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Pow/Bump skis

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SKIANYWHERE
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Looking for some big pow skis that also do well in the bumps and are easy to play with and hit some backcountry jumps with. I'm 6' 145lbs and im an agressive skier that likes cliff drops, jumps, etc. Looking at the EP pro, Sir Francis Bacon, Atomic Bentchetler, Ski logiks, and K2 Obsetheds. Any other skis that are good....please share
May 26 2011 9:42PM
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lanny94
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i dont do moguls but rnt bump skis suppost to be quite thin thats kinda askin for 2 completly opposite thigns is it not
May 26 2011 11:28PM
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NWPA
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All of those skis you mentioned won't do well in bumps. If you want a pow dedicated ski you're gonna have to settle for shitty performance on bumps.
May 26 2011 11:29PM
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wheezy
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totally agree with above post...

your not going to have any fun in the bumps with a dedicated pow ski. but if you want a ski that will be fairly manageable in the bumps and fairly manageable in some pow then you should look more at some rockered all mountain skis. I skied the Volkl bridge in pow and bumps and had a fair amount of fun in each. I have also heared that the Moment Tahoe is decent in bumps as its fairly light (next years has some rocker)

hope that helps 

May 26 2011 11:39PM
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seanzy96
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there is no ski that can double as a pow and mogul ski. plain and simple. the best you can hope for is something really soft, like really, so you can shred some bombed out pow/moguls. but then you are jammed with too wide ski. forget the moguls, rock pow
May 27 2011 9:11AM
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flexpattern
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I've skied moguls and bumps on armada jjs - they weren't great but at least i felt in control
The jjs work really well on hard piste and all over the mountain - which is impressive for pow skis
May 27 2011 10:00AM
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SKIANYWHERE
Posts: 135 - Karma: 13
well, u know what i mean, on a pow day all that pow turns into bumps either later in the day or the next day so i need a ski thats fairly manigeable in both. however i have a pair of park skis also so i dont need these pow skis everyday.
May 27 2011 10:51AM
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Pastie
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You mean POPPY skis?
May 27 2011 11:25AM
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.nasty
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well this'll sound really weird but my moment melee's RAPE the bumps. I feel it's because the sidecut is a very small 15mm (135-120-135) like most mogul skis are (very straight sidecut) and it causes less catch on the bumps. They perform better than my stiffer surface watch lifes which have full camber.
May 27 2011 12:46PM
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.jersey
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yea, agreed with the above posts. My skis aren't all pow but the head is rather fat (salomon lords) and they definately aren't great in bumps. I would love to have a ski that could do some powder and bumps though.
May 27 2011 12:56PM
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RedCloud
Posts: 125 - Karma: 21
As others have mentioned bump skiing and pow skiing require opposing things in a ski. Thus no ski will be able to slay both. It is a compromise. This is the reason some of us have pretty big quivers and some folks even take a second pair of skis to the mountain to switch to in the afternoon...

My first question is what kind of bump skier are you? Do you ski the "zipper line" at full tilt? Or just bounce around between lines and ski them a little more leisurely. I ask because I have seen many folks do pretty well on more dedicated pow skis such as CRJs, JJs, and HellBents... To be honest my CRJ's are pretty manageable until things get real tight. When I say tight I'm referring to lines like the Olympic line at deer valley, or the line that wasatch freestyle puts at snowbird in the spring (sorry for the Utah biased references)... Skiing those type of my lines it is almost impossible to stay in control with my CRJs. (In some sick way it is fun though). If the bumps are loose like at most resorts, I have no issue getting my CRJs around, it just may be a little more work.

With all that being said, there are some skis that perform pretty well in both conditions. These type of skis are marketed as "park/pow" skis. Basically you want a ski around 95 waist, not super stiff, and a little bit of tip and tail rocker. Some examples are the Rossi S3 and the ON3P Jmo. I have skied both in both conditions and love both of them. I own the Jmos. The Jmos have turned into my "it snowed less then 8 inches and I have no idea what conditions will be like." If you are a reasonable bump skier these type of skis should not hold you back. Also if you are a reasonable POW skier, these skies should not hold you back either.... Like before, these hybrids won't rip a bump line like my little old hart f17s nor will you be able flow the powder as easy as some CRJ's, but I guarantee these hybrids will leave a smile on your face in both conditions and if your buddies leave you in the dust, it won't be the skis fault...

Hope that helps. There a lot more skis in the "95ish waist and rocker category", since the "park/pow ski" is all the rage now. I'm sure folks will ring in with their favorites... Here is a list of skis I would consider in this area (the bigger the waist the better the pow performance, but you give up a little bump performance)

Rossi S3
ON3P Jeronimo
K2 Domain
K2 Kung Fujas
Line Blend
Line Chronic Cryptonite
Surface Double time
Surface Watch Life
4FRNT Turbos
Liberty Helix
Scott Dozer
Moment Rocker



May 27 2011 1:40PM
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RedCloud
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Sorry for the double post:

Something else that occurred to me is that you (OP) mentioned skiing well when the Pow is getting skied out. Crud performance is a whole other beast... I don't think there is a solid consensus on what makes a good crud ski but I can tell you what I like.

Nothing skis crud like my prophet 100s. For some reason they absolutely slay variable condition crud. If I can't ski them in crud, then I would prefer an all out pow ski in crud.... That is probably just my preference. Depending on where you ski, that may be an argument for a more pow oriented hybrid. Some resorts tend to stay crudy and not get true moguls for a few days, and other resorts seem to get solid moguls by afternoon....

Hopefully I haven't thoroughly confused you. Good luck!
May 27 2011 2:00PM
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AJizzle
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Hahahaha the lords kill bumps, ur high
May 30 2011 3:44PM
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Lemuel
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Eugh, someone above said to get a soft ski for bumps? Fail.

And skiing rockered skis in bumps is interesting, it is so much different. I can shred some decent bumps on my one lifes, but once you get moguls that are either big, icy, or tight, it's a challenge. I would recommend something between 95-105, on the stiffer side, maybe a little bit of rocker. But if you aren't skiing true bumps, and are only skiing crud, then a standard pow ski (still on the stiffer side) will do perfectly fine.
May 30 2011 3:53PM
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randyjohnson
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ep pros
May 30 2011 10:37PM
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jon@wh2o
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I'm skiing this coming season's version of these: http://epicplanks.com/skis/cropduster/, and they kill it in pow and bumps. Not too shabby in crud either. However it's all about how you ski personally, and not what skis you have.
May 31 2011 12:46AM
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Caveman.
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Funny that I saw this thread. I was just talking about how fun our new ski, the Jeffrey is in bumps. Its a new ski we prototyped this spring, essentially a hybrid of a 181 Jeronimo and 191 Caylor. I skied them in about 8" of snow with a consistency somewhere between powder and cascade concrete. They performed well, very surfy, buttery and poppy yet they still maintain a stiffer and poppier flex very well suited for charging forward and backwards. I rode them again yesterday at Timberline and had a blast skiing buttering around on drifts and lips. I also got into one of the camp's mogul lanes and these ski bumps surprisingly well. If I could only have one pair of skis it would be these.

Jeffreys are 186 cm, and the dimensions are 138, 108, 130
May 31 2011 4:50PM
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SKIANYWHERE
Posts: 135 - Karma: 13
ive heard good things about the ep pros. care to share what kind of skier u are and how u like em?
Jun 1 2011 1:51PM
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Caveman.
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Forgot, I wanted to include the rocker profile too.

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Jun 1 2011 2:00PM
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AJizzle
Posts: 1882 - Karma: 522
Ep pros are horrendous in the bumps!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jun 1 2011 5:13PM
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jca
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cant wait to get on a pair of these rigs.
Jun 1 2011 6:07PM
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