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Railkiller edges

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Chuxa
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Hi there, just wondering if are there any skis on the market with the similar technology to Nitro railkiller edges? Basically its a double width and thicker stronger edge under the feet/binding of the rider.
Here is a quick explanation of what I mean:
http://www.kumfsteez.com/2010/09/nitros-railkiller-edge/

Some of my friends ride the boards with that edging an grind rough concrete/metal/kerbs and never have any problems witht eh edges and cracking.

Seems logical that with all this sizzoring that we do now days ppl would start implementing new and innovating edge technology...
Apr 24 2011 9:57PM
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Paul.Marik
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I've never seen it before but it would b nice if some ski companies took a look at this.
Apr 24 2011 10:00PM
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ColinB
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Ski companies are too focused on lightweight products.

this would be ideal though. Good call.
Apr 24 2011 10:04PM
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Chuxa
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Yeah the edges are soo thick on my mates boards it almost looks like two steel plates on both sides of the base. I guess it wouldn't do much good to reduce the weight of the ski, but if I could a setup like this for an urban and specifically for rail seshes then one wouldn't need to invest so much into skis all the time.
Apr 24 2011 10:04PM
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Blurst
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YO EDGE ARMOUR ON SUSPECTS IS THE STRAIGHT ILLEST
Apr 24 2011 10:08PM
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icon1234
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Sounds like salomans edge armor, really legit shit check it out..
Apr 24 2011 10:08PM
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plorr
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I feel like if they had the railkiller edges underfoot, and normal width edges around the rest of the ski, it wouldn't add a whole lot of weight.
Apr 24 2011 10:09PM
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Chuxa
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Haha but I heard that Suspects and Dumonts had terrible edge  durabiility constantly crackign and blowing out. This doesn't make any sense now, *off to research whats involved in salomons edge armor*.
Apr 24 2011 10:15PM
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crab_pretzel
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i agree with this.

btw op thats def a good idea, similar to edge armor but maybe alittle more durable
Apr 24 2011 10:15PM
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Ben.
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how would you blend the 2 though? if it was separate edges it would just fail at the seam
Apr 24 2011 10:35PM
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adamlukowski
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Ninthward claims to have Double thick edges, 2x wider than the standard industry edge
Apr 24 2011 10:38PM
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Chuxa
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Just had a look at their models, yeah looks super solid, great find, thanks +K. Here is their catalog and model range in case anyone needs it. http://ninthward.com/catalog/Ninthward_11-12_Catalog_Email.pdf
They look super legit.
Apr 24 2011 10:52PM
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Peter.
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SHIT DAT STUFF NEVER FAILS
Apr 24 2011 10:52PM
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plorr
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it would be expensive but they could manufacture edges where the keys were bigger in the right spots so it would line up under the binding of the ski. They would have to manufacture different ones for every size of the ski though, so I doubt any company would bother with that.
Apr 24 2011 10:53PM
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plorr
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Yes, but line's fatty edges are simply 5mm thick instead of the traditional 2.5mm. The keys are exactly the same as normal edges. Plus the edges on my anthems were cracked to fuck after 1 season (still my favorite park skis of all time though)
Apr 24 2011 11:06PM
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be nice to salomon!
Apr 24 2011 11:06PM
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plorr
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Yeah to be honest i don't think it is feasable to make skis with edges that will hold up to a 180 lb person repeatedly stomping them onto metal bars.
Apr 25 2011 12:18AM
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plorr
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fuck stupid mobile ns. sorry for like quituble post now. but anyway it seems that edges are always the first thing to go on my skis. So, while i admit edges outliving the rest of my skis would be pointless, i would love to have edges that survive close to as long as the rest of my skis.
Apr 25 2011 12:27AM
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GayWolf420
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It seems a lot of snowboard companies have been somewhat ahead of ski companies technology said. Like someone said above, Companies are way too focused on lightweight products. Although there are some lightweight materials that are stronger than other heavier ones, Its kind of wack that companies really don't have beefier edges on their park skis.
Apr 25 2011 3:09AM
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Chuxa
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Im with you on this, as a ski instructor/coach that spends spends 240+ days on the snow (I travel between hemispheres) edges by far is my only concern when it comes to skis wearing out excessively quick. Almost gets to the point where you don't hit rails because you are conserving the edges.

Just thought that it would become a common practice across_the_field for all park skis to have reinforced buff edges or soem kind of new technology. How mad would it be if somebody could come up with some kind of insert system underfoot, so that one could change edges like soul plates on rollerblades.


Apr 25 2011 7:22AM
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idskithat
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i would definetly sacrifice a bit of weight to have my skis be more durable
Apr 25 2011 7:33AM
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nickyp
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True. I've subjected 4 or 5 paris of Lines, from Chronics to Anthems to Afterbangs to slow, sticky, UK indoor rails, and they've held up amazingly.

I managed to blow out a Salomon edge after one heavy session
Apr 25 2011 11:00AM
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chicken
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elan has made skis with like every attempt at a better edge underfoot.
Apr 25 2011 12:51PM
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RudyGarmisch
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Any manufacturer can claim they use "Double Thick Edges" compared to the standard edge, its all in what you decide is a 'standard edge'. How many companies actually publish specs on the edge, and of those, how many specify if what they're measuring is the actual edge bar or if they're including the teeth?
Apr 25 2011 1:46PM
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BenWhit
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i'm pretty sure edge armor is different, because it had these wires across the base of the ski basically pulling the edges towards one another. in theory, it was supposed to prevent edges from pulling out when cracked. however, it only made things worse.
Apr 25 2011 2:16PM
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Dr.D-Sag
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yeah that would be nice, not having to lose edges every season
Apr 25 2011 2:39PM
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Lemuel
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False. No one uses a 5 mm edge, that would be absurd. Line uses a 2.5 mm which is not traditional. Most traditional edges are around 1.5-1.7
Apr 25 2011 4:53PM
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LAME.
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ya, Line skis are the far most durable skis ever, but I still wouln't mind seeing that railkiller edge.
Apr 25 2011 11:01PM
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bananas
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ive never honestly needed that after all my rail slides.
Apr 26 2011 1:51AM
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deactivate
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They should mak diamond edges that shit would never crack
Apr 26 2011 4:31PM
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monkatizer
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Apr 26 2011 4:57PM
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RudyGarmisch
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You'd have seams where the normal edges and 'railkiller' edges met, it would be like inserting edge cracks in a brand new ski. You could just use the thick edge all around and modify your core profile to offset the stiffer flex and weight... like we do.
Apr 26 2011 5:01PM
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adamlukowski
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yeah this is exactly what im thinking. They could say any size is a standard. and that theres is 2x wider than that, thats why i'm waiting to decide if ninthwards actually have some nice, wide edges, because my 2.5mm edges blew out aftera year on my dynastars
Apr 26 2011 10:41PM
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84891jnf92048
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edges are slow. they do not slide well on snow, or as smoothly on rails.

yes, they would hold up to abuse better than your girlfriend does when she dresses up in that latex body suit and wears that gag in her mouth, but you would notice a difference in speed on your ultra fat edged skis compared to anything standard.
Apr 26 2011 10:52PM
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shibby
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Threads.
Apr 26 2011 11:08PM
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skithesprings
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what i think is important to point out here is that no matter the thickness of the edge, as long as it is reasonable, once a microfracture starts in the edge it will crack through the edge whether its 1.5mm, 2.5mm, or 5mm, it will crack through. the only thing super thick edges are going to help with is wear through the edge, say if you're sliding concrete ledges on the reg. that being said, i put 60 days on my ace of spades this year, smashed the fuck out of them on the rails, they have pretty standard thin edges and all i have to show for the abuse is a bunch of edge cracks, maybe 6-8 or more for each edge, but nothing has pulled out. i've had edge cracks since my first day, nothing has pulled out. do they really matter? i think its a lot more important that the ski is structurally sound in this case, i mean, i've seen 4fronts tear out a foot of edge on their first run.


Apr 26 2011 11:28PM
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