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Competition scoring at X Games Europe. What separates the Best from the Rest.

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DrewLederer
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I think JF Houle showed us today that in a competition field where everyone can do all kinds of double corks. It is your rail skills that will separate you from the rest of the field and put you on the top of that Podium. Discuss.
Mar 17 2011 2:03PM
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Bar_Down
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i agree. JF and b-dog's runs prove that. b-dog didnt do a single dub, yet he still finished higher than competitors who did throw dubs, by the sounds of it all because of the rail section. as we see during the early season big airs, its really hard to get a clear ruling on who is better because most of the tricks are very similar to each other, thats why you gotta step it up in the rail section and seperate yourself from the rest
Mar 17 2011 2:07PM
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Matty_C
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to an extent.
the main reason why JF, Bdog and Woodsy (all great rail skiers) were able to do so well in this comp was because of the weather and speed associated speed issues. Almost half the field were unable to put down clean runs, the jumps weren't very big and almost everyone had trouble getting the right speed.

Hence the importance of rails in this comp. It was certainly great to see those guys take advantage of the opportunity to podium, but I'd be surprised if it becomes the norm.
Mar 17 2011 2:47PM
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hawaiiansteeze
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yea i feel like the course is what made the scoring how it was, the 3rd jump was still closed for finals correct? if there were 2 75+ foot jumps where kids could toss both way dubs clean then i feel like houle would not have won, even with the rail game staying the same
Mar 17 2011 2:54PM
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hunter1
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If you Haven't seen the event I subject you not comment yet. All the feature where open for the finals and Alex Schlopy landed a dub 16! I agree, the playing field is to level for jumping. Everyone can land dub 10s, 12s and switch dub 9s and 10s with perfect style. (and now both ways!) It doesn't make sense to compare 5 perfect dub 10s and try to decide who did better.  The rails should decide who wins.
Mar 17 2011 3:05PM
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hawaiiansteeze
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stand corrected, been taking midterms all morning. gona try to check out the runs now.
Mar 17 2011 3:09PM
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spere
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Speed was such an issue, the run itself has a couple flat spots that made it tough.

Why, since speed was an issue, did Casabon throw a lazy-boy cork 1 on the first jump? He decked every time, makes no sense to do a trick that slows you down when people are already having trouble clearing the jump.
Mar 17 2011 3:15PM
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Bar_Down
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because hes a fuckin champ thats why
Mar 17 2011 3:20PM
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Downtofilm
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Mar 17 2011 3:26PM
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skiingute
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It's good to see the rail section actually matter for a change. When I was at Snowbasin watching the Dew Tour the judges didnt seem to care about the rails at all.
Mar 17 2011 3:29PM
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spere
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I'd rather have speed for the rest of the course, but I guess if he is content with always finishing in the middle of the pack...
Mar 17 2011 3:30PM
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californiagrown
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STORY OF HIS LIFE...6TH PLACE FO LIFE!
Mar 17 2011 3:38PM
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ThaLetterM.
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he clearly gives little to no fucks
Mar 17 2011 4:13PM
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DrewLederer
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That's just B's style. In his Orage ads last year I believe his slogan was "Progression over Podiums" He'd rather represent his own take on skiing than try and follow the formula, and do what is necessary to win right now.
Mar 17 2011 4:14PM
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LC.
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Hatveit would have taken for sure it if he'd got a pretzel out of his second rail, looked like he wanted something more on that one.
Mar 17 2011 4:16PM
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spere
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Yea I know thats what he's always been about, just seemed to me like killing all your speed was taking it a bit far.

Oh well, more power to him for doing his own thing and bringing new stuff to the sport
Mar 17 2011 4:34PM
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CKpolicy
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lol dub 16. its cool to progress and all but to make the furthest point of that type of progression the gold standard of comp tricks seems kinda ridiculous.
Mar 17 2011 5:01PM
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cmo
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in my opinion every competition needs to be judged as the cold rush event is...by the riders...its the only fair way in which every rider will be fairly critiqued based on what the industry standards are at the time
Mar 17 2011 5:23PM
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jeR.
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i think there should be a mix of smaller and bigger jumps in comp runs so riders couldnt throw dub 10 and 12 every hit. if a course has 3 jumps, maybe the first two are smaller so we see shit like bdogs 180, and creativity comes into play with riders doing butters and steezier stuff. then obviously a big jump at the end where riders can throw dub 16s and dub flat 10s
Mar 17 2011 5:39PM
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Wesley.P
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where can i watch the runs?
Mar 17 2011 5:56PM
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DrewLederer
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You can watch the full ESPN event Broadcast on http://espn.go.com/espn3/index under the replay section. 
Mar 17 2011 6:56PM
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Downtofilm
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it tells me I need to select an ISP?
Mar 17 2011 7:14PM
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paulmay
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it would be sick
Mar 17 2011 7:17PM
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.Roockley.
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there was a chance for riders to talk to the judges about any queries with the judging earlier on according to AFP world tour twitter

AFPWorldTour AFP
To Athletes: Euro X Judges will be in the athlete lounge at the Diva Hotel starting at 7:30 to answer any judging questions. See you there

i hope someone filmed it
Mar 17 2011 7:18PM
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Tonetti.
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this and i was happy with phils 5th place.. yes i know conditions were bad blah blah blah but 5th place at arguable the biggest competition just on the basis of style is not bad at all! finally style getting some recognition. and his cork 1s are the illest shit in the game right now... i wish he did one on every jump.
Mar 17 2011 7:53PM
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KillaSeason
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vid of b's run???
Mar 17 2011 8:01PM
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DrewLederer
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B is a perfect example that the X Games judges know how to value and reward creativity and originality as well as banger tricks. I wouldn't say he's finally getting some recognition though, after all he got 5th at Winter X 13, 4th at Winter X 14 and 7th this year.
Mar 17 2011 8:22PM
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californiagrown
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? there is not even an argument. Stops on the dew tour have a better field than the euro x games.
Mar 17 2011 9:15PM
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Tonetti.
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yes but dew tour has no where near the recognition that xgames has... ask anyone of the street what xgames is and they know... im not so sure that would be the same with dew tour. Im not talking about skiing talent... im talking about exposure.
Mar 17 2011 10:01PM
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Tonetti.
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b placed in each of these competitions by spinning a 14 though.. where as in euro x his biggest spin was a 9 and he 180ed one of the jumps... you could make the argument that it was weather i guess but schlopy was throwing dub 16s so the jumps were definably spinnable
Mar 17 2011 10:03PM
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californiagrown
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ask anyone on the street about euro X and they will look at you like wtf.

no one outside of the core alternative snow sport scene has any clue that it exists.

meanwhile, all of europe and the US know about the real xgames. the dew tour is actually put on network tv here in the states, idk about overseas though.

but just based on the amount of hype and chatter about euro x vs all the other major comps, you should be able to see how small its exposure actually is.
Mar 17 2011 10:17PM
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Tonetti.
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euro x was broadcast on espn! i dont not live in europe so i would have no idea but i would be willing to bet that euro x in europe is somewhere equivalent to us x game in the us and it still has the brand name of x games
Mar 17 2011 10:26PM
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Matty_C
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there is a world outside Amurkah you moron
Mar 17 2011 10:30PM
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californiagrown
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wait...europe isnt in canada?
Mar 17 2011 10:33PM
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Matty_C
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brilliant.

back to your original point: you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
Mar 17 2011 10:38PM
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pfnotsch
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Mar 18 2011 9:26AM
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cmo
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did anyone watch the snowboard slopestyle? 99.33 was the winning score....are you kidding me hahahahah what a joke....and mark mcmorris threw a sick triple cork but of course espn failed to hire competent announcers who cant tell the difference between a double and a triple cork, and get most trick names wrong for that matter...i honestly fell asleep watching it...not to mention that they had 23 riders in the finals and had 2 runs each...i dont get it, why does snowboarding suck sooooo much and get sooo much more publicity...it didnt really bother me before this, now im mad
Mar 18 2011 3:30PM
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THUGwife
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its only the second year they've done it...
Mar 18 2011 3:35PM
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californiagrown
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THAT DOESNT CHANGE THE FACT THAT VERY FEW PEOPLE OUTSIDE OF THE CORE SNOWSPORTS COMMUNITY EVEN KNOW ABOUT IT.

Mar 18 2011 4:27PM
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hunter1
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I Think a lot of people knew about it. It was on ESPN in the US too.
Mar 19 2011 1:03PM
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huckgear
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That butter 630 on was crazy.
Mar 20 2011 8:26PM
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DrewLederer
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I'm pretty sure you mean 12 B's never don a 14 that i know of.
Mar 22 2011 7:13PM
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