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Operation Odyssey Dawn: Military Action Against Libya

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Caspian
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Copied from AlJazeera (Linked from Slashdot)

"French warplanes have hit four tanks used by forces loyal to Muammar Gaddafi on the outskirts of the opposition stronghold of Benghazi, on a day when opposition fighters in the city reported coming under constant artillery and mortar fire.

The US has also launched cruise missiles from ships based in the Mediterrannean Sea, and has taken the lead in military operations during the first phase, Kimberly Halkett, Al Jazeera''s correspondent in Washington DC reported.

The action marks the first international military moves against the Libyan leader, and it comes a day after the UN Security Council authorised a no-fly zone over the North African country."


Thoughts?

Mar 19 2011 11:52PM
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geteducated
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i don't know why you'd want a navy anyways.

there are two types of ships in the navy. targets and submarines.
Mar 25 2011 6:15PM
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Proletariat.
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you must find me this african nation, im interested now
Mar 25 2011 6:15PM
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squibble
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he probably doesnt Actually mean that, at least i hope not
Mar 25 2011 6:18PM
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skier_boy26
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Mar 25 2011 6:26PM
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PacificRimJob
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Part of me believes it was Angola?
Mar 25 2011 7:15PM
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nkmo.
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Nothing on their Wiki page. Although most everything is pre-1980.
Mar 25 2011 7:34PM
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Proletariat.
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My personal favorite

Mar 25 2011 7:45PM
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cobra_commander
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The United States Navy currently has an over 200 year old commissioned war ship.
Mar 25 2011 7:53PM
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PacificRimJob
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The HMS Victory is the oldest currently commissioned ship on the planet.



And, yeah it's not on wiki, but I'm almost certain theres some african country that has a super old WW1 era soviet warship of some nature, that was upgraded or something to not run like the Titanic...
Mar 25 2011 7:56PM
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PacificRimJob
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Here's one for the UK...

Mar 25 2011 8:00PM
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geteducated
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it ain't like the mexican navy is playing a reenactment of the caine mutiny, they do have those two modern missile boats bought from israel...
Mar 25 2011 8:01PM
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Proletariat.
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This bad boy is still chugging in the Phillipines Navy

Mar 25 2011 8:55PM
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PacificRimJob
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Haha. 3 different navies...
Mar 25 2011 9:04PM
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TheStamos
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The philipine navy is probably just for show, if they need to actually have power then call the US.
Mar 25 2011 9:19PM
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fujarome
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hahaha fantastic.

technically speaking, the USS Constitution is still a commissioned US Navy ship. Going to be hard to beat 1797.
Mar 25 2011 9:22PM
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PacificRimJob
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Victory

Done.
Mar 25 2011 9:23PM
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fujarome
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pssssh, that shitty old thing doesn't even float anymore? Constitution not only floats but they bring it out to sail on it's own once a year. Obama should have had it set anchor off the coast of libya to calm things down.
Mar 25 2011 9:26PM
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TheStamos
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haha ^ if that were the case it still would be on its way , maybe 1/4 the way there. It takes that thing allot longer to get there than a destroyer or carrier than hauls ass.
Mar 25 2011 9:33PM
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fujarome
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it probably wouldn't even be past the tip of cape cod yet.

But shit, imagine being a dictator and waking up one morning and seeing a frigate from the war of 1812 with 44 guns sitting out in the harbor?
Mar 25 2011 9:35PM
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TheStamos
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It would be better if they saw a tomohawk come out of the deck .after they had been sitting there laughing at it.

Mar 25 2011 9:46PM
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PacificRimJob
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bahahaha.

Ultimate trojan horse...
Mar 25 2011 10:19PM
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Proletariat.
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hahhahaha they would probably think

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than realize they are fucked
Mar 26 2011 2:03AM
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skiierman
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yes because the UN is going to become the evil empire....
Mar 26 2011 2:11AM
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Proletariat.
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Well they are the predecessor for

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Soon the worlds reserve currency will look like this

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Mar 26 2011 2:16AM
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skiierman
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god, i cannot wait for james earl jones to be president.
Mar 26 2011 2:36AM
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BC.
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The amount of ignorance in this thread about whats really going on in the military is amazing.
Mar 26 2011 2:37PM
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skiierman
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oh god, not one of you... please die.
Mar 26 2011 2:40PM
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PacificRimJob
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Oh? you really know what's going on? Really? Care to share?


Nobody really knows whats going on so can it.
Mar 26 2011 7:47PM
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zagfan5
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straight up
Apr 19 2011 11:24PM
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Proletariat.
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Lets send the Ruskies


Apr 19 2011 11:57PM
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PJS.
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i love youtube videos in internet arguments
Apr 19 2011 11:58PM
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shibby
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ING4 woozy takes law school too seriously...ohwaitohwaitohwaitohwaitohwaitohwaitohwaitohwaitohwaitohwait...
Apr 20 2011 12:13AM
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shibby
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*INB4
Apr 20 2011 12:15AM
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cobra_commander
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Please, let woozy share his important and relevant opinion about things we are supposed to find shocking and revealing but actually knew about all along.
Apr 20 2011 10:41AM
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cobra_commander
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people have said every war since the Civil War would be over by Christmas. If you didn't see this lasting more then a few weeks you are a moron.
Apr 20 2011 10:48AM
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cobra_commander
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Oh, so you are just coming to say "I told you so," because no one likes that guy. We are all pretty well aware that the conflict in Libya is still going on. I really don't see a lot of people giving a shit about what you have to say right now. You remind me of that kid in Highschool who kept trying to force his opinions on everyone, despite the fact that everyone had written him off after hearing his spiel 10,000 times.
Apr 20 2011 11:07AM
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cobra_commander
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Might as well drop this in here:
http://www.businessinsider.com/tim-hetherington-oscar-libya-restrepo-2011-4#ixzz1K5CIZG5v
Apr 20 2011 1:27PM
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fujarome
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and yet still nobody but you cares....


and for what it's worth, congress is voting next week on whether to end military action or not. Because june 1st is actually the first date congressional debates etc can take place.

Supposedly they are going to request an outline of U.S objectives in libya and take it from there. And in all likelihood, the list of objectives will simply be "remove gaddhaffi from power" and that'll be good enough.


I think what really ought to be addressed is the discrepancies between UN resolutions and US resolutions. Being a part of the UN leads to commitments, which sometimes goes against US policies. And personally i think UN commitments are more important.
May 31 2011 2:37PM
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fujarome
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but there aren't boots on the ground, and nor will there be. And if the possibility of that occurring even begins to come up, it will get shot down.


And i think it's more important because the current year is 2011, and not 1800. The Constitution is a good, important, but flawed document due to time passing. The founding fathers had good intentions(debatable) but simply couldn't have known that things such as the UN would exist, so they of course don't address it. That doesn't mean it's wrong or that we should have no part in the UN...it just means that they couldn't have predicted it, and so it wasn't mentioned. The constitution was written when the US had under 4million people, and barely a standing army/navy to speak of.

Therefore, it obviously doesn't address the question of "hey, what if one day this country is one of the biggest, most powerful nations on earth and huge alliances between world powers form?"


I also find it interesting that you skip over the middle section of my response, in which i respond regarding the politics, and instead choose to point out how you made a fool of someone else, and then call me pathetic.

You know what's pathetic? Trying to gain a sense of superiority over others via an online forum by displaying a decent knowledge of US politics while also attempting to put down others.

You know why everything you say/write isn't worth shit? Because your opinions and thoughts count for nothing, especially on NS, just like mine and everyone else's. If this whole thing gets you going so much, dont bitch about it on NS and try to make a fool of someone who posted 2 months ago. Write to congressmen, petition for change.


May 31 2011 2:56PM
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PJS.
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you must know you're not changing anyones mind. why bother replying to everyone?
Aug 24 2011 6:01PM
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PJS.
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there is significant mental and emotional harm possible responding to every idiot on the internet who wants to have a go.
Aug 24 2011 6:12PM
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Brantford.W
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Your a fool if you think SF isn't on the ground. Just because its not being reported doesn't mean they aren't there. They are called Quiet Professionals for a reason.
Aug 24 2011 9:02PM
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PacificRimJob
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Thug lyfe.
Aug 26 2011 12:05AM
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cobra_commander
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Credible news source right there. FWIW if there will be Marines in Libia, their ROE will probably keep them in their bases.
Sep 15 2011 11:26AM
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Davy.Crockett
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this.
Sep 15 2011 12:51PM
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fujarome
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I hope woozy realizes i don't give a shit, and was more or less just acting as a foil to his own arguments back then, so you can stop quoting me specifically every time you bump this.


congratulations. You managed to outlast/hold a grudge on an internet forum. You win.
Sep 15 2011 2:07PM
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fujarome
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fair enough.


I mean acting as a foil because I personally did not hold any belief in either direction, and still don't. This is the way I handle any sort of politically related discussion. I simply do not devote myself entirely to one side. I'll willingly admit that the argument I put forth in this thread was indeed wrong. Well done to you for recognizing the right side. The reason I don't commit to a side is because....well, let's put it this way. There were 2 sides to this argument, 1 of which was right. What difference has it made to anything at all? Just created good conversation/discussion I suppose. Otherwise it just creates hostility amongst people.


And regarding the last point, are there not always a few soldiers at all embassies? I might be wrong but that's the impression I was under.
Sep 15 2011 3:05PM
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