jul 3 2011 1:30AM

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only they did beat him...

Jul 3 2011 12:59PM

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this.

Jul 3 2011 1:10PM

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Avs are dumbasses. 2 high draft picks for Varlamov, when Washington probably would have let him go for almost nothing

Jul 3 2011 1:18PM

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Reasons other than obnoxious hunches? lol. What the hell do you expect out of a 3rd line centreman?

Theyre supposed to be your defensively strong, PK checking guys. Hence why it's called the CHECKING LINE.

What do you think the 3rd line should be? a third scoring line? San Jose could easily throw one of those up there too... put Pavelski in there again and boom. back to last year.

Jul 3 2011 7:31PM

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To Leafs: Cody Franson, Matt Lombardi

To Preds: Brett Lebda, some dude

It's rare I will say this: the Leafs appear to have absolutely robbed someone in a trade. I wish the Nucks had Franson, that guy has upside.

Jul 3 2011 8:03PM

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Bob Mack just tweeted Havlat to SJ for Heatley...

I assume more involved.

Jul 3 2011 10:37PM

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dany motherf*ckin' heatley in minny?! haha

Jul 3 2011 11:02PM

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I honestly don't know what to think of this trade.

Jul 3 2011 11:10PM

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what the fuck

Jul 3 2011 11:27PM

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Heatley to the Wild? Talk about a trade out of left field, never would have guessed that one

Jul 4 2011 1:19AM

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Paging sean...

Jul 4 2011 1:20AM

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Give me a second to analyze this and try to understand what the heck's the idea behind this...

Jul 4 2011 2:24AM

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BRUINS FUCK YEAH!!!

Jul 4 2011 2:31AM

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how about that wild

Jul 4 2011 2:36AM

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I've thought about it, and I like the trade. Heatley's game has really declined lately. He's slow, it's like he was trying to skate through peanut butter. Besides the skating issue, he never battled for pucks in the corners, is awful defensively, and if he's not scoring he doesn't bring any intangibles. For an annual cap hit of 7.5 mil, he needs to be an impact ~40 goal scorer. Havlat brings speed, creativity, defensive reliability and leadership. He also has a knack for raising his game in the playoffs (see 2007 when he had 11 points in five games against the Lightning). The Sharks also save 2.5 million which can be used to resign Couture and Burns between now and next summer. Wilson has huevos made of steel.

Jul 4 2011 3:03AM

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Okay. i've analyzed it a bit now... and gained pretty much no new information on it than I initially thought.

On paper? Terrible trade. Yay, we get 2.5m extra under the cap, but we have now potentially, very significantly worsened our scoring up front.

However... I'll look at it this way. Heatley came into San Jose as a perennial 100 point guy, who put 50 goals up with ease. After his groin injury 2 years ago, he's been pretty dang slow, and after his broken hand last year, he posted a pretty low scoring season (Granted, it's not like Thornton or Marleau even broke the 70 barrier either... Kinda a low scoring season for SJ, really), however, for under 150 points in the last 2 seasons has made some fans sorta start losing faith in him as being what he once was - worth that 7.5m per year contract.

The window for Doug to trade Heatley just recently opened up (his NTC was limited upon waiving his original NTC, or something like that) and the Wild were not on his "do not trade me to these 10 teams" list (which probably included every team that's in Canada - har har) Maybe feeling that Heatley's a guy with a ridiculous contract for the recent output, and with his career possibly declining, isn't worth that 7.5 a year situation, whereas Havlat, who's the same age, could very well be better worth his contract.

Wilson dumps some salary and picks up a, still great, but not potentially as good, Martin Havlat, who I've always really liked, to be honest.

However, Dany Heatley was always critisized for being too much of an offense-first guy. Yeah, he's okay on D, but it's not his strong suit. Havlat Is a little bit better on defense, and Blackhawks fans still think he's 'totes the shit' so, maybe Wilson's idea is to focus more on team defense?

I still dont really get it... but Havlat really is a great player though. His last year in Chicago is a perfect indication of what you CAN expect from this guy when he's surrounded by strong teammates. In Minnesota, and in his earlier years in Chicago, it seemed like he was almost relied on to create all the offense, and with how anemic those teams were, I feel that his numbers were nothing where they could be (I feel he's more of a 80-85 per season guy on the Sharks) He's also faster and a better skater than Heatley (who's surely lost a step or two I think)

All that said, I get the indication that this trade is probably, and most likely a salary dump for another trade. So far, it looks like Doug Wilson is finally mixing things up on this team. He hasn't exactly 'blown up' or even remotely 'blown up' the team in a long time - at least not to this level. This isn't exactly a fire sale or something, but it's definitely a few big changes. He has just created some extra space under the cap, back to what it was before the Handzus signing.

Sparknotes? Dingosean still full of optimism, as Klazo and other ''former'' Senators fans have 1 fewer reason to hate the Sharks.

Jul 4 2011 3:38AM

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so pumped to have heatley got my wild season tickets (had my own for 3 years now) can't wait for the season to start.

Jul 4 2011 5:51AM

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i like the moves toronto has made so far, hopefully connolly can stay healthy for them this season and can help kessel gain som consistency. that heatly trade was surprising but i think it'll turn out better than most people think it will, for both teams

Jul 4 2011 10:07AM

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now waddya mean by "former" senators fans. We'll always hate Healtey, and he'll always still have killed his best friend. But seriously I do think Sharks came out on top in that trade, Heatley is only going downhill from here and there's nothing wrong with Havlat

Jul 4 2011 11:48AM

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Alright, Here's the thin about Heatley. Yeah, he wasn't exactly awesome to Ottawa, but it's not like the Senators management of the situation was good at all. He made a trade request in private, they blew it up and released it to the public, and handled the whole trade deal with Edmonton totally unprofessionally IMO.

So yeah, Senators fans, hate on Heatley all you want, but to put all the blame on him is silly - Ottawa's front office clearly deserves a good amount of blame for how they handled that whole situation

Jul 4 2011 12:13PM

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I don't think it's necessarily that big a step down in player quality... Havlat is good for 60 pts and can play defense, and you get 2.5 in space, plus that last group didn't do it so it's time to mix it up. I know a lot of people thought Joe was on his way out of town, but this is obviously the better option. it's great for the wild, too, whose fans have something to be excited about for a change. And they had the space.

Jul 4 2011 3:03PM

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bruins still hav a stronger team and our great GM peter will make some good moves. im sure. and if timmy stays strong and plays like he did last year bruins could hav a nice playoff run again.

by no way and i saying repeat cuz repeating in hockey is probably the hardest sport to repeat in

Jul 4 2011 5:44PM

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That's exactly how I feel... but on paper, for what Heatley's potential is, it's a loss in the trade department...

either way, sleeping and thinking about it for a whole day straight, i'm pumped.

Oh, and Klazo. Fuck the Anaheim Ducks, all they stand for, and their entire spoiled rotten - dont really give a fuck about hockey - fanbase. MOST of all, fuck Corey "no testicles" Perry.

And on that note, for some instant camaraderie between us, Oranje Bojen!

Jul 5 2011 3:54AM

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vancouvers built to lose every year

Jul 5 2011 4:32AM

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Wait, Corey Perry gets cheap-shotted in the groin and HE'S the one with no balls? What a cowardly, classless move by a guy who was generally the exact opposite sort of player. Weak.

Anyway of course you're pumped, your team made a trade... what fan doesn't see the best possible scenario after a trade. I'm already itching for next season to start. Fuck summer. I need NHL 12.

Jul 5 2011 10:34AM

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Thornton. Duh.

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