Dave matthews Band

'Down with Dave Save the Trees!' nahh I'm just kidding he's got some good stuff. And I heard his live shows are really sweet.
'Pipe Is Nice'

The music is sweet.


'Remember that postcard Grandpa sent us from Florida of that alligator biting that woman's bottom? That's right, we all thought it was hilarious. But it turns out we were wrong. That alligator was sexually harrassing that woman.'

its one of my favorite bands. live at red rocks is the best cd ever. his band is so good, their knowledge of music is amazing, its a really unique sound. i love it


'my choice is what i chose to do...and if im causin no harm it shouldnt bother you...' Ben harper

I hate Dave Matthews band. I think it's terrible shit.

yeah.

-Pat-
fuckers!
SMS session 2

do you? why man?


'my choice is what i chose to do...and if im causin no harm it shouldnt bother you...' Ben harper

Im going to a show wednesday in Madison square garden
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I prefer to be free

his new shit sucks ass though if anyone agrees w/ me
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I prefer to be free

I don't know, I never really liked Dave Mathews, some of his old stuff off Under the Table and Dreaming was okay, but it never really captured me. I don't know why i dont like it, maybe because he so popular or something in his sound, but im not sure why. I music genre is right up my ally kinda of an acoustic, jazzy mix but I just don't like him, even though he is a very good musician.
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Andrew

'Me fail English? That's unpossible.'
-Ralph Wiggum

yeah, i agree is new stuff sucks. i havent heard is newest album though. under the table and dreaming was some of his best stuff. as soon as he hit the mtv seen a lot it just went down hill


'my choice is what i chose to do...and if im causin no harm it shouldnt bother you...' Ben harper

yeah definently...i was listenin to dave like right when under the table and dreaming came out and one of his first concerts....but now his new shit is like pop fast and gay...i only like aobut 4 dave mathews songs, and none are new

newschoolers.tripod.com

DMB is easily one of the most talented groups around right now. His concerts are amazing. All the ones I have gone to are like 90% high school and college kids with about 60% of that being hot girls. THe tail-gaiting is always a great time before and after.


Women plan for the future by naming their unborn children while men plan for the future by buying two cases of beer

God they suck...I dont care if they are tallented, and they really arent that tallented. Plus I dont care how great of a concert they put on, I am not gonna pay 70 bucks to see some guy with a whiney country voice stand still and sing on stage. Plus I dont want to watch through a telescope to see him from my seat on the other end of the football stadium filled with 50,000 abercrombie wearing kids who drove up in the jeep wranglers. Hey i hear there are lots of hot girls at NSync concerts too, so what if they are 12...

Here’s a hint in case you’re slow
Lollapalooza is not a show

They may not be your style of music but they are extremely talented. I have gone to three of his concerts and I have never paid more than $40 and they have always been good seats.

As for the hot girls at an NSYNC concert I wouldn't know and if you like 12 year olds that's your problem.


Women plan for the future by naming their unborn children while men plan for the future by buying two cases of beer

hahaha, I like dave as well. Lillywhites were pretty ill, if you knew any of the story behind the latest cd, you would probably understand why the different sound has come out, but thats alright. I just get free tickets to the concerts, or buy 2 and scalp 1 for the price i payed for both = free show either way. Its all good, got some sweet lyrics.

will whats the story? and how come lillywhite sessions never came out?
skiing in fun

if canadian bacon is ham, then what is bacon?

yeah lets hear it


'my choice is what i chose to do...and if im causin no harm it shouldnt bother you...' Ben harper

yeah they're pretty good
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~Hot Tamalia :o)

i thought theyre making a new cd w/ lillywhite songs on it in july. Lillywhite is much better than gay everyday cd
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I prefer to be free

good god its quite long...rather than mess it up in a few spots i'll go find the real story and post it up. its all about the band not sounding how they all want, producers not working too well, the cd getting 'released' was also an accident. while one of the members was on a ski trip, the demo 'lillywhite' cd they had was in the cd player and some dude burned it. Impersonation, miscommunication, deceit. Its all there. don't get your panties in a bundle, but this may take awhile.

Pt 1.

The Long,
Botched SummerThe birth, death and rebirth of a DMB
album The odd saga of the Dave Matthews Band's
lost album is the most compelling mini-drama of the
Napster age. Recorded during the summer of 2000 in DMB's
hometown of Charlottesville, Virginia with their longtime
producer Steve Lillywhite, the sessions were aborted, and
Matthews flew out to Los Angeles to finish the album with
producer Glen Ballard. Instead of merely continuing the
process Lillywhite had begun, Matthews and Ballard began
writing new songs together, songs that so inspired
Matthews that he decided to shelve the original tracks he
had brought with him. The new songs would become
DMB's blockbuster 2001 release Everyday. (Only one song
-- '#36,' which would be lyrically reworked into
Everyday's title track -- was gleaned from the earlier
sessions.)As for the other orphaned songs that make up The
Summer So Far (the name written on the eight discs
burned for producer Steve Lillywhite, engineer Stephen
Harris, A&R man Bruce Flohr, and each DMB member
following the aborted sessions), they have not gone away
quietly. Leaked over the Internet as 'The Lillywhite
Sessions,' the tracks have captured the imagination of the
DMB faithful, who have been demanding their proper
release. Now comes word that the fans will get their
way.'At some point, the band has every intention to put
those songs out in some form or another,' says Bruce
Flohr, Senior VP of A&R and Artist Development at RCA
Records. 'Down the line, the band will finish the record
in the way it was intended to be finished. The songs
will come out, and people will still want
them.'Were that to happen, Lillywhite -- who has also worked
with the likes of U2 and the Rolling Stones -- says
there would be substantial work to do beyond just
mixing and mastering. 'Some songs were pretty much
finished,' he says. 'But others need a lot of work. They
were just put on there as more like a demo than a
formal recording. There would be some overdubbing
needing to be done. But songs like, 'Bartender' and
'Busted Stuff' and 'Diggin' a Ditch,' all sound good to
me as is.'DMB has been playing most of the
songs on their current tour, and, according to a band
spokesperson, versions of them are likely to pop up on the next
DMB live album, possibly due by year's
end.But, even supposing The Summer So Far were to get its
official release, the question remains: Why was it
scrapped in the first place?'It's a myth that the
big, bad record company came down and said, 'Where's
the hit?'' Flohr says of the decision to shelve The
Summer So Far. 'That's absolutely incorrect. There are
plenty of songs on that unreleased record that are going
to be big commercial singles. No one -- Steve
Lillywhite, Bruce Flohr, Dave Matthews -- no one knew that
Glen Ballard and the band were gonna go on such a
creative spurt that the songs that were originally
recorded were going to be put aside.'..........

Here's how drummer Carter Beauford explained the
Lillywhite/Ballard transition to Rolling Stone earlier this year:
'Bruce and I stepped outside one evening after doing some takes, and he said, 'Carter, how do you feel about this record?' I just had to come out and tell him I wasn't feeling it. The vibe wasn't there, you know? It was lacking everything the Dave Matthews Band was about. So I said, 'Look, I don't feel it, and I'm
almost certain the other guys don't feel it. We need to make a move.' And Bruce said, 'That's all I needed to hear.' From that point he began working to find someone else to produce the record and working toward putting our heads into a forward and positive space.'While Lillywhite says that the band's decision to record in Charlottesville was unwise ('You make a record
in your hometown and it becomes less like making a
record and more like going to work. There's forever someone saying, 'Oh, I've got the plumber coming in the afternoon, so I won't be coming to the studio.''), he maintains that the sessions weren't uncomfortably somber or
listless. 'Honestly, I've read a lot about how everyone in the band was very upset and sad,' he says. 'But I didn't feel anything like that. These sessions were nothing compared to a U2 album.' 'I think I could put my hand on my heart and say Dave is and was very proud of the recordings that we made,' Lillywhite continues. 'Obviously, Bruce is on record as coming up to Dave and saying that, as a fan, he didn't feel the record. To be honest, I think Dave was as upset by it as I was. If anyone tells you your songs aren't good enough, you're gonna get hurt.'Flohr has a different take on how things were going in Charlottesville.
'There was a heaviness to the sessions,' he says. 'And I think the process was laborious to a certain extent. What I was hearing as an outsider, someone who wasn't there every single day, was a darkness to the record
that I felt -- and I think everybody around the band felt -- could be improved if they had a change of environment.' 'The Summer So Far songs inspired pity,' Matthews told Rolling Stone in January of this year. 'Self pity, or pity for the sad bastard that wrote them. I
felt like I was in the process of failing, in the
process of letting everyone down. In the process of not supplying the band with songs, not giving the producer the music, not giving the record company tunes -- so inside that environment, I was continuing to do just that, come up with these sad bastard songs.'Moreover, Matthews admitted that the bottle had somewhat of
a gloomy grip on him during the sessions, as
reflected in the drunken motifs strung though 'Bartender,' 'JTR' and 'Grace is Gone.' 'It was not a good time for
me,' he said. 'I usually find that when I'm in one of those slumps I do the better part of my
drinking.'Despite Everyday's mammoth sales -- the album moved over 700,000 its first week in stores and over 2 million to date -- it received a lukewarm critical reception and even alienated some hardcore fans who found it inorganic, unrevealing and generally non daveish.'I'm just worried that I didn't hear the band,' Lillywhite says of Everyday. 'I don't know, it's all very
alien sounds. I'm a fan of the Dave Matthews Band and always was from the word go. Part of the uniqueness of the band is what the four other members bring to it. That wasn't accented enough.'....

Beauford seemed to agree with Lillywhite. Asked
if Ballard's heavy-handed authoring approach was
threatening -- the producer wrote essentially non-negotiable parts for the band -- he said, 'To be straight up, to a degree, yes, because it almost divided the five members. Everyday, in a way, is Dave and Glen's record, really.'Before Summer was leaked, DMB fans who were unsatisfied
with the streamlined Everyday griped en masse in chat rooms. Gaggles of interviews, in which Matthews was forced to address the lost album, served to fuel curiosity and demand, the logical limit of which is the 'Release Lillywhite Recordings Campaign.' The brainchild
of Pankaj Arora, the RLRC (www.paware.com/lillywhite), was founded 'by a fan for the fans with the goal of ensuring the band realizes the enormous demand and desire for the studio versions of the songs produced with Lillywhite, and with the hopes that they will at the very least simply consider possibly releasing the works after realizing the immense demand and
desire for it.'Arora's crusade was somewhat mooted when, roughly one month after Everyday's release, The Summer So Far illicitly strayed onto the Internet. Drooling traders queued up to download the twelve-song set -- at least 70,000 in week one -- while the
band members themselves publicly expressed regret and anger regarding the unauthorized distribution of a project they'd deemed unworthy. Many fans quickly embraced the markedly darker effort as a rare microscope on Matthews' psyche. That assessment is understandably bittersweet for Lillywhite.'I'm a big boy,' he says, 'but it affects your self-confidence. I've got to say, if nothing else, I do feel vindicated that my faith in these recordings is shared by so many
other people.'GREG HELLER(July 9, 2001)
taken from rollingstone.com

and here is the leak story.......

How 'Summer' Sprung a LeakThe long, strange
trip from the studio to desktops It takes but
one rogue engineer's intern or one bassist's scorned
ex-girlfriend to make a band's private musical moments public.
Usher, Weezer, Mary J. Blige and even the notoriously
protective Radiohead have all had unsanctioned music leaked
via the Internet. In the instance of the Dave
Matthews Band's lost album of last year, the leakage came
courtesy of an unlikely and elaborate series of
clandestine e-mailings and betrayals.Given that Dave
Matthews is . . . well, Dave Matthews, anything he does in
the studio is tantamount to spy plane blueprints or
snapshots from Area 51. Following producer Steve
Lillywhite's dismissal last fall, eight discs of the work in
progress ('Some songs were pretty much finished and others
need a lot of work,' says Lillywhite), were burned,
each labeled 'The Summer So Far.' The master tapes
were immediately locked in the DMB's Charlottesville,
Virginia studio vault where they've remained ever
since.Distribution of the eight discs went as follows: one to
Lillywhite, one to the engineer Stephen Harris, one to RCA
A&R man Bruce Flohr, and one for each DMB member --
Matthews, bassist Stefan Lessard, violinist Boyd Tinsley,
drummer Carter Beauford and saxophonist LeRoi Moore.
Lillywhite claims that 'there was no other way anyone else
could have had that music,' and that the original discs
were 'of really good quality, much better than what
people are downloading.' While wide-held belief had
been that the initial leak came from within RCA
Records, Bruce Flohr is adamant that his copy has always
been accounted for, that he has neither lent it out or
casually left it around the office.Lillywhite says
that he and Harris can account also for their copies.
'Once I got fired, I put my disc away. You want to move
on,' Lillywhite said. And while Flohr 'thinks
everybody in the band has accounted for their copy,'
Matthews and DMB declined to speak with Rolling Stone on
the topic.Initially, The Summer So Far was safe
from pirates. During the fall of 2000 and into the
first few months of 2001, it was the holy grail on DMB
message boards -- speculated about, but unheard. Craig
Knapp changed all that.Knapp is a music teacher
from Long Island, New York. In the winter of '99, his
chorus performed a version of Matthews' 'One Sweet
World' that he gave to the frontman upon meeting him
outside a show in February. Knapp also fronts the Dave
Matthews tribute band Ants Marching, a staple on the East
Coast. The band's homepage (www.antsmarching1.com)
prominently features a photo of the group with Matthews...

In early March of this year -- several weeks
after the official release of DMB's 2001 studio effort
Everyday -- Knapp received an e-mail from Tom Griffin, a
student at New York's St. Bonaventure University. Griffin
claimed to have a disc of 'the unreleased version of
Everyday,' with 'four new songs on it,' and offered to send
Knapp a copy.Knapp figured he would receive
alternate takes of Everyday tunes -- perhaps the odd B-side
or acoustic reading. Several days later, on March
15th, the package arrived. 'There was a note included
with the disc,' Knapp says. 'It said 'This CD is the
Virginia album that was to be released last summer. The
story of how this got out is sketchy and unreliable. I
will spare you the story.'' After hearing the disc
and knowing he was in possession of the coveted
Lillywhite sessions, Knapp was torn about how to play his
hand. He says that he wanted the DMB world to
experience the joy that the songs brought him, but did not
want to disrespect Lillywhite or Matthews himself.
Knapp made it known on the Dave Matthews Band Mailing
List Web site (www.dmbml.com), where he contributed
frequently, that he had the material. Within days, his inbox
was clogged with hundreds of notes, many insisting he
upload the material. He was incessantly heckled on DMB
message boards and in chat rooms, called a hoarder. His
phone rang off the hook.'I was beaten down,' Knapp
said. 'People were bashing my inner strength and
morality . . . There's a very selfish attitude out
there.'Fed up, Knapp told the DMBML that he intended on
burning the disc -- as in, with a lighter fluid and a
match. Before doing so, however, he opted to contact
Lillywhite, a regular on the DMBML with an obvious enough
e-mail address. Knapp sought the producer's guidance and
alerted the DMBML that, should Lillywhite give the green
light, the music would indeed go public. 'I am
blessed to receive this gift,' Knapp wrote to Lillywhite.
'My question for you is one of moral standards. I
would really like to share these songs with the DMB
trading community. However, I feel that if the Dave
Matthews Band and Steve Lillywhite didn't release these
songs, then what gives me that right? I guess my
question is simply this: Am I disrespecting the Dave
Matthews Band and Steve Lillywhite by making these songs
available?' Once Lillywhite was satisfied (via a few more
e-mails), that Knapp truly did have what he purported to
have, the producer replied, 'I would hold onto the
music for now until I have had a chance to speak to
Dave and see what he feels is the best plan.' He
added, 'Do you like it?' Knapp posted his
interactions with Lillywhite on the DMBML, hoping to lessen
the ire of frothing chatters. (Lillywhite eventually
asked him to stop doing this and he complied). Shortly
thereafter, Knapp received another e-mail from Lillywhite, or
so he believed. It read: 'I was able to contact
some people and we came to the conclusion that because
of DMB's loyal fan base following, honesty and
patronage towards the band over the years, releasing these
tracks should be, let's say, sort of a treat to the
trading community . . . keep in touch and
enjoy.'According to Knapp, it would be months before he realized
that the thumbs-up note was a hoax. A clever DMBML
poster who had kept close tabs on Knapp's interactions
with Lillywhite sent the letter posing as the
producer. Lillywhite's e-mail address had been altered ever
so slightly (the letter 'I' replaced with the number
'1'). In other words, Steve Lillywhite never gave
Knapp, or anyone else, permission to digitally
distribute The Summer So Far.......

Believing he had the producer and Matthews' (or
at least someone close him) blessings, Knapp
uploaded the material. His computer itself is too slow to
accommodate the sudden deluge of requests, so he forwarded
the tracks to a few better-equipped pals. On March
24th, the album ended up in the hands of Jason Tang, a
freshman at Indiana's Purdue University. While Tang's pal
Paul Romer, an audio technology major, digitally
remastered the disc (!), Tang himself set up a site to allow
for the album's downloading. The day it went up --
Monday, March 26th -- it received 5,000 hits. By that
Saturday, 40,000 folks had logged on. Their lines
hopelessly jammed, Purdue shut the site down. Tang moved it
elsewhere and 15,000 more Dave-heads got their Summer
before that site was also sealed off.Not that Tang's
closures mattered. By then, the album was all over
Napster, Gnutella, etc., and a feeding frenzy of
downloading and burning began. The compare-and-contrast game
between Summer and Everyday kicked into high gear on
message boards. By modest estimates, 1,000,000 people
have now heard at least part of The Summer So
Far.But how did Tom Griffin get his copy, the one he
copied and sent to Knapp? Griffin lets this much be
known: His friend's family owns a house in Colorado.
Sometime last winter, someone in the Dave Matthews Band
vacationed at that house. According to Griffin, the DMB
member allowed his friend to hear the Summer disc, and,
at some point -- presumably when the DMB member hit
the slopes -- the disc was 'borrowed' and burned.
Griffin's friend then returned to St. Bonaventure excited,
if somewhat unaware of the white rhino he'd bagged.
Minutes later, Griffin made his own copy.As for why
he chose to forward the music to Knapp, Griffin --
who maintains that he had no intentions of
mass-distributing the material -- says that he had seen Ants
Marching a few times and knew the band was trying to work
Summer songs into their sets (a handful of them had been
DMB live staples well before the ill-fated sessions
ever began and live versions of them were readily
available via the band's devoted network of
tapers/traders). His intention, as a true Dave-head, was simply to
provide Knapp and his players with a finer point of
reference for 'their' new material.'I didn't want it to
be exploited,' Griffin says. 'I didn't want everyone
to have it, but I knew eventually over time, if not
through Knapp, then someone else, that it was going to
get out and I wasn't going to be upset over
it.'One final note: When Knapp initially offered The
Summer So Far, he requested that all those who download
it give to the Bama Works Foundation, a massive
charity network established by the Dave Matthews Band
offering national and international aid to a wide array of
causes -- diabetes, homelessness, rape crisis and
others. Tang made the same appeal on his Web site. As
of this story's completion, Bama Works has received
eighty Lillywhite-related donations, ranging from $10 to
$50, totaling $1,600. GREG HELLER(July 9,
2001)

also rollingtstone.com

good god that is long


'my choice is what i chose to do...and if im causin no harm it shouldnt bother you...' Ben harper

Yeah that was long but thanks for the update


Women plan for the future by naming their unborn children while men plan for the future by buying two cases of beer

easily my favorite band of all time. i own all of their albums and have seen them live (only once, but i would eagerly see them again) and they are awwwesome live.

they're simply one of the most dynamic and influential bands out there. scores more talent and artistry than so many others. they're ability to thrive in a world of gangster rap and punk rock speaks for their capabilities itself.

nice job bumping a five year old thread! but since its already bumped i might as well say that i think dave mathews is decent, but not amazing in my opinion