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Hardest questions to ask a religious person

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Steve-Brown
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yah, we're trying to ask our pastor super hard questions so...shoot some about all religions or just plain religions

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-k for hate or just dumb questions!
Jun 8 2011 6:43PM
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MitchPee
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Don't capitalize religion in a sentence. It's not proper grammar. Koran is merely an english word, depicting our pronunciation of it. If you knew the complexities of Arabic-English translation you would also know it's why we can correctly say Usama/Osama Bin Laden, Al Qaeda/Al Qa'ida, etc. The New Testament is Christian biblical literature, that's all I was going for. I never said I believed that was a description of the origin of life. These are merely slight examples I used, and the fact that you pointed this out and not my other important points (why Christianity has more "evidence" than Islam, Buddhism, etc) shows you have little to defend whatever point you were trying to make.

I probably challenged your deep rooted faith, sorry I had to be blunt. Why don't you tell me why you disagree with my actual premise of argument rather than nit pick things to try and discredit me from knowing about "history" of religion or should I assume, like you did with me, that you have little background of logical thinking.
Jun 10 2011 3:47PM
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arandomname
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I misunderstood what you were saying because it sounds a lot like you are saying "do you want me to discuss the rest of the extremist muslim religious sects like Israel and Palestine, and maybe the Holocaust."  Well that's what I understood from this: "did you want me to discuss the rest of the extremist muslim religious sects, perhaps israel and palestine, maybe the holocaust"

Also, the Holocaust was not very related to religion.  Sure, he killed the Jews who were religious, but he also killed the Jews who were not religious.  Being jewish can be a racial or religious thing.

Jun 10 2011 3:57PM
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hurrdurr
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how does it feel to believe only in the god that your parents and people around you tell you to believe
Jun 10 2011 4:03PM
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fillup
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Why you so dumb, huh?
Jun 10 2011 4:20PM
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Girays_Brother
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what makes jesus any different than the "prophets" or "gods" before him such as dionysus, attis, or Krashna and a huge handful of others that share the same backround story. Son of a virgin, born december 26th, walked on water, water into wine, betrayed for pieces of silver, ressurrection, crucifixion, Shepherd child, parents leaving him on his own, being titles the "alpha and omega" "lamb of god" or his "Only begotten son. The list goes on and on. Basically following old pagan myths, and ancient religions that are seen nowadays as completely far fetched

If Jesus existed and did all it was said, why was he forgotten for 40 years, brought back in 70 AD instead of after his death in 33AD, Did people just forget that the was a man who could cure the sick, and walk on water that just died because of all their sins? I dont think people would keep quiet about that even if they would be "prosecuted"
Jun 10 2011 4:33PM
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AGOF
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God created people in his image/likeness
Greedy ass people
Yes, ranking of the commandments shows that listening to God is more important than not committing murder (will not hold up in court btw)
God has already provided enough evidence in His favor, even if more miracles happened, people would still find ways to not believe in Him
I don't, no man does, It is impossible to understand everything that God has said and done.
Again, what church leaders do can have no relationship to what God wants us to do.
Jun 10 2011 5:10PM
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JamesR
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I used to argue with religious people until I realized that I was being a huge hypocrite. There I was trying to get them to apply rationality to their lives and use logic and reason when I myself was ignoring the facts; that they were broken creatures who were incapable of embracing reality. My advice to all freethinkers: if you're going to spend time "converting" someone, choose someone who has the capability/intelligence for it. Don't waste your time provoking hypothalamus reactions in the intellectually stunted. Thread relevant: Do gods make decisions, changes, or adjustments regarding reality? If yes, ask how the gods could be omniscient and omnipotent and still have to make changes.
Jun 10 2011 5:46PM
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hockeyplayer
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I see your point here.
Jun 10 2011 6:36PM
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Wis_Skier_23
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exactly correct.  I am not saying anyone is stupid for not being a Christian, they are entitled to believe what they want, but my point to my statement is that there is too much evidence to say Jesus of Nazareth did not walk the earth, and in turn, it is up to you to believe what you want (if he is Lord or not) from there. 

havent watched the video but it looks interesting though
Jun 10 2011 7:58PM
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ohmythugaim
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What about evidence that he is the son of god/performed miracles/did anything special at all?
Jun 10 2011 8:21PM
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Jeffmnicholas
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u speak in riddles
Jun 10 2011 10:11PM
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casual
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Did you just watch The God That Wasn't There on Netflix too? That's the exact argument proposed in it, in the same order, ha!
Jun 10 2011 10:34PM
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RoofDaRoofieDogg
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how do magnets work?
Jun 10 2011 10:35PM
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hockeyplayer
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the negative attracts the positive.


Jun 10 2011 11:27PM
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Bodhisattva_
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Lolz
Jun 10 2011 11:41PM
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Mr.O
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Please watch the sermon I posted on it. The pastor gives good explanations, but you all are still free to believe what you like. I just think it is a little absurd to tell someone they are dumb for what THEY believe.

That would be like some stranger coming up to you and saying skiing is the worst sport ever, you cant change their mind and if you try to convince them they tell you your examples/evidence is stupid.
Jun 13 2011 6:31PM
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alztar
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My sister sent me this:http://xkcd.com/154/
Click for larger image
Jun 13 2011 6:53PM
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HitTheJim
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You fucked with the wrong person.
Jun 14 2011 3:37PM
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feihlination
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the first question deal with the general concept of a (creator) god and the latter ones directly concern christianity.

PLEASE GO THROUGH THESE QUESTIONS, THANKS, SAVE MY SOUL:



1) where does god come from since he is the source of everything? believing in a god just adds one additional piece to the puzzle. who created the creator? who created the creator of the creator? and so on.

2) you mentioned satan as a source of evil. but with that you admit that god is not allmighty. why would you pray to a entity that is not allmighty? might as well pray to me, i am at least on the same planet.

3) its pretty obvious that our world is not fair. WE are a spoiled, satisfied generation without major wars (western world), with more than enough to eat, education and luxury items. but then, there are billion people living in their own dust, struggling to find something to eat, plagued by natural desasters, civil wars, violence and dying because of diseases which are no big deal in western countries. how can a fair god let this happen? and even more important, why do you pray to a sadist?

4) why would a nice and fair god bury fossils somewhere or create a world that looks like it was created through a big bang when really he just created in a week? why would he want to fool us?

5) why would he create a universe that looks like nothing in it could stand above physical laws (as a god would)? why would he give us "logic", that tells us to use ockhams razor (choosing a simpler theory over a complexer theory; and a theory that god created everything needs to explain the origin of god, so its LOGIC to leave that part out and just deal with the origin of our universe) knowing that this is wrong?

6) so, lets go back to jesus words. how much of his words are transported in daily christian rituals? not so much, right. and a half dozen important aspects of christianity (e.g. JESUS DIED FOR OUR SINS) are marketing inventions of paul and the early christians. whats about the apocryphs?

7) jesus took his legitimation from the fact that he is born in the bloodline of david (as its mentioned in daniels prophecies: the messiah will be an offspring of david). so joseph is an offspring of david, right? but have you asked yourself why this should have ANY meaning? BECAUSE JOSEPH IS NOT JESUS' FATHER. one of the most central aspects of christianity has a huge logical gap.

8) when reading the gospels regarding the miracle of the loaves and fishes, its obvious that the gospels differ on the number of "produced" loaves and fishes. pretty lame for a god-inspired book, isnt it? whats even more interesting is the fact that there is a buddhist story with the exact same amount of loaves and fishes in one gospel.

9) which christian church is the correct one?

10) which religion is the correct one?

11) why took it the vatican over 400 years to realize the world is not flat?

12) what will happen with all the countries/money the church wrongfully claimed through the donation of constantine?

13) when will the catholic church apologize for their treatment of native tribes/foreign cultures all over the world?

14) who is more credible? the (not perfect [as seen above]) new testament saying that jesus is the son of god OR the islam/indian tradition saying that he was just a prophet and survived the crucifixion and died in india?



you get my point. i could go on forever.




Jun 14 2011 5:38PM
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Flying~Squirrel
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to the people who are hating on the church / religion: its cool if you dont believe it all (i dont), but keep in mind that most religion is pretty solid, and not some evil conspiracy. head over to the church in your town and youll see people donating, solid lessons about morality being taught, and a sanctuary for lots of people to find hope. most religion is nothing to be hated, even if you dont believe in it, and that should be remembered.
Jun 14 2011 6:15PM
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CrunkNugget
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this is the kind of intelligent religious debate i like to see on ns, i'm sick of all the "christians are dumb lol"

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Jun 14 2011 6:25PM
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snowbombz
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gonna ask my evangelical cousins this
Jun 14 2011 6:34PM
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feihlination
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i can totally see the positive aspects of christianity. no doubt. what i say is that religion has its place and science has its place.

but what i do criticise with most christians is that they overexaggerate religions meaning when it comes to scientific concepts. anybody taking the bible literally in order to extract historic, biological or cosmological "truth" is seriously hurting me.

but from what i know about science and especially cosmology, there are questions left. pretty deep and important questions. to me, the universe was constructed so that the origin can never be explained (due to the singularity).

i even question the moral aspect of religion nowadays. most countries have an independent legislation and thus a moral code which needs no religion.

so, in the end, religion has its place to me, and this place is as a crutch (not meant in a negative way, not at all) for people experiencing times of trouble, solitary, loneliness or grief. but it shouldnt be the reason why people meet once in a week (heck they can watch a football game or jog together) or act in a certain way.

science should never try to destroy this last resort of providing a "meaning". but it has the authority to fuck the bible up and down because of mistakes and scientific impossibilities.
Jun 14 2011 7:24PM
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CrunkNugget
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i mostly agree with you, but i believe that religion and science shouldn't have to contradict.
I believe that science explains how, and religion addresses who and why.

i'm a christian, but i believe in evolution and i think that people who take the first two chapters of the book of Genesis literally are simply ignorant. it was never meant to explain exactly how the earth was created. it certainly wasn't six days as we know it since day and night weren't created until the 3rd day. I think creation probably took place over billions of years.

as for abortion and gay marriage, i am opposed to both, but nonetheless i think they should be allowed by law and simply not practiced by those who don't agree with it . that's how it is for almost everything else that christians disagree with, and i see no reason for it to be different with gay marriage or abortion.

i think religion needs to be more than a crutch for people, but people shouldn't force it on one another. i believe that God gives us the free will to take it or leave it.
Jun 14 2011 8:06PM
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ohmythugaim
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Why do you believe in god?
Jun 14 2011 9:16PM
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tripnip
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is bthis
Jun 14 2011 9:23PM
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