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Metal in ya skis? yes or no?

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gawd
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So i found this thread on another site, and everyone was saying that indie ski companies dont use metal in their skis, and there for the skis are damp and suck. I find this kind of one sided, as I have never owned a skis with and without metal, and I always found my self liking the ones without better due to being more lively and lighter.

 /what do you all think?
Jun 9 2011 12:32AM
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egg.
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what would they use for edges though?
Jun 9 2011 12:34AM
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gawd
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siiiiigh,,, as in metal for stiffness and less chatty in higher speeds that sits on top on the core.
Jun 9 2011 12:37AM
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kthnxbai.
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i hope you are kidding.

i personally dont like metal.  I dont need the weight or durability and like you said i like the light/pop to regular.
Jun 9 2011 12:38AM
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Rachy
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I used to love Head's Wildone... then they took the metal out of it. Now it sucks.

Park ski.. no metal, but I still like em stiff. Anything else... I like metal.
Jun 9 2011 12:42AM
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CassiusClay
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Weight? Really? A lot of skis with 'metal' aren't any heavier, and many models are actually much lighter than a thick wood core. Have you ever honestly thought about how thin the strips of metal they put in a pair of skis are? You wouldn't be able to tell a difference in weight, only in stiffness.

Unless you're snapping skis in half, durability doesn't really increase much and seeing as how most NSer's deal mostly only with delam/edge issues before they ditch a pair of skis its not really a problem. It just gives the ski stability, some stiffness, and extra life.
Jun 9 2011 1:14AM
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corona
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oh hi


but yea, metal in skis definitely makes them a lot more stiff and springy too. since most skis with metal will use something similar to titanal or 7000  series aluminum which both have similar properties to spring steel (where when it's bent it will spring back to its original form instead of staying bent). not something you'd generally see in a park ski.


and as for edges, I'd really like to see a park ski made with lignum vitae. It's an incredibly dense, strong wood that old old wooden skis were edged with. and I'd imagine for rails it would be nothing be wonderful.
Jun 9 2011 1:29AM
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jca
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skis with metal are definitely more damp than skis without...

og legend pro for example - fucking awesome, damp ski that just plows through everything.
Jun 9 2011 1:35AM
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CassiusClay
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They is park skeeze with metals! Tehy exist!
Jun 9 2011 1:36AM
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kthnxbai.
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most of the skis ive ridden with metal have been heavier and lost a lot of pop quickly.  ive seen quite a few skis with metal that have just bent out of shape from bad landings.  once its bent it doesnt want to go back to normal.  i have always had better luck with wood staying poppy and resilient.

and yea there are models with metal that are lighter but most of them arent park skis that kids here will be buying. 
Jun 9 2011 1:40AM
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Proletariat.
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melted down fedoras
Jun 9 2011 1:43AM
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corona
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i have a pair of park skis with an aluminum sheet in them. really fun ski
Jun 9 2011 1:44AM
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RudyGarmisch
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I very much disagree with this in so many ways.
Jun 9 2011 2:02AM
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corona
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make a ski with a lignum vitae mid section designed specifically for mostly rails. then make millions and send me a free pair
Jun 9 2011 2:11AM
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TWoods
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A Damp ski isn't a bad thing. A ski that's not lively is a bad thing. A ski can be damp (stable, not be super chattery when skiing choppy shit fast) and still be lively and poppy. Metal isn't the only thing that makes a ski lively.
Jun 9 2011 2:17AM
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TWoods
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plus, metal is heavy and it can bend and stay bent.
Jun 9 2011 2:18AM
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corona
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my pair of seth pistols are permanently bent, and I'm almost certain they have no metal in them. plus you'd have a much much more difficult time bending a ski with metal. like i said earlier, the metals used (mostly an aluminum alloyed with zinc) are a spring metal where they will not bend and stay bent without some serious effort
Jun 9 2011 2:27AM
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ski-or-die
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yeah metal is great cant say enough about em got to have at least one pair like that since they will out last your others skis anyways
Jun 9 2011 3:17AM
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B-runge
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I HAVE IT FOR ULTIMATE FORCE!
Jun 9 2011 4:00AM
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BIGben*
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I find it too responsive, and forced looking to butter on skis w/ metal .
Jun 9 2011 6:16AM
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gawd
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I'm not the one that said it, just passing on what i read.
Jun 9 2011 7:22AM
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colleenator
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OLOL nice dp.
but i had metal edged all mountain skis and they were a lot heavier than my park skis now. the metal ones i could still go in park but it was a bit difficult to pop higher. makes sense, metal = heavier
Jun 9 2011 9:24AM
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Matty_C
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All I have to add is that I've owned two pairs of Line P100s which have a layer of metal. They are pretty light for a ski that size, so metal doesn't necessarily make a ski heavy. I don't know about bending, but they have certainly lost a bit of camber after a bit of use. To me this is no bad thing- I now almost have a bit of early rise which doesn't suck. Maybe slightly less effective on groomed but I don't mind. Compared that with my Line Pollard Soul Rebels which have seen a LOT of use and still have a ton of camber (no metal).

Metal can be a good thing. No metal can be a good thing.

Jun 9 2011 9:24AM
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a_pla5tic_bag
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i thought tht the metal in the ace of spades was what made them perma rocker.
Jun 9 2011 12:21PM
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monkatizer
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no metal imo
Jun 9 2011 12:48PM
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I_Am_Mod
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metal in itself says nothing about a skis properties, be it stiffness, weight, durability, camber, whatever.....
it's the type of alloy inside and how its used in composition with other materials what gives a ski its specific properties....

Usually tough the metal composites are usually found in stiffer skis, in the skis i own it's in my P4 and my fischers which are both stiff as fuck!

Jun 9 2011 12:55PM
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kthnxbai.
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kind of contradicting yourself - "metal in itself says nothing about skis properties" "it's the type of alloy inside" so you are saying different metals will yield different results.  i.e. skis with metal losing camber and stayng bent unlike wood core skis.
Jun 9 2011 3:34PM
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rozboon
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I was always firmly in the "hell no, no metal in my core thank you very much" kinda group until I skied the Ace of Spades Ti which has 2 layers of the stuff... then I bought a pair. They're so lively, the metal basically works like a spring... and while wood CAN be springy, would you rather have a wooden spring or a metal one?

Still love my big wooden skis though... wood + carbon = really fun too.
Jun 9 2011 8:41PM
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