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Creatine -- Yes/No?

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Negro_Jesus
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Im considering taking creatine, i know it has a bad rep, but im just wondering what other users on NS have experienced?
May 8 2011 2:47PM
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californiagrown
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you got muscle memory working for you broski. get back in the weight room, get your diet right, and you will get your results back within 6 weeks.
May 9 2011 2:43PM
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californiagrown
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there are no health concerns with monohydrate, other than cramping caused by dehydration...which apparently is the same with the stuff you used...


The difference is the bioavailability of the CHl vs CMo. So you have to look at the cost analysis...monohydrate is pretty damn cheap nowadays,


300grams of CHl for $35 or so

300 grams of CMo for $10 or so



thats a large difference in price
May 9 2011 3:10PM
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californiagrown
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from everything ive skimmed so far, the CHl is a better product in that it is absorbed much more efficiently...

but with its price, is it efficient? i say no...but thats one guys opinion.
May 9 2011 3:12PM
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californiagrown
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that has bioavailability issues. you ARE wrong on that one.

go good ol' monydrate if you are on a budget, go with the CHl if you arent.
May 9 2011 3:17PM
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californiagrown
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let me rephrase, you have to be careful on kre alkylyn because it is essentially monhydrate but with a buffer attached so it doesnt break down into waste products as easily. osme companies use bootlegged buffers, that effectivly stunt the absorbtion. its also, again, more expensive.

May 9 2011 3:27PM
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ElbridgeGerry
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You're so fucking dumb man.


Do you understand the different energy systems that the human body goes through? You wouldn't be able to run farther and have greater endurance because of a saturation of Creatine in your muscles. The body has to rely on other energy sources to create ATP after the ATP-PCr system threshold has been reached. Now in terms of exercise WITHIN the ATP-PCr system, force output would be increased because of the excess OF ATP.


Take a grade 11 exercise science class man. They teach you all this shit.

p.s. I sincerely doubt you've gotten ripped in one summer. Unless you're a douchey bro who has a pigeon chest, abnormally large biceps and 20 inch legs.
May 9 2011 4:20PM
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Poon_Handler
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OP I lift and let me inform you without using any broscience.

Creatine is a waste of money and your gonna piss like a racehorse since your supposed to drink a lot of water. All it does is help you squeeze out an extra rep or two and you lift maybe 2.5-5lbs more depending on the workout. It doesn't fuck up your liver, or your kidneys or any of that bullshit that people say. No side effects whatsoever but it doesn't really do anything other than make you look bloated. I don't use it because of the inconvenience of carrying around all that water weight (10-20lbs of water weight) and pissing every ten minutes.
May 9 2011 4:53PM
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californiagrown
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you just diarrhead broscience everywhere
May 9 2011 5:05PM
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bgould
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you are stupid
May 9 2011 6:22PM
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ElbridgeGerry
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NONONONONONONO


Glycogenolysis ringing any bells? What I'm saying is it(creatine) increases FORCE OUTPUT within the ATP-PCr system. You would not see any benefits outside of that energy system. Creatine would NOT help with endurance as stated prior. It simply does not make physiological sense.



May 9 2011 6:56PM
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ElbridgeGerry
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Its sick. My endurance sky rockets, I get stronger, run faster and longer, and my muscles/joints aren't sore at all after a heavy work out. It's pretty awesome to be honest! Just drink water while working out to avoid cramping (still applies without creatine).


Your endurance WOULD NOT SKYROCKET. Creatine DOES NOT DO THAT. If anything your diet changed and you reaped the benefits. That is why I was calling you stupid.
May 9 2011 6:58PM
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californiagrown
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no it actually does. i did a reasearch paper on it in some sophmore technical writing class, and there are a couple different studies that show an increase in endurance athletes performance. dont remember the specifics, dont care to look it up again.

useless post is useless
May 9 2011 7:26PM
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Mr.Panda
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Sophomore high school or sophomore college?
May 9 2011 11:10PM
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Negro_Jesus
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okay, i was trying to say i dont casually lift once in a while for a few sets of bench and bicep curls like the one guy said above me somewhere
May 10 2011 12:08AM
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Negro_Jesus
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elbridge and happygaper just raped my mind. i feel stupid because i learned this and have no idea what you guys are talking about
May 10 2011 12:27AM
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Daoust
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even though i was only at 14" arms, it was the biggest i was ever at, and literally losing an inch off your arms and having 13" arms and getting a bit of a gut sucks. still have a ton of optimum creatine 2.5g caps, and a bottle of creamax or something (powder), and all my protein. im just waiting till i can get cash to get back into it.

also do your research instead of just asking people, i knew 2 people on it, so i asked for information, even if you dont talk to the person, just ask. They'll be glad to give you info on whatever they know. I was small, but I did tons of research on lifting, and whatever supplement I was interested in, and dieting. I wouldn't have started creatine without the research I did, because at least 3-4 days a week I was out in the heat, playing or practicing for rugby, and didn't want to end up dehydrated.
Things I did to avoid it, was I always drank more then 4L (1 gallon) of water a day (i had a big 1L measuring cup), often drank up to 6L. Yes I was in the washroom almost all day, so I'd bring a 1.5L bottle with me to the gym, and drink it on the walk there and back, I'd drink water anytime I was home and always made sure I drank water at night. Also I didn't do a loading phase or cycle it, I took 5G (grams) everyday even on off days, took it preworkout when going to the gym, with water, some say to take it with some sort of juice because of an insulin spike, in my opinion I don't think theres much of a difference. You can also take it with your postworkout shake, just mix it in with it (dont know if you can do that with pills).

Last thing, many people might say don't take it on non workout days, or after workouts because you'll just piss it out. This is false, it's not just gonna be pissed out. Also you'll hear things about muscle cramps, which may be true, but i never experienced it, even working hard out in the heat playing rugby 3-4 days a week. I always brought extra water with me to rugby usually 3L which would be finished by the time I got home and they say that your gains are water weight, some may be but all are not, creatine gives your muscle some sort of energy, i can't remember the process, and helps you pump out an extra rep or so every set. Which obviously leads to muscle growth, and I also got real nice pumps post workout. And if your gonna stay dedicated to lifting, it's something you definitly want to look into, but if you just go two or 3 times every week or every other week, then it's not worth it.
May 10 2011 1:00AM
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ElbridgeGerry
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Everything I've read states otherwise. It increases weight, which in turn slows the person down. The only benefit I've ever heard of it having on endurance athletes is allows them to perform interval training better(5-15 second bursts). Which in turn could increase overall cardiovascular efficiency. More SV=longer running.
May 10 2011 8:29AM
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Kazabazua
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Just eat more and take pure whey protein. I took creatine for 2 years in highschool. It's really not worth the money.

May 10 2011 9:56AM
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Tasche
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This is probably the most true.

I have found the major benefit to any supplement is the mental boost.

I cycle Creatine from time to time and I do get gains, but for all I know it could be sugar water and I am just working out harder.

With any work out plan diet is going to be the most important, and hardest, factor. Eat well, stop drinking, and you will get in better shape.

I have never been a skinny kid though and I usually am trying to lose weight.
May 10 2011 10:05AM
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californiagrown
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college. like i said there were a couple different studies that show a surprising increase in a group of athletes long term endurance, along with the expected increase in power, and recovery. its also helpful for muscle wasting diseases.


dont just read reviews, and articles people wrote, serach for the actual studies that were done(theres a ton of them), and read them to understand the whole story.
May 10 2011 10:43AM
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bgould
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creatine monohydrate is dirt cheap
May 10 2011 10:44AM
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Kazabazua
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It's also pure shit that you'd be putting into your body. The only reason I'd take that shit is if you paid me, I didn't care about my health and my one and only goal was to gain weight.
May 13 2011 2:35PM
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bgould
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haha please enlighten me. apparently you have discovered something that the thousands of doctors that spent years researching it have not.
May 13 2011 3:08PM
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TheQuailman
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I've taken it occasionally before going to the gym and it definitely gives you a noticeable boost.  If your on a strict routine, getting enough sleep, not doing sports outside, drinking enough water, don't mind the frequent pissing, and horrible shits, then go for it.

As for me I often have to skip gym days cause of random shit, pull all nighters for exams, don't feel like pissing every 15 minutes, don't want to take painful shits, and like to go out drinking as many nights as possible.

It all comes down to the routine.  If you have a solid routine (I would say you've kept your current routine for 1-2 months) plus diet, excercise, sleep, etc. and your not pounding beers every weekend (and thursday and random days of the week) then theres no reason not to add creatine cause it will help.

Then again your 16, it probably feels like your old, but your not so maybe you shouldn't put that stuff into your body.  If you lift hard for a few years without creatine by the time your 18 or 19 you'll be really set so I wouldn't really worry about taking it just cause of your age.

May 13 2011 5:25PM
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a.wall
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i don't see why so many people are hellbent on getting "jacked" anyways. is it so you can kick peoples asses for no reason? staying fit is one thing, but drinking a whole bunch of kife shit and working out every single day just seems pointless. you're all obviously insecure or compensating for something
May 13 2011 5:30PM
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OMGimDADDY
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Just take some animal pump and drink hella synth 6 after your workout, it's protein. And then just drink hella water all day. It works wonders n gets u big. No loading phase, cycling or none of that. Just take a pack a half hour before you work out on an empty stomach and ur set.
May 13 2011 5:52PM
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ElbridgeGerry
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yeahhh, because you're so big man.
May 13 2011 6:32PM
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OMGimDADDY
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No, actually I'm not, I just started. But i don't know where you even got the "you're so big" part from because I never even said that... hmm.
May 13 2011 6:44PM
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ElbridgeGerry
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Just take some animal pump and drink hella synth 6 after your workout, it's protein. And then just drink hella water all day. It works wonders n gets u big. No loading phase, cycling or none of that. Just take a pack a half hour before you work out on an empty stomach and ur set.


It sounded like you were speaking from experience.
May 13 2011 6:47PM
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OMGimDADDY
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Naa not personal experience, like 4 of my friends experiences though.
May 13 2011 6:54PM
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n_b
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yea def. works great works fast. drink a lot of water tho so more creatine absorbs into your muscles. like a gallon to two a day
May 13 2011 8:39PM
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MNS
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honestly what you need to focus on more is diet. bodybuilding in 45% diet, 45%, weights/cardio, and 10% supplements unless you're taking roids, but you still need to eat well with roids!.

dont rely on supplements. simpler goals to aim for are

- Drink only water
- 5-6 meals a day
- cut your carb intake at 6pm
- last protein meal at 8pm
- get a good source of fat and complex carbs. Oatmeal and almonds..

if you live off of oatmeal, almonds, chicken, rice, and greens, you cant go wrong.

btw, im not counting whey powder as a supplement.


May 13 2011 9:09PM
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geteducated
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i don't believe in cutting carbs after a certain time. if you specified what kind of carbs in the GI index i might be inclined to agree with that statement.
May 13 2011 9:28PM
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bgould
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diet is 90% at least
May 14 2011 2:25AM
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_Jeffrey_
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no. you just loose everything you gain.
May 14 2011 2:30AM
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blatt
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It's good for off season workouts but don't do it during whatever sports you play. I find people to be burnt out during games because of creatine use. But the stuff is naturally produced, legal, and overall is a good supplement for weight trainingd
May 14 2011 2:48AM
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DNK
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Sparknotes: I want to conform to being a lax bro dbag but i need to conform to other ns'ers opinions first.. Short story long... They have a bad rep for a reason. hit the gym and keep an eye on the nutrition labels. Carbs have 4 calories/g protein 4 calories/g fats 7 cal/g alcohol 9 cal/gram. do the math.
May 14 2011 3:57AM
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