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Barak Obama... Hypocrite.

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SHoff35
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How can you judge Bush for going to war in Iraq then basically start a war with Libya because they are in the middle of overpowering their dictator???
Mar 28 2011 3:30PM
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ferrinski86
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good response. finally somebody on NS that is smart and knows how to debate a point. You didnt shit storm on my response and I thank you for that.

I strongly agree with you that there are worse off countries/governments/dictators then Saddam was (mainly, like you stated, North Korea and Iran).

You could say Bush pulled a bait-and switch on us on Iraq. We were pissed about 9/11 and we took care of Afghanistan and he used "terror" and "what-if" scenarios to get us involved in Iraq, ill give you that.

Now knowing that we found no WMD's in Iraq and its now 10ish years later, a political war and bullshit was it worth it? everyone has there own opinion.

With regards to the the other countries you mentioned in South America and Africa harboring terrorists and such, i agree with you. I was going to bring up Darfur last night but it was late.

I agree that theses countries have no (or not enough) economic or special interests to the US in regards to justify a war.

Al Gore would probably not have gone to war with Iraq, or even to Afghanistan for that matter. Most people know Gore as the "global warming" advocate and have no idea on what he would actually do if he were president.

America has gone to war on several occasions for the wrong reason in one way or another, bad communication, bad intel...

So whats the real reason we invaded Iraq? what special interest do they have that would justify us invading their country? the most logical reason that comes to anybodies mind is OIL, lots and lots of OIL.

its still early in History to debate this war. it is still fun to have a reasonable debate about it but only history will write down the facts and what really happened. when we are 50 or 60 years old it will be very interesting to see what History writes about this.

May 7 2011 11:31AM
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ferrinski86
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Thanks for debating me kid.

instead you made a complete guess on my political views and how i get my information. I know more about politics and current event than my parents do.

ive done plenty of reading (on both sides of the arguments)

good job in contributing an actual response, or maybe you dont know enough to debate.
May 7 2011 11:34AM
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TheClap.
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win
May 7 2011 11:40AM
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shocker611
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yeah man, because getting an undergrad degree from yale and a masters from harvard makes you retarded
May 7 2011 12:10PM
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Flying~Squirrel
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seriously, you are all a bunch of stubborn assholes who arent going to make a difference in the world.
May 7 2011 12:33PM
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shocker611
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yeah and the meme posting kids gonna cure cancer
May 7 2011 12:34PM
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BIGben*
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Trololololol!
May 7 2011 12:35PM
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Flying~Squirrel
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im just saying, most people are not that informed about how and why we are fighting in the various conflicts (myself included), and so a bunch of people on a skiing forum who apparently are really really into this kind of thing and know every detail about ever political and economic issue seems a little bit unlikely.
May 7 2011 12:47PM
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MitchPee
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This point is so much better than your first, well done!

One thing to consider is in the size of a bureaucracy like the US, there are always going to be conflicting views. If you read any testimony by Richard Clarke or George Tenet they will tell you that they knew pretty much on the dot what Saddam had. Hell, we funded the improvements to get his scud missiles off the ground and other generous donations of weapons in the Iran/Iraq war. The problem is Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, and just a little bit of Bush had a preemptive plan for Iraq. Even before 9/11 Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld were trying to link Saddam to state sponsored terrorism of the first WTC bombing. There's a lot of history that I am sure you have read between Bush Sr and Saddam as well.

The point of the matter is we have always wanted as many friendly territories as we can get in the Middle East. Our long-standing tension with Iran/Russia is a huge factor in why we play the region like a chessboard. Bush, Wolfowitz, and Rumsfeld saw an opportunity to manipulate public opinion and gain some footing in the Middle East. Therefore by portraying Saddam as a horrible person (which he kind of was) it would have been easy, or so we thought, to have another ally in the Middle East. People in the international community caught on quickly and that's why you had such a big uproar with France and other countries speaking out.




May 7 2011 12:49PM
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dingusboy
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First off i want to put an end to the obama sucks campaign because the only reason why any of this ever comes up is because we feel the need to distinguish are views by joining a political party. and the fact of the matter is we haven't changed since are country began, it began with federals and non- federals and we have just adapted to democrat republican. and are first president gw clearly stated in his final address that political parties would be are end. i don't know much but what i do know is people hear people like glenn beck saying obama wasn't born in the us and they start believing that instead of forming there own opinion.
May 7 2011 1:03PM
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highindasky55
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This thread makes me sad = (

Along with all the others posted recently, I'm having all I can do not to bash my head repeatedly against a wall. WAKETHEFUCKUP honestly, all our current institutions are failing. Several of them (Federal Reserve, Iraq) were failures by their very designs... the power elite have a dwindling grasp on the people because so many are starting to question just what it is we're doing to each other, and why. We're approaching a transition in human interaction, just like we have hundreds of times over thousands of years, and the people in power NOW don't like it. I don't mean the president, or the senate... they're placeholders and have been for some time. I'm talking about the shadow government that is actually responsible for all the senselessness in the way things are today, the banking cartels who have shammed the American people out of ohhh I dunno like $14 trillion?? The national debt is owed to the people, we've footed the bill as our "benevolent" government has engaged in conflict after conflict without ever stopping to question WHY.
Osama was not killed last week, what a fucking joke... he could have been dead at any point in the last 10 years or he could still be alive who knows. This was a false flag event that was designed years ago, a political trump card that the man could use at any point to distract the public... is it working? Are we distracted? Is every single fucking news station, every single internet forum, thousands of new memes and youtube videos... all arguing about Osama and the US... is that distracting you from anything?
This month, most likely 5/11, will see a catastrophe designed to grab hold of as much power as possible by convincing the people to give up more of their basic rights than we already have (the war on terror? how many liberties have we tossed to the wind because of the boogeyman terrorists? we've killed more people in the name of preventing "terrorism" than the terrorists ever killed in the first place... ^^immortal technique was right, FYI). It's getting a little wet down south right now, and my suggestion is that it's about to get a hell of a lot wetter... things might get a little "shaky" if you know what I mean. I would HIGHLY recommend a vacation for our southern NSers and their families within the next few days (before weds, IMO)... pack a few bags and hit the road. I hope like hell I'm not right... but IF I am, you WILL thank me for taking this advice.
Call me crazy, call me whatever you'd like (terrorist, fear-mongerer, brainwashed (HA) etc... heard them all), just know that there is a plethora of evidence mounting to suggest that TPTB are making their move... and I hope like hell that I'm wrong trust me, but IF I'm not then you want nothing to do with the southern area of the US near the Mississippi on 5/11.


May 7 2011 1:10PM
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highindasky55
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inb4 that last post potentially vanishing, got the text saved in case anyone would like a read after
May 7 2011 1:11PM
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Piste.Off
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because if they don't the world would be an even bigger shit show then it all ready is.
May 7 2011 1:30PM
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vailsux.com
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May 7 2011 2:14PM
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shocker611
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hahaha youre such a joke
May 7 2011 2:16PM
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highindasky55
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I've done 2 years of independent research on hundreds of theories (most of which your small, closed mind would just push aside), while getting a biochemistry degree... while learning the ins and outs of the financial markets, my own government, and world conflict for the last couple thousand years. Kindly fuck yourself, and come back in a few weeks when shit isn't so funny.
May 7 2011 2:42PM
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shocker611
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you think osama is still alive and free, youve got to be a fuckin idiot, what would happen if a month down the road osama comes out with a video where he gives the middle finger to america, yeah we wouldnt let that happen
May 7 2011 4:39PM
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shocker611
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I also cant wait until may 20th when nothing has happened and your dumbass comes back in here trying to tell us to wait for something big to happen
May 7 2011 4:41PM
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Emma_Watson
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L2 spell your president's name. And we're not going to war with libya. Stop watching Fox.
May 7 2011 6:52PM
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Emma_Watson
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Sorry about that.
http://articles.cnn.com/2011-03-20/opinion/bergen.libya.us_1_arab-league-obama-administration-libyan-intervention?_s=PM:OPINION
We may be going to war with Libya, according to CNN. But look at what Obama has done to this country in a hard time. Most people are looking at what Obama screwed up, and every president has flaws. The media is portraying Obama as a bad guy, even though he has supported us through a difficult time.

May 7 2011 6:56PM
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Trollolo
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Even though he has supported us? That is a very scary statement right there. These Obama kool-aid drinkers scare me.

Oh thank you oh holy Obama for not turning your back on us in this recession

May 7 2011 7:10PM
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shocker611
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haha oh wait... shitt.. im wrong, obama isnt perfect, but.. but.. but.. hes a good guy!
May 7 2011 7:13PM
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