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Question for all you film students

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Iget
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So I am planning on buying a camera that will last me until college (2014) and I have come to a dilemma. I have narrowed down my choices to two cameras, the Sony HDR-FX7 and the Panasonic AV-HMC150. These are both solid cameras from what Ive heard, and both have their ups and downs. But the question is, where is the film industry going? Is it going towards SD card memory? Or is it staying with tape recording.


Thoughts?
Apr 10 2011 4:59PM
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deleted2
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HMC150, it has full 1080p, and yes the industry is going towards solid state of any kind.
Apr 10 2011 5:13PM
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KellyK
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the fx7 is a solid camera. capturing from tapes sucks however.. also you're stuck with 60i, which isn't horrible, but it's nice to have the options the hmc offers. if you got the money, definitely bank for the hmc.
Apr 10 2011 5:31PM
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Iget
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Thanks for the help guys, but would your opinion change at all if I told you that I am currently interested in filming skateboarding? k+ to both of you.
Apr 10 2011 5:35PM
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eheath
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definitely the hmc150 the fx7 is way outdated
Apr 10 2011 5:40PM
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deleted2
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No my opinion wouldn't change, or maybe look into an hpx170/HVX200a just because the p2 codec is considered more professional, and it also has 4:2:2 color sampling, but youll most likely spend more money in a p2 camera, because p2 is sooo much more expensive than sdhc cards
Apr 10 2011 5:45PM
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eheath
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hvxs go one dvxuser for the same price as hmc150s
Apr 10 2011 5:59PM
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WillStart
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true, but actually i would say both the HPX and HVX are getting kind of outdated. the HVX can't even shoot in full HD, which kinda sucks.

i would recommend either the hmc150 or just stepping up to a camera like the AG-AF100. that camera can shoot 1080p60:30p and records to SDHC cards instead of P2.

however, the af100 is way more than the OP is looking for. my point was that i'm just not sure if i'd drop the cash for an HPX or HVX at this point in time.
Apr 10 2011 6:01PM
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deleted2
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Not with p2, and the og hvx does not the hvx200a, and the og one blows cock in low light ha
Apr 10 2011 6:01PM
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deleted2
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Also i think it's important to know his budget, because there are the xf300, but its like 7 grand haha, but yeah even if the af100 wasn't way more than the op is looking for he might not wan't it if he's filming action sports because of the cmos sensors instead of the hmc150/hvx200/hpx170's 3ccd sensor.
Apr 10 2011 6:06PM
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WillStart
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nah it's a great cam, trust me.

i've seen some of PBP's footage from this season that was shot on the AF100, and it looks sooooooooo good.
Apr 10 2011 6:07PM
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deleted2
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then i take it panasonic did a good job battling against rolling shutter, and flash banding, ha,
Apr 10 2011 6:08PM
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eheath
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They're both p2?


And will, how is the hvx not "full" HD? it shoots 1080p24pa and 1080p30


Ive seen hvx200p and 200as both go for similar prices as hmc150s
Apr 10 2011 6:11PM
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deleted2
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OH sorry i didn't mean the og one isn't p2 i meant thats the price without p2 and p2 is up the butthole expensive, and im pretty sure at 1080p the hvx shoots at 1440x1080 and stretches it to 1920x1080, and at 720p, it stretches it from 960x720 to 1280x720 or something like that
Apr 10 2011 6:13PM
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eheath
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I guess i'm just defensive because i own one ha


My hvx "non full hd" shot still look just as good as similar level cameras and better than any other cheap camera that claims "full hd". For the internet, you can upres dvx footy to 720p and it looks similar.
Apr 10 2011 6:16PM
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deleted2
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I'm aware about the dvx, i shoot with one haha, but yes it looks similar because it films at such a high bitrate like 100mb/s or something like that
Apr 10 2011 6:17PM
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eheath
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the wonderful glory of p2, bummer a p2 version of the af1000 will be like 7-8 grand.
Apr 10 2011 6:18PM
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deleted2
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in all honestly i doubt theyll be making one because there wouldn't be a big enough market because all the people that really wanted an af100 will probably already have one, and i think whats happening to cmos vs. ccd right now is going to happen to avchd vs. p2 pretty soon, just because its soo expensive to make p2 and shit like that, thats just my prediction though. but with magic lantern hack on the t2i you get variable bit rates :) haha, hoping to order mine soon
Apr 10 2011 6:22PM
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Iget
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What is this magic lantern hack? I have a t2i but Ive never heard of it.
Apr 10 2011 6:30PM
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WillStart
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i mean, there's probably still some rolling shutter problems, but i don't really know the degree.

i've never been bothered by rolling shutter though, i don't even notice it in action sports because theres so much to look at and everything is shaped oddly (instead of a straight building), so it's harder to notice any distortion.

the only place where i can see rolling shutter being an issue is in very professional applications, and even then most people without technical knowledge of cameras probably won't really notice. so in a way, it might not be bad in action sports anyway since they don't require the most professional cameras.
Apr 10 2011 6:32PM
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WillStart
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apparently it gives you variable bit rates, which is cool. but it's most well known for making it possible to disable the AGC on the T2i's mic and allows you to control audio levels. it also gives you a histogram and zebra patterns, and some other features
Apr 10 2011 6:33PM
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eheath
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Whenever you have an unstable CMOS camera the rolling shutter is VERY apparent. Every time i see a shot of someone hand holding a dslr or gopro, the rolling shutter is terrible.
Apr 10 2011 6:54PM
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WillStart
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like i said, a lot of people who aren't familiar with the concept probably wouldn't even notice.

also, the handheld problem shouldn't even matter much for the AF100. it's pretty stable to hold by the handle, and all the footage i saw was shot with a tripod, so it looked fine
Apr 10 2011 6:57PM
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deleted2
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I honestly think the biggest add on things with it this is just my opinion is the variable bit rate, kelvin white balancing, and zebras of course ha
Apr 10 2011 7:19PM
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horner
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That's because they suck at shooting.
Apr 10 2011 7:31PM
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eheath
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Well yeah, hence the handle held dslr comment haha
Apr 10 2011 8:34PM
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deleted2
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hahahahhaha, like the guy who was follow camming with his nifty fifty... with no stabilization.. ha
Apr 10 2011 8:38PM
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