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Probably a stupid question...

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-GL-
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Try not to hate that hard on this, but i was wondering like how much of the revenue a regular ski mountain or hill gets from like families(like in percentage) because this probably is a stupid idea but what if a mountain just turned the whole thing into a giant park or like just has random jumps and rails and stuff set up all over the place. Its an obvious safety hazard for like beginners and like families probably wouldnt wanna go but my main question is would this idea just completely fail and why? my main idea is it wouldnt bring in enough $$. Again this is a pretty stupid idea probably my brain is half melted because of the long hours of homework i just completed
May 10 2011 7:39PM
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crab_pretzel
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echo mountain is almost all park. but i cant answer your question exactlly
May 10 2011 7:44PM
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dunesquirrel
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no question is a stupid question.
May 10 2011 7:45PM
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mer-man
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^^^^

WOW, I can believe this is NS..

May 10 2011 7:51PM
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mer-man
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can't *
May 10 2011 7:51PM
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SKIU4EA
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Mount Snow has 1 peak completely dedicated to park.  Every trail off the top are Small to XL hits as well as natural parks with log jibs/wall rides.  Fuckin sick

Doubt you will ever see 1 entire resort commit to just park.  It's just foolish from a business standpoint.  Cause families bring in HUGE amounts of revenue to fuel the resort(families on vacation).  But who knows... freestyle skiing has gotten so huge, you never know.  I would buy a pass there, especially if they invested in a sick summer setup program.

May 10 2011 7:56PM
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casual
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The most successful resorts are all family-oriented. Families get hotels, eat expensive dinners and buy nick-nacks and bullshit from overpriced stores. Skibums only buy cheap beer, weed, and tacos.

Day tickets this year at Breck were $100+ during peak days. Most people skiing park are pass-holders, whom the resorts make nothing off of.
May 10 2011 8:04PM
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jca
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"every question is a stupid one" - my grade 12 math teacher. fuck that was a funny class.

But to answer your question, families bring way more money to a ski hill and nearby towns because they buy lodge food, go out for dinner, stay in hotels, etc. whereas your typical park rat is usually trying to get buy with spending as little money as possible.

Ski hills dont even make much money from ticket sales anyways. Real estate is what everyone is trying to milk.
May 10 2011 8:07PM
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-GL-
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wow guys thanks for all the great responses espically the last two thats basically what i was thinking
May 10 2011 8:08PM
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RubberSoul
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yeah, like people have said mt snow has an all park peak (SICK) and i think.. bear mtn or somewhere in the west is mostly park? idk don't quote me on that.. at all

but yeah the money comes from families coming for a few days and spending all kinds of money on food and other shit like expensive 3 day passes for the whole family, not young guys who hold season passes and have a spliff for lunch

also i cant imagine the whole insurance cost situation would benefit from putting rails and jumps all over the mountain. but dont quote me on that either
May 10 2011 8:10PM
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SKIU4EA
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^   damn man... you really don't want to be quoted on anything   haha
May 10 2011 8:25PM
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RubberSoul
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if i catch you quoting me...
May 10 2011 8:26PM
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PJS.
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There shall be hell!!!
May 10 2011 8:29PM
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SKIU4EA
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For the record...  Bear Mtn is all park, and also, rails all over the place isn't so great as far as insurance costs  according to RubberSoul...  lol

May 10 2011 8:40PM
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RIP_leos_shack
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Echo Mountain (just outside of Denver) IS 100% park. Actually I guess they have a bunny hill too but other than that it's all park. There's one lift and a lodge that doesn't rip the fuck out of you.

And also I wouldn't say that it's families that resorts (at least like Vail and Aspen) make the most off of. It's from all the richass motherfuckers from around the world that buy a 10 day ticket, ski 4 days, go shopping everyday and spend $60,000.
May 10 2011 11:20PM
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Hughes
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if the whole mountain is park there will be a higher concentration of gapers in the park.
May 12 2011 11:42AM
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c.davis
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Big bear in Cali has hundreds of features all over their resort..
May 12 2011 12:05PM
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Jibberino
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Snowpark NZ?
May 12 2011 12:09PM
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PJS.
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whoa rubbersoul link in post....
May 12 2011 12:33PM
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nickyp
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Basically, families subsidise park rats. Resorts make a significant profit on families, or a loss, or a marginal profit on park riders. A park pass for an average sized resort, is what, like $800. If you think that the resort has to specially employ a park crew, buy features, and run lifts, then the amount of money made off season passes is minimal.
May 12 2011 12:59PM
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Davy.Crockett
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i've always wanted to visit a place like this. like, where your skiing down groomers on the way to the lodge and theirs just randow rails/jibs set up all over
May 12 2011 1:18PM
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moonofendor
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and that would be if the person holding the pass only went a couple of times outta the year. When I was still in high school I'd ski almost everyday and get probably close to 85 days in (midwest). I know by the time the second week of the season all those days I spent skiing were free to me, and costing the resort money.

When I was working at a resort most money was either brought in through families or school programs. School programs being the most because it'd be close to 2000 kids purchasing a pass, buying food, and taking lessons. That would only be one day of the week also.
May 12 2011 1:27PM
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RubberSoul
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right? i was hoping it was a link to a place to buy the album lol
May 12 2011 1:34PM
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Inline.
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ur not stupid! well maybe you are i just don't know.....
May 12 2011 6:30PM
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shredsox
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Didn't most of you start out skiing park with you family, or while they skied elsewhere? Parks are part of the package now. Only places with really incredible terrain like alta thrive without a park. Most families have a kid that wants to ski park, so parks bring in family money too.

It would be really hard to maintain features all over the mountain - rails don't build/fix themselves.
May 12 2011 7:57PM
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Baskilla
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BIG BEAR, CA/ ECHO MT, CO/ SNOWPARK, NZ/ are str8 park mountains... just to name a few


May 13 2011 11:21AM
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erejto64
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correct me if im wrong but i believe snow park in new Zealand is completely park
May 13 2011 3:22PM
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