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Video from Penn State celebrations after Osama Bin Laden's Death

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ch@se
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A few days ago I uploaded this video of the celebration at Penn State University after the news of Osama Bin Laden's death.



http://youtu.be/739ZcF4B4Ys

The video is nearing 20,000 views after only 2 days and has sparked a huge political debate in the comments. I want to see how NS feels about this. Were we wrong in celebrating the death of one of the world's most evil and wanted villains? We were not only celebrating this accomplishment, but we were also celebrating the life of everyone who gave the ultimate sacrifice to make this happen.

What are your thoughts?
May 4 2011 2:49PM
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babujib
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https://newschoolers.com/ns/forums/readthread/thread_id/619790/
May 4 2011 10:01PM
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Yinzer
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I was in that /claim
May 4 2011 10:01PM
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Yinzer
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look everyone, psu wasnt celebrating the death on one man we were celebrating the lose of an organization that killed over 3000 americans ten years ago, and one that continues to kill even its own people even. We were celebrating the
May 4 2011 10:20PM
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Z-Juice
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oh my

May 4 2011 10:23PM
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Yinzer
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dammit NS mobile. long story short we were celebrating AMERICAN VICTORY. It was a worthty cause for celebration, it got out of hand because its penn state, thats what we do
May 4 2011 10:24PM
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babujib
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You honestly do not think that this will reignite their hatred for us? You don't think that they can use the killing of their "brother"/religious leader to recruit more quasi-extremists to their cause? All I'm saying is if Obama were even quasi-intelligent he would have tracked Osama, like his foreign advisors told him to countless times, instead of killing him. Killing him did nothing but throw fuel on the fire, tracking him would have rendered most of the operations that he found out about useless.
May 4 2011 10:31PM
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pmw
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you think that the death of a man who for all we know only played a role in 9/11, living half way across the world, is going to bring a closing feeling to all those that lost loved ones on that day?
somethings wrong in your head
May 4 2011 10:32PM
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pomme-de-terre
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whatever, we are americans and we fucking love to party.


its like an amendment or some shit.
May 4 2011 10:40PM
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garrettwiz
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Heck yeah! That was awesome! and lol at 3:05 he's struggling. also F-U to all of the haters, we killed a bad guy and we need some unity in this country.
May 4 2011 10:44PM
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MitchPee
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Please enlighten me, erudite. I would love for you to point out where I am misinformed, I am always willing to learn.
May 5 2011 12:08AM
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collinder
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From a Canadian's perspective all this Osama death hype makes Americans look like idiots and very primitive as people
May 5 2011 4:18AM
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Mike-O
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Just dropping in to quote yet another moronic iteration of this lovely phrase.
May 5 2011 4:30AM
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ButteredToast.
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hijiiiiiiiw
May 5 2011 3:19PM
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derbski
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Osama death hype? are you joking? This isn't a season finale of a show, or a super bowl, or a video game or anything else that you would make a "hype" thread about. It is the biggest news story of Obama's presidency this far (perhaps not the most impacting on history, or even important, but it is HUGE news).

Maybe its because you don't live here, or maybe it is because you are one of those french sort of canadians and snobbiness is in your nature (does not in fact require french blood), but the thing you are failing to realize is that even if you put aside the 3,000 innocent victims and the gaping hole in New York's skyline, the emotional and psychological damage that Bin Laden did to our entire country warrants our relief at his demise. Yes, we may have gone overboard on the night of the announcement, but you can't blame people for their emotions, and when happy people gather spontaneously it turns into a party. They were not being offensive, they were not saying "Death to Islam", they were happy.

What I do not understand is why you would judge us over the people in the streets of Afghanistan burning US flags. Not Al Qaeda, just normal citizens burning our flag and holding signs of Obama that say "the real terrorist". Why does nobody judge the spectators in Iraq who cheered when they saw Sadam's body swingin on a rope? I mean, I get that we are the greatest nation in the world and everything, but that is no reason to hold us to higher moral standards
May 5 2011 3:59PM
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vauban08
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The difference is only caused by your subjective judgement of al-Qaeda and the western world. THEY might consider our troops or our whole western world merciless and evil and they have damn good reasons to do so (in regard to the countless war-crimes the U.S. and its allies have committed in the southern hemisphere). Therefore, they are celebrating when this evil nation is hit. If innocent people die, they might just compare it to innocent people in Afghanistan and Iraq dying during the US/NATO invasions.

Don't get me wrong - I am also glad this guy is dead. But I wouldn't personally try to moralize the U.S. operation or try to speak of some kind of justice. Justice and ethics had been long forgotten when the U.S., in former days, financially supported all those evil guys like Osama and Hussein who now turn out to be not that grateful. Terrorism is a home-made problem and on the (rightful) way to get rid of it, we are merely clearing up what we once caused. No reason to talk about justice. Just our duty.
May 5 2011 6:12PM
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nickyp
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The US killing Iraqi and Afghan civilians is a terribly sad side-effect of the war on terror. But the US never sets out to harm civilians. It sets out to hunt down those who threaten world security.

Flying a plane full of civilians into a building full of innocent civilians, in a city of innocent civilians is simply cowardice. It is not a war crime, it is a crime against humanity.

Sure, Osama might want to rid his homeland of 'US occupiers', but he should have engaged in the war against the US.
May 6 2011 8:44AM
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vauban08
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al-Qaeda's logic is to harm our society (which they condemn). As they don't have large military equipment, they use the only method they have: killing civilians to spread terror. I completely condemn this, but I don't really know what, in terms of so called "humanity" and human rights, I find worse: killing civilians as a goal or accepting the fact that civilians are killed as "collateral damage". Both, flying a plane into a building killing innocents AND starting a war under false claims killing innocents, are crimes against humanity.

Again, I completely back the current U.S. strategy to eliminate leading terrorists. But as I said, I don't like moralizing it, because our western world once funded these extremists in order to get (cold war) power and access oil, not giving a single flying f*** about the civilians in the middle east. If we now try to get rid of the evil, we are merely clearing up our own mess. And that's, in my opinion, nothing to be proud of or to celebrate, but simply our duty.
May 6 2011 9:12AM
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SketchySwiss
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We used to judge criminals before condemning them didn't we?
Even the nazis were judged during the Nuremberg trials and don't get me wrong, their crimes were way harder than Ossama's.

Anybody talking about justice has no idea of what it is or is talking about his own conception of it.
May 6 2011 9:27AM
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derbski
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we took those nazi's when entire army's captured them in concentration camp raids or battlefields. The simple act of wearing a shirt made Osama bin Laden a threat as he could have had a bomb strapped to his chest. Also, if he were to try to surrender (which I highly doubt, its fucking osama), it wouldn't be because he wanted to stay alive or because he was afraid. It would be because taking him alive would cause SO many hostage situations that US, UN, and I believe even geneva convention rules dictate we do not negotiate. So really, if we would have taken him alive, hundreds if not thousands would be killed, plus he would get a public trial with a microphone to say whatever code they have developed to speak to his good old buddies.

So while you try to debate whether Osama or the nazis were more evil, keep in mind that Germany, its military forces, and its idealistic zealots had NOTHING to fight for and no unifying leader. This situation with Osama is totally different. So, even with your complete assumption that he tried to surrender, I am still glad we capped him in the head. Better him than the hundreds of Americans and middle eastern hostages that would have died.

And yeah, if you could bring one of them back, I would shoot Hitler or Goebbels or Stalin or Osama right in the noggin, even if it looked like they were starting to do the YMCA.
May 6 2011 9:41AM
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ButteredToast.
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All I'm saying is that too many kids said goodbye to mom and dad that morning, and they never came back. Those kid's lives were ruined in seconds on that day and they will never, ever be the same or even close to what they would have been. That shit's not fair at all and I feel like that completely justifies any celebration of Osama's death.
May 7 2011 12:38PM
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vailsux.com
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Your perspective is mad dickish. Yea, I never celebrated the death of saddam and I honestly didn't give half a fuck when I heard they got Osama, it was just another piece of good news. But people can do what ever the hell they want, party in the streets I don't give a shit. Why do you have to look at it in such a condescending manner?. . . and are you implying primitive is a bad thing? I spend a good portion of my life searching for primitive places and people. Living in a state of privation really helps me gain personal power. Plus I don't think partying in the streets of a large city to celebrate current events is that primitive, it kind of seems. . . I don't know. . . modern?
May 7 2011 2:37PM
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k-rob
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random statement of the day award goes to you, sir.
May 7 2011 2:41PM
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NickSki.
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Im Canadian...
May 7 2011 2:45PM
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babujib
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You do realize Osama did not plan those attacks, the REAL mastermind behind 9/11 was Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. Osama simply wrote a check with his family money to Mohammed to pay for some of the expenses of planning and everything.
May 8 2011 6:07PM
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casual
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l@@x: you don't know which is worse? hmm....in one instance there's demonstrable malicious intent, in the other there's negligence at worst. seems pretty cut and dry, might want to check your moral compass. clearly, american foreign policy is flawed and our nation's conduct is partially resposible for fostering terrorism and other types of extremist fervor. however, those justifying and excusing away the intentional and deliberate murder of non-combatants are fucking fools and instead of sounding worldly and compassionate, you sound like naive, idealistic children. obl was a piece of shit infinitely more interested in his own legacy than any sort of nobel cause. good riddance, whether his death has a tangible effect on our national security or not. i think the real terrorists are arrogant western teenagers with no concept of reality making statements about issues they know next to nothing about and only began giving a shit about 6 months ago because of stephen colbert and acquaintances fb statuses.
May 8 2011 7:09PM
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lands11
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He was responsible for the deaths of thousands of American lives including my uncle, fuck him. I will celebrate the death of that scum bag all I want. If you don't want to celebrate it don't but don't tell me I'm wrong for celebrating the death of a man who took the life of my family member.
May 8 2011 7:18PM
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PhaedeD
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come dude get educated. osama wasnt even running that shit anymore. him getting killed is great and all but in the end wont do anything.
May 8 2011 7:48PM
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ch@se
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Couldn't have said it better.
May 9 2011 7:28PM
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infedel_one
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well said sir. osama was a bad man. when bad men die we celebrate because they can no longer terrorize our dreamz and livez. The American people have been terrorized for atleast the past 10 years. I for one celebrated with some beers, nothin like this though hahaha
May 9 2011 7:33PM
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ch@se
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ZOMG... Mt.Lebanon No wai!!!!!!!!! I know where that is!
May 9 2011 8:20PM
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ch@se
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I live like 1:45 north of there!
May 9 2011 8:42PM
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