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Does anyone else see the osama assassination as not that good?

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babujib
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Al-Qaeda has really been relatively quiet as of late, global terrorism has been on a steady decline for the past few years. Does anyone else think that this killing will incur retaliation from Al-Qaeda? Osama died a martyr for his cause, against his enemy. Recruitment for Al-Qaeda will rise. Think about it this way; if any one country collectively killed our leader, Obama, and then pranced around their presidential palace drunkenly celebrating the killing on T.V., that the U.S. would launch a massive war on terror? Also, Osama led through financially supporting operations with family money, don't you think that his family will pour MORE money into terrorist operations due to this killing?
I'm just trying to give you guys a different perspective I guess. I'm expecting some immature shit like "you're a bad American"or whatever, but hopefully some people will take this moderately seriously and not act so churlish.
May 2 2011 2:16AM
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PJS.
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its all symbolism. people associated him with al qaeda, so even if his death doesnt change anything, people will feel as though a major victory has taken place. another will rise though.
May 2 2011 5:37PM
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PASKIINGSUCKS
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What scares the shit out of me is that we've given like 5 billion in military aid to pakistan over the past two years.
May 2 2011 5:42PM
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Mr.Panda
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And when we ask them what they were going to use it for to sate some curiosity they get pissed at us.
May 2 2011 5:58PM
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PASKIINGSUCKS
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Hell our own government won't even tell us what they are sending over there. Military aid to a borderline ally/terrorist government should not be classified from the american people that are paying for it.
May 2 2011 6:01PM
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RubberSoul
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yep, quite the tangled web..
May 2 2011 6:02PM
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B-runge
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fucking love any LOTR references
May 2 2011 6:13PM
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Mr.Panda
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My vote would be to just leave that area to it's own devices. India will eventually bomb the shit out of Pakistan for some reason.
May 2 2011 6:15PM
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babujib
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But that's just the thing, this will change EVERYTHING, just not in the way american joe-six-pack thinks it will. It's going to ripple through the ranks of Al-Qaeda, infuriating them. If you weren't scared of terrorist attacks before, you should be now.
May 2 2011 6:52PM
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klayer_9
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No.
He was a piece of shit who needed to die.
The world needed to see that when you fuck with America, you get a 50 cal through the face.


We got him.
Amen.

May 2 2011 6:57PM
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PJS.
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yeah we hadn't shown that before or anything


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oh wait
May 2 2011 7:00PM
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BravoWhiskey5280
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Man there is nothing wrong with people celebrating the death of Osama. The dude is a fucking massive murderer and killed thousands for unjust reasons. As I know you are aware, he killed thousands of American citizens because he believes in an ideology that should be associated with the mentally insane. We killed him because he was the face of terrorism and was the face behind 9/11. Now I know your also aware of the fact that 9/11 fucking changed America along with the rest of the world, so why not celebrate the death of a truly evil man? Fuck Im really glad that motherfucker is dead. If it weren't for him then terrorism probably wouldn't be as prevalent as it is today.
May 2 2011 7:02PM
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babujib
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Osama is only the figurehead of the whole operation. As I said Khalid Shaikh Mohammed formulated the entire 9/11 plot while in Germany, and simply requested for financial support from Bin Laden, money that is STILL THERE. Don't you think it would have been a better idea to track Osama and his actions, and only intervene when they became suspicious? This would've rendered his operations useless, instead of giving Osama exactly what he wanted, martyrdom status. All this is doing is adding more fuel to the cells of Al-Qaeda within this world.
I ran a trip to Rwanda the past 4 years with a guy who works within the government (gets calls from heads-of-state worldwide all the time, pretty high up figure in the conflict-resolution world). I just got off the phone with him, he says that this attack has been in the works since August. The recent tightening of immigration laws that occurred in Arizona/Texas were tied to the U.S. government's belief that there are splinter cells of Al-Qaeda in Mexico trying to move their way into the U.S. He also said that Khalid Mohammad was referring to OUR nuclear capabilities, and how they would target the hundreds of old, poorly protected nuclear power plants in the U.S. (similar to how they claimed to have a "fleet of jets" before 9/11). I don't know if you guys believe this or not, but I know that this guy has some real accurate inside intel.
May 2 2011 7:41PM
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Mr.Huck
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This is correct. His family's wealth was once estimated to be in around $5 bill. He had his own money and seems to have been receiving large sums from high ranking Saudis; not related to him. The Saudi Royal family was not on board with this and ousted the guys who were doing it. That made it tougher for Bin Laden to get money. With Bin Laden gone, it will be even tougher for Al Qaeda to get access to funding.

To all of those who think that he was not involved with planning and control of Al Qaeda, they found him by following his trusted couriers. He was sending written messages out frequently, and there were places near by that had access to tv, internet, etc. As long he had a way to receive and send information, he could be just as involved as he ever was.
May 2 2011 7:51PM
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Mr.Panda
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I'm gonna sound like an asshole but I seriously doubt you know someone that gets calls from heads of state and even if you did they shouldn't be freely talking about shit like that.
May 2 2011 7:51PM
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ShredThePowdah.
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My thoughts exactly OP. The news man was just prancing around saying its the best day in American history. I was saying stfu u gon' get bombed tha fuck up.
May 2 2011 7:54PM
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derbski
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oh no, wouldn't want to offend al qaeda would we? better tone down our emotions and freedom of speech so that the terrorists like us.....

If they had the ability to fuck with us, they would have in the last 10 years after 9-11, its not like they wait for an excuse to kill us.
May 2 2011 7:57PM
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ShredThePowdah.
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You are so fucking stupid. Hahaha

I hope you know that 9/11 wasn't the only terrorist attack...

May 2 2011 7:58PM
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babujib
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I don't care if you believe me or not, but he does. He's a political advisor to the middle east/africa. Not trying to claim, but we've sat down with President Kagame (Rwandan pres.) on multiple occasions after one phone call by this guy. And he should be freely talking about this shit, because people are thinking that this is an amazing feat by the American government without even considering any negative consequences. He said that most of Obama's international advisors were strongly suggesting to track Osama, not kill him. But Obama's political advisors urged him to carry out the mission to receive higher public approval///get re-elected easier.
May 2 2011 8:04PM
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derbski
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yeah, fully aware, I know about the london bombings and what not, but they still have not been able to pull anything off on our soil since, except for the anthrax thing, and didn't that end up being some non-al-quaeda nutjob anyways? What I am saying is that you think that killing Osama will make them anymore likely to attack us? Sure, they may want to more, but they won't be any more able. People will say that it will make him a martyr, but really, they are seeing the fate of their hero forced into solitude for almost 10 years only to be shot before he ever did anything very big again. Even if they double their efforts, you know we have already tripled our terrorist watch.
May 2 2011 8:17PM
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ShredThePowdah.
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Word, not trying to start shit, but trust me. If Al-Queda wants to retaliate (sp?) they will. And that is scary.
May 2 2011 8:20PM
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babujib
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The whole reason that Osama is considered the "leader" of Al-Qaeda was because he preached a new idea of the use of dormant splinter cells to infiltrate behind enemy lines unnoticed. The worry now, comes from the fact that these cells are who knows where, pissed off that their leader was assassinate then ridiculed. If they are, in fact, in Arizona as my "guy on the inside" is telling me, it may be too late to stop them. Just look at the 9/11 attacks, Al-Qaeda was formed in the 80's, the attacks take years to plan (93 WTC bombings, U.S. embassy bombings in the late 90's, 01 WTC attacks, etc.) These attacks don't happen consecutively, they occur sporadically. Most of their power is on the Yemeni border right now, miles away from our second-most important Middle Eastern ally (behind Israel) Saudi Arabia. Do you really think that they are incapable of carrying out another attack? Don't be naive about it, the threat is damn real.
May 2 2011 8:25PM
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derbski
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Sure, they might be able to make a bomb and blow it up somewhere, but they will never have the organization to pull off an attack like 9-11 again. They have no more abilities on our soil than any other crazy person, even a regular citizen, who decides to murder a ton of people.

Oh, and if your "inside guy" actually knows if they are in a state (highly unlikely) you better believe that the CIA knows exactly where they are at every single second.
May 2 2011 8:31PM
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JaayLaay
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I haven't read much from this thread (except the guy talking about his friend who's "on the inside" i thought that was pretty cool) and I really don't know alot about Al Qaeda. But i know that prancing on the streets and partying ON TV isn't going to help us at all. They respected this man and the news even said that he was a spiritual leader to them. They aren't going to be too happy when they see our asses dancing around at the death of their leader. Just my 2 cents.
May 2 2011 8:33PM
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Mr.Panda
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While that may be true maybe some of them should look in the mirror as they were doing that 10 years ago.
May 2 2011 8:34PM
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babujib
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You're proving my exact point, how pissed off did it make the American people? What did we do? Enter a "war on terror" to retaliate that's what. They don't have the capabilities to enter a full-blown war, so they will do what they can, and terrorize the shit out of our country.
May 2 2011 8:44PM
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Mr.Panda
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They are pissed enough for us just being there.

IMHO him being gone, though it might not have a direct effect, is a good thing because I personally feel the guy is a fucking scumbag and he deserves to be dead much like Hitler or Stalin or Pol Pot.

THAT said, I think the US should pull out of Afghanistan completely, out of Iraq completely, and out of every other country in the region and stop giving aid to them all. Time to let them sink or swim.
May 2 2011 8:46PM
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JaayLaay
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Ehhh solid point. Retract my comment.
May 2 2011 8:46PM
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IceCreamer
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The question, and for now the biggest unknown, is whether Pakistan's leaders—political and military—were embarrassed and gratified, or defiant and angry, when Obama called to tell them that he'd just killed Bin Laden and how.


We do know that Pakistan played no role in this raid. As a "senior White House official" revealed in a press briefing Sunday night, the Obama administration kept Pakistanis (like everybody else outside a very small group of U.S. officials and special-ops forces) totally in the dark about the attack until afterward—no doubt for fear that Bin Laden might be tipped off if they were notified in advance. Obama tried to soften the edges in his televised speech, saying "that our counterterrorism cooperation with Pakistan helped lead us to Bin Laden and the compound where he was hiding." But this could refer to the two countries' broad cooperation, not to any specific action, and even so, it only "helped" lead us to Bin Laden.

Obama said in his speech that he'd called President Asif Ali Zardari after the raid and that his team had also spoken with their Pakistani counterparts. "They agreed," Obama said, "that this is a good and historic day for both of our nations." Yet this sentence, too, is a bit vague, starting with just who "they" are. Did all the Pakistanis in those conversations agree that this was a "good" day, or did some of them think otherwise? Ex-President Musharraf, our great former ally of many years, denounced the raid as a flagrant violation of Pakistan's sovereignty. Surely he's not alone in this sentiment.

Will Pakistan's current leaders react by getting serious about rounding up top-level jihadists in their midst? Or will the attack embitter powerful factions in the government and alienate them further from the notion of an alliance with the United States?

May 2 2011 8:58PM
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