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Milkduds
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Question Uno - What is the difference from a step up and step down jump?

Question Dos - I need help on a 270 on. Learning in my backyard, and i only have a 15 foot rail and a 10 foot box. I try to huck it onto my box, but i usually go 180 or when i land 270 i slip on my back foot. I have the balls to throw one, but I just can't get it.

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Mar 5 2011 8:51PM
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jabroni.
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a step up is when the landing of the jump is above the take off. a step down is the opposite. when tryna 2 on make sure when you unwind your shoulders to spin on. that your axis of rotation is totally parralell with the box and max sure your feet are spread about shoulder width as you come in.
Mar 5 2011 8:55PM
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Dwarftosser1
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Mar 5 2011 8:55PM
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larsenreynolds
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I have the same problems with 270s on
Mar 5 2011 8:56PM
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.squirrely.
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1.  its kind of what it sounds like.  step up has a higher landing than the lip of the jump, step down has a lower landing.

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cant really help you with question 2.  i just learned 2s on and i kind of just huck like im trying a 3.  hope that helps!

Mar 5 2011 8:59PM
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Milkduds
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alright thanks, karma has been dealt!
let this tthread diee now
Mar 5 2011 9:21PM
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kinros14
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Same here
Mar 5 2011 10:45PM
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Matty_K
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I got 2's on about a week ago. Basically I go up to the lip and throw my 180 REAL quick, then I spin the last 90. Don't just huck a 3 cause then your mind thinks you won't slide out(but then you do). After the one focus on putting pressure on your front foot when landing, to balance yourself out. Try these on ride on boxes. But remember... pop THEN spin. Cause if you dont have enough air off the lip you wont get enough time for the rotation.. hope I helped and good luck.
Mar 6 2011 10:11AM
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monkatizer
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i had trouble 270ing on in my yard, but i went to the mountain and got it first try!
Mar 6 2011 12:37PM
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Relish_man
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i always thought a table top was a jump that the landing is level with the lip no?
Mar 6 2011 12:40PM
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ViktorVaughn
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I could see that, but then does that like every regular jump a step down then?
Mar 6 2011 1:09PM
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mmckechnie
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So is there a difference between a a step up and a step over?
Mar 6 2011 1:38PM
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.squirrely.
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yeah whats a step over?
Mar 6 2011 1:45PM
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Flying~Squirrel
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it basically is, but sometimes they build up the lip just a little higher because its easier to shape it properly.
Mar 6 2011 1:46PM
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Mr.Huck
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What that drawing is calling a table top, most refer to as a step over.  The easiest way to think about it is like this:

Knuckle is below the top of the lip = step down
Knuckle is above the top of the lip = step up
knuckle is about the same level as the top of the lip = step over

Tabletop has always meant any type of park style jump that has a flat before you get to the landing hill, so that could be a step down, or step over. 
Mar 6 2011 1:56PM
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Bar_Down
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yes. a true step up jump is a jump where the rider goes off the lip of the jump, and lands on a flat landing way above the lip at the apex of his jump so that its still a smooth landing.

a step over is a jump where the landing is higher than the lip of the jump but you still land on a downward slope.

I drew something quickly in paint, i hope it helps.

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Step over:


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Mar 6 2011 1:59PM
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Mr.Huck
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Sorry for dub post. 

2nd question: Sometimes you get so focused on spinning that you look away from the rail before you pop and that makes it so that you go off the jump at an angle and don't land centered on the rail.  Get some video of yourself and see if you are turning at the top of the lip.  That is a sure sign, that this is happening. I have found that looking at the far end of the rail right before popping helps and also making sure that you are popping off of both feet. 
Mar 6 2011 2:04PM
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purps
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I disagree
Mar 6 2011 2:08PM
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Mr.Huck
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No worries, but these are the terms that park builders and shapers use.  Maybe it's an East Coast vs. West thing, but when I have spoken with pros from the east about it, they had described them the same way.   
Mar 6 2011 2:31PM
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Puzzled
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Seems like you can't slide unnatural very well if you slip, practice both ways!!
Mar 6 2011 2:46PM
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purps
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word, that makes sense. I've always thought of it the way that bar_down mentioned it. I don't think it's an east coast west coast thing since I'm from the east and use slightly different terms than you. It's just that people use different terms I guess
Mar 6 2011 3:01PM
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Bar_Down
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im almost 100% sure what i said is correct, its just that a lot of ppl see a step over and call it a step up
Mar 6 2011 4:11PM
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