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Best ice/stiff/carving twin tip

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Skithedeep
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I am looking for a stiff ski that can handle ice and firm snow like a GS ski but is also twin tip. I currently ski on the Volkl Bridge any day that hasnt seen snow for a few days, and they just arent stiff enough or have enough sidecut to rail turns to my liking. I'm a big dude, 6'2 240, and most if not all small waist park skis are just too damn soft for me to feel safe goin fast on firm snow. I have looked into the Stokli Rotor 72 cuz they are supposed to be stiff and like a GS ski, and i have also looked at Lib Tech's because they are made close to home and the magne-traction seems cool.

any other suggestions or experience with some of these skis?
Apr 19 2011 1:51PM
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.RYAN66
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armada triumph. "it is a gs ski with a tip at the end" - armada rep.
Apr 19 2011 2:07PM
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hippystinx
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pipe cleaner
Apr 19 2011 2:11PM
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Skithedeep
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Thanks, that looks like exactly what i am looking for +k
Apr 19 2011 2:34PM
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LC.
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Dynastar Spin (if they've changed their names again, it's the 87mm waist one). These come in a 185, no rocker and the tip and tail are pretty low so for sure one of the longest effective edges out there for a park ski (besides the original Kung Fujas but those are super soft). Mid-firm flex. I'm 6'4/185lbs and I liked mine, they ripped hardpack the first few days I skied them before rounding the edges.
Apr 19 2011 3:23PM
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cobra_commander
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And his qualification for saying that is based on what?

The dynastar superpipe/trouble maker has been the best carving twin tip for years, I have yet to see anything replace it.
Apr 19 2011 3:29PM
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Skithedeep
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his qualification is copying and pasting from the company website....
Apr 19 2011 3:33PM
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zahava
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s4's, they carve really well and are stiff as hell. PM me or no_dub if you have any questions.
Apr 19 2011 3:47PM
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cobra_commander
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ah, fuck and I thought he was pulling it out of his ass. Might as well reference the Smithsonian.
Apr 19 2011 3:52PM
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Jaymon
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not even fucking close to gs ski stiff, i used to ski 191 race gs skis and i cant take my s4s out of the park cause they are so damn noodly.

the armada triumph is gonna be pimp, i got to flex them and they like a rossi gs ski stiff not like atomic or something. the Faction Wednesday in 183 is my current park ski and they are about as stiff as a womans fis gs ski.
Apr 19 2011 5:30PM
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Newschool_Pope
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i liked my ar6s on piste but i expect the pipe cleaners to be even better with the faster base, stiffer flex and sharp edges.
Apr 19 2011 5:36PM
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RubberSoul
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threads
Apr 19 2011 5:37PM
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Big_Tuna
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dynastar distorters they are exactly what your looking for well at least i think so
i had a pair but they where to stiff for me so they got retired in my garage haha
Apr 19 2011 9:49PM
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JustDidIt
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I second this.
Apr 19 2011 10:01PM
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JDon
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Amplid C7. I'm pretty sure they have metal in them and have a turning radius around the 15m mark.
Apr 20 2011 3:14PM
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joshua
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Aren't Walls pretty good for carving?
Apr 20 2011 3:21PM
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TijmenDal
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Nordica Ace of Spades or Coreupt Colby James/TJ pro models
Apr 20 2011 5:54PM
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No_Dub
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lol do you weigh 300lbs or something? most people cant stand the s4 because it is too stiff.
Apr 20 2011 9:33PM
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gnartogue
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prophet 90 maybe?
Apr 20 2011 9:36PM
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no_steeze
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if you sharpen the edges on moment tahoes they carve like a motherfucker

same with volkl mantras, although they're not a full twin
Apr 20 2011 9:37PM
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Blurst
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Ya I saw a pair of triumphs earlier this year. Awesome looking ski but be warned it is not a true twin tail. As in it is not as turned up as most twins.
Apr 20 2011 9:57PM
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sports*creel
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I would second the Armada Triumph. The Triumph utilizes a tip to tail sheet of metal to bolster a full wood core. It is snappy and stiff in addition to being incredibly light and still maintains durability.

I am also 6'4" and weigh about 250 and found the 185cm with it's 17m turn radius to hold an incredible edge at speed on hardpack and ice. It uses the same speed-based material on the base as the Pipe Cleaner (thanks Atomic) so it is sneaky fast.

Apr 21 2011 12:21PM
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no_steeze
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i'm tempted to try some triumphs now. i love nothing more than railing huge turns on a ski that can hold on ice but that is more fun and less limiting than my gs skis

i've used moment tahoes for a while but they struggle on ice sometimes, especially since the pair i have has pretty beat up edges
Apr 21 2011 1:16PM
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MacMahoooon
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My go to ski on hardpack and ice are my 2year old Atomic Coax. It is essentially a large twinned GS ski as far as performance goes. I used them in a 24hr race and had racers bugging me telling me I had the wrong ski. My response was simply to hand it to them and let them flex it.

Now at 105 underfoot it may be a little wider than you are looking for but this thing absolutely rails.

Other similar are the Prophet 90s like someone mentioned above.
Apr 21 2011 1:26PM
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RubberSoul
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i dont know shit about ski construction etc but i always thought the prophets were fat, soft powder skis?
Apr 21 2011 1:48PM
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Skithedeep
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They make the prophet in many different widths. the prophet 90 for example, is 90mm underfoot, and the 130 is 130mm
Apr 21 2011 2:06PM
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RubberSoul
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right but i figured even the 90mm prophet would still be soft /powder ski like
Apr 21 2011 2:07PM
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sports*creel
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I also, love love love the Coax. I would, personally, choose the Prophet 100 over the 90 simply to get the metal in the construction. But again, I weigh 250 pounds, so I like a ski with a little more beef.

Apr 21 2011 2:14PM
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Skithedeep
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o yeah, that i dont know, i just dont usually think powder with a 90 underfoot
Apr 21 2011 2:22PM
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zahava
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Mantras or senitals would both be good cept their not twins just f
Apr 21 2011 2:25PM
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no_steeze
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no prophet 90's kill it on groomers. i used them for a season and they were sick
Apr 21 2011 3:19PM
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Lemuel
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90's have metal in them, the flites do not.

And to the kid who can't ski his s4's out of the park, that's really surprising. S4's are by no means soft, sure they aren't the stiffest ski out there but they have no issue skiing everything. I suggest taking ski lessons? Pretty surprising since you come from a racing background.
Apr 21 2011 4:34PM
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Scrambles
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salomon pro pipes are awesome for railing down groomers, reminds me of a slightly less responsive gs i
Apr 21 2011 5:03PM
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Scrambles
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^^damn mobile ns, i meant to say i used to be a gs racer and i liked them alot outside of jibs
Apr 21 2011 5:04PM
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blah..
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I might just be love struck. But I absolutely love my armada ar7's. I come from a mountain that's always covered in ice->Connecticut. And ive never felt they were washed out or noodly. I could carve anything. Seeing as though the ar7's are great, I'd imagine the triumph's are perfect for your needs.
Apr 21 2011 8:10PM
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special-J
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LIB TECH's. It's what they are designed for. Magne-Traction=like 6 contact points. ice doesn't exist.
Apr 21 2011 11:52PM
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S.C
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they dont make them anymore, but k2 extremes?
Apr 21 2011 11:54PM
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-Tristan-
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Why do you need a twin tip? If you really want a ski that rails, buy one thats made for just that.
Apr 22 2011 12:08AM
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Scrambles
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Forgot about these, my old Pow N.A.S.'s would carve everything, even with 118 underfoot
Apr 22 2011 12:44AM
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Rosbif
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This is what I was thinking, unless this Armada triumph is some sort of super ski, there is no twin tip on the market that carves anything close as well to a proper race/groomer ski.
Apr 22 2011 2:32AM
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sports*creel
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it is some sort of proper super ski.
Apr 22 2011 10:27AM
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