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WOMEN Slopestyle has ZERO chance to make it into the Olympics

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iSki13
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The fact is these women are not Olympic grade athletes and are not showing Olympic grade talent in the slope style.

I was going to drop this rant but then these women showed up on my TV at 12midnight as I was scanning the channels, and what do I see 360's and garbage 540's.

There are female aerialists that can do triples. They work out in the off season and water ramp. Clearly these athletes do not, and if they do, its half ass or not hard enough or else they  would be bringing more to the table and wouldn't be a decade behind the men.

What have these competitors been doing all summer. Clearly they have been on the beach and not training like FIS or Olympic athletes do.

Because if you were training you'd at least bring rodeos, corks and some other gear to the table off 2 or 3 hits, not to mention you would be able to do switch corks or switch inverts. Dont even mention doubles.

There is zero possibility they will let the women slope style into the Olympics, ABSOLUTELY ZERO

I just saw a bunch of 360's and 180's in these girls nationally televised broadcast runs on VS tv.  That is unacceptable for national exposure.

 Its like putting a highschool junior varsity basketball game on ESPN in the middle of a CELTICS game.

I see adolescent immature young women singing crack hip hop garbage to the camera when they finish their run, not stone faced, focused international competitors competing for the pride of their country.

Olympic competitors are athletic machines not some G swagger ass immature girls. USA better be breeding some sleeper competitors and keeping it low, because this is not going to cut it.


Feb 4 2011 12:46AM
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annex_
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think about the competition in women's skiing though too. There's no one that's way ahead of the pack pushing all the others to progress. Most of the women we see competing in big comps, compete against each other in every comp. 3/4 of girls who compete, qualify for finals, we need MORE girls at that level to help progress.
I mean every comp, guys pulls out new tricks which in turn pushes the other guys to work harder to progress.
women's skiing is sad. like brooke.aussie said getting sponsored as woman i easy, i mean if you can throw a 3 you're sponsored, but finding people willing to sponsor girls is hard, and the substantial difference in funds provided to guys compared to girls?
Feb 4 2011 7:35PM
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PON3
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truth
Feb 4 2011 7:54PM
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garrett.
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there not ready when I could go out and beat the girls in a slope style event pretty much every time.
Feb 4 2011 8:02PM
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FreeBallin
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This is what got me, I cant even argue with you on that. I was going to try,but you made a very good point and changed my mind.

In my head now, this isnt even a Male/Female argument anymore.

More like , female aerialist skiers vs female slopestyle skiers. I personally admire triples(come on, I know I would never have the balls to try that shit) over 180's/540's/skipping features.

That like, watching a pro skating contest with kick flips and shove its being on the podium.

If you remove the emotional Male/Female argument out if it, the answer is pretty obvious.


Feb 4 2011 8:08PM
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loganimlach
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but you couldn't.
Feb 4 2011 8:30PM
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skituner
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All I want to see is some CLEAN comp runs with STYLE. I really don't care if chicks aren't throwing super tech tricks, they can at least make what they are doing look good instead of failling all around when they spin over a 5.
Feb 4 2011 8:33PM
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derpina
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From today:
Jen, Ash, Devin, Keri
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Ash B is one of my best friends in the entire world and I have never met anyone more motivated and driven in my entire life, she's my inspiration. She goes to the gym EVERY. FUCKING. DAY, whether she feels great or has a 102 degree fever. Even on the days of comps she'll go.

I'm also good friends with Grete, Keri, Anna, etc and these girls are all incredible athletes. You know what the BIGGEST difference is between males and females? These girls are out there smiling and having a blast, and you see Simon crying like a fucking baby.

It's science, nature, and evolution that males and females are SO different in so many ways. We are psychologically different: Females have a chemical in their brain (known as the motherly instinct) that tells them not to do things that are dangerous and physically and mentally holds them back. Females are also a lot less stronger than males. Females are made to have babies and raise children, males are made to be athletic: hunt, protect, provide. It's the law of mother nature.

Before any more males shoot down these girls, ask yourself if you'd REALLY want your girlfriend to be kicking your ass on the hill? I'm (unfortunately) better than my boyfriend. It's extremely awkward for both of us and he absolutely hates it. You males are ugly, smelly, and dirty... you have to have SOMETHING going for you.

For these females to be doing what they're doing under the circumstances presented to them by nature, they are fantastic athletes. They're all just as dedicated and motivated as the males.

And for the record... For some odd reason I don't think any of them throw down as hard during comps as they do on a day-to-day basis... I'm not sure why this is.
Feb 4 2011 8:40PM
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Download-My-Apps
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You can't compare slopestyle to aireals. Sloepstyle has real skiers in it, half the airealist are washed up gymnasts and divers who have never touched snow other than to the vert. Slope is like 10 years old, aireals is from the 80's. And if you looked at female airealists in their first olympics im sure they would have been low caliber. You have allow someone an opportunity to participate before their will be overall change in performance.
Feb 4 2011 8:54PM
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FreeBallin
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Female slopestyle has been in the US Open since 2004. It has not progressed significantly since that(Im talking clean reliable runs, not big air tricks landed every so often). What other opportunity is need? US Open isnt big enough stage for the ladies or something? I am confused.
Feb 4 2011 9:04PM
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FreeBallin
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first, Dylan Ferguson.

2nd, you realize that other skiing communities see freestlye ass "punk ass kids who have never touched snow outside the park". Think TGR. See how frustrating it can be when someone generalizes an entire sport?
Feb 4 2011 9:07PM
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derpina
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Very very very very very very very very VERY good point...
Feb 4 2011 9:10PM
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chickenwang
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Feb 4 2011 9:18PM
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treebeard
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since when is every male skier simon dumont?
Feb 4 2011 9:21PM
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derpina
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So funny how offended males get over little things like this yet this thread is about how bad females suck at skiing... Who's the bad sport now eh?
Feb 4 2011 9:24PM
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derpina
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As in I don't think a lot of people see their real potential unless they watch female edits or see them shred in person...
Feb 4 2011 9:24PM
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FreeBallin
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outside of simon...

you dont see the smiles & high fives & friendships that male pros have? Its everywhere. Edits. Crews. high fives are good runs. Pro skiers have a blast..and its represented well in our sports media.
Feb 4 2011 9:28PM
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chickenwang
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Feb 4 2011 9:28PM
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Davy.Crockett
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i think the gap doesn't need to be as big as it is now. it seems like in sports similar to skiing, like gymnastics, men and women are on the same level. women are also generally more compact and flexible, which seems like it would make throwing tricks just as easy as them as it would for men. just my thoughts.
Feb 4 2011 9:31PM
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skier_boy26
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incentive-based progression, or the concept of it, has been the hallmark of pro-chick skiing for some time now. The fact of the matter is, even with massive payouts and TV coverage at big events and shit, women are just not skiing to a respectable level. That includes slopestyle and pipe.

When I watch a girl throw a shitty 540 or a mediocre switch 720, I'm appalled. Not at the girl persey, but at this convoluted nonsense that "if they had more incentive, they could do better." Being in the Olympics should be the fruit of the progression, not the catalyst that improves it. Snowboard pipe has been in the Olympics since 1998. While it had a period of being, I think, unarguably superior to pipe skiing, that changed. But skiing has not been an Olympic event. It evolved alongside with snowboarding but without the biggest stage to do so. Chick board pipe is still nauseating in my opinion, and they have had over a decade to "catch up."






Feb 4 2011 9:41PM
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ace_
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Get out of here, smiling and having fun? maybe if it was a normal day of skiing but its competition and it is called competition for a reason. Simon is pissed because he cares. Your argument about females being a lot less stronger is true however extremely invalid in the nature of sport and competition. Also sexist which is pretty funny. You do in fact see aerial athletes going way bigger and I don't even care if it doesn't have style, it requires pumpkins for balls and not bb's. I do understand your anger as you are defending your friends, but there comes a point where rationalization and truth comes into play.

These women are more badass


And HELL SO ARE THESE


and there are women out there that are indeed pushing it and progressing, but that is mostly in the backcountry from what i have seen
Feb 4 2011 9:42PM
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derpina
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No. What's sexist is that you men think a female should also be able to do a misty fuck switch double cork mcjiver 1800.


They do take competition seriously. I think it comes to a point like a girl said earlier that when you are competing against the same girls for every single competition it just naturally becomes more about having fun and who does the best that day... It's hard to progress when no one new is coming in to the field and raising the bar... hopefully now that ski freestyle is getting more popular girls like Jess will come in and start pushing the bar.

I also hope you guys realize we're starting to do flat spins, corks, misty's etc... We're behind but so is female competition in general. This sport is new (in the realm of sports in general) and girls are always later to get into sports than men.


May I also remind you all that Shaun's best trick in Slopestyle was a 900. A lot of the girls in X slope also did 9's...
Feb 4 2011 9:53PM
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ace_
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could see this, yes
Feb 4 2011 9:57PM
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californiagrown
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im gonna have to agree whole heartedly on this.
it reminds me of that seinfeld episode where jerry's gf is always naked and they compare the naked female body to a work of art, while the male female body to a disgusting dirty, hairy, chimp.

touche girlfriends...touche
Feb 4 2011 9:59PM
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1337
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has lindsayjibber posted in here yet? Too lazy to read the whole thread
Feb 4 2011 10:05PM
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treebeard
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hey look, more pointless information.

and no one's saying girls should be doing switch misty mcwhateverthefuckyousaid 1800's, i'm saying there's no excuse for major comps to include 3's and 5's in a winning or podium-ing run. on a regular basis.
Feb 4 2011 10:07PM
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derpina
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I can agree with that.
Feb 4 2011 10:09PM
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californiagrown
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this. womens skiing has tremendous potential, but it isnt reaching it. We all know that they have the ability to step it up, it just hasnt happened.
Feb 4 2011 10:12PM
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californiagrown
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oh and...she looks like she does

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Feb 4 2011 10:16PM
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derpina
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Well, let me put it this way...


(NOT claiming, so stfu) I know nearly every girl competing in ski slope/pipe on a personal level. During X and Dew and any other competition we all chill together, and we chill outside of competition too. We all know each other. We know how we ride, we know the tricks we can throw, we know what we're capable of. It's always the same group of girls for most of the competitions. It's hard to say "I'm going to risk my season and throw a double cork 1080!" When we know none of the other girls can even come close to that and we can throw a clean 9 instead and win. Yeah that's taking the "safe" way and "not progressing" the sport... but when you're in the heat of competition you want to win by throwing what you can and not ruining your season by falling.

I'm immersed in the pro industry and I can't even name half the males or keep track of them... Every year there's 50 new faces. You don't know where they're from, how long they've been skiing, what they can do... You have to throw your ass on the line to qualify much less make podium.

If I hear a new female name in a competition I'm all "Say what? Who da fuck is that?" And I want to know everything about her.

You males have so much more on the line than we do... I know I will have to push myself harder but I really hope female freeski is on the rise. We need new faces and new challenges.
Feb 4 2011 10:22PM
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blindside
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I'm sorry, but I lol'd at this attempt at an evolutionary explanation for woman's poor performance in slopestyle. For what I believe to be the true explanation, we need to turn to sociology.

Read this article, I think it pertains very much to the topic at hand..

Feb 4 2011 10:29PM
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californiagrown
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AH HAAAAAAA!!!! ive figured it out. Its a conspiracy!!!!
Feb 4 2011 10:30PM
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FreeBallin
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This REAAAALLYY confuses me, maybe because I am stuck out east. Really only see videos of the pro girls. Totally open for someone to correct me.

But from what I usually see, that top female pros are constantly surrounded by the male pros(events,training,team events etc). Actually pretty sure most of them are all pretty friendly with each other. This brings up...

Why does it have to be a female pushing another female?

Also, why not ask them( your friends) for help/tips/tricks/profession guidance from the top skiers in the world?


Feb 4 2011 10:31PM
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derpina
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Alright. So that was a lot of philosophy and numbers and asking "why?" but honestly there was nothing of anything in there.

If you want your girl as buff and good as you you should prob starting dating dudes or pumpin her with roids.

We're smaller, we're less muscular, we weren't built for this shit. Ashley is like 5'2" and 90lbs. It's ridonkulous to watch her hit 75 foot jumps.
Feb 4 2011 10:35PM
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californiagrown
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thats because its soc. it is fucking useless, and isnt a science.

It comes down to this. why should the girls risk more to gain nothing. They risk injury and an end to their career if they try and progress quickly, but no matter what they will still earn the same amount of money.


the risk is not worth the reward right now...is that correct?
Feb 4 2011 10:39PM
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derpina
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Because the females are our competition and for whatever other reason people want to argue males are just better than us. We watch what they do and think "damn, that's steezy" but that doesn't influence us to want to try it. Obviously this isn't the case all the time...

And in all honesty, for the most part the chicks ride with the chicks and the dudes ride with the dudes. I'm in the pipe every single day with Simon and Peter but I would never "ride with them". It's just silly.
Feb 4 2011 10:42PM
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derpina
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AMEN BRUDDAH!

And finally eyes were opened...
Feb 4 2011 10:43PM
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stanny
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in my opinion, girls definatly need to step it up. not saying they need to do dub 16's tommorow, but when you have the majority of people skipping features and then some of them getting on the podium? that is pathetic and should not happen on a course that was designed for the best skiers in the world.
back to the aerials argument, yes, female aerialists can do triples and stuff but its not the same sport. however, since they are related, i would like to think females are more capable than a 540 if other females are landing triples in a closely related sport...
i think what the sport needs is a competitor that just wants to dominate everyone. right now, u have a group of females that all compete in the same competitions all the time and they all know what each other are capable of. one or two girls need to step it up and just smear the competition in every event and strive to just dominate the field all the time. thats what will jumpstart the progression
Feb 4 2011 11:07PM
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derpina
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Okay just out of curiosity...


I always hear males joking about "Fuck, I wish I could have a sex change so I could throw a 9 and win..." So, you're saying if you could you'd love to get away with winning a comp by throwing a 9, right?

#justsayin.

On another note, where the sport is now, with the number of female participants, they don't need to progress at an insane alarming rate to win.

The males also do the minimum of what it takes to win. If all it took was a cork 12 for Bobby to win he wouldn't go throw a switch cork 1800, he would throw a cork 12. The same goes for females. Why throw stuff you don't need to and risk it?

Competition drives progression. They're always competing against each other.
Feb 4 2011 11:15PM
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blindside
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I should have been more specific. Read and understand this article. You succeeded in missing the point completely. In short, once a certain sport or discipline becomes highly valued within a culture, it begins to produce world class athletes.

The same concept can be applied to woman's slopestyle. Currently, the discipline isn't highly valued within woman's competitive skiing culture or within a given society's culture. As a result, no true world class woman slopestyle skiers have emerged yet. Look at down hill racing for example, the woman compete at level of intensity that is much closer to the men's level when compared to slopestyle. This can be attributed to the high value placed on downhill racing within skiing, and woman's skiing culture.

When the women's slopestyle reaches the same cultural significance, we will begin to see much larger an rapid growth in the discipline.

The issue is not genetic but sociological. This is what the article explains.
Feb 4 2011 11:19PM
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derpina
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As I said, competition drives progression.

We all know each other and we all know what we can throw.

It's like the game Add-On that some of you may have played growing up on trampolines...

A kid starts with a 180, next kid does a 180 to backflip, next kid does a 180 to backflip to 360.

Lets say the guys tramp has a line of 100 boys waiting their turn and the girls tramp only has 10. By the end of the game who is going to have more and better tricks? The males of course, because they have 90 more kids than the females.

Feb 4 2011 11:21PM
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derpina
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Hm, well, thank you for explaining.

I can definitely agree with that. But I also think it has to do with numbers of participants...
Feb 4 2011 11:22PM
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blindside
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number of participants will increase once it becomes valued within the culture.
Feb 4 2011 11:26PM
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thisguywhoiscool
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Bitches should be in the fukin kitchen!!!!!!!!!!
Feb 4 2011 11:31PM
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annex_
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how does it confuse you?

it doesn't have to be female pushing female. I ride completely with males and they push me so hard, there's no give with them, it's huck it or nothin. But in competition? it's a different story. I understand what AliGee was saying about staying safe, but if the girls know they can throw a 5 to win why not right?
but we should be TRYING to throw bigger and better, if we do... other girls are gonna try to catch up...thereby progressing women's skiing.

Although a lot of the women big mountain skiers i know throw down!
Feb 4 2011 11:33PM
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derpina
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Woahhh, don't underestimate us there babe! Hahaha a 5 isn't going to be winning ANYTHING. =p


We are progressing, just at a slower rate... That has to do with the amount of competition we have. Which is always the same girls. Like I said though... hopefully the more popular it gets and more girls will get involved and it'll start progressing quicker.
Feb 4 2011 11:37PM
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stanny
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i never said anything about getting a sex change and throwing a 9 to win... i dont see where you getting that from
but anyways, this is the olympics- the biggest sports contest ever. how is it gonna look for the sport if women are skipping features in the olympics? i mean, u have women throwing similiar tricks in moguls(technicality wise) as in womens freeskiing. again, they are not the same sport, but dont you think the side of the sport that is fully devoted to jumps and rails should be at a significantly higher level than one where jumps are only half of the fight? and thats where the person or two people that just have the attitude where they want to beat the piss out of everyone come in. women's skiing needs a person that just wants to beat everyone by as many points as possible all the time, they dont give a shit what other people can do, they just wanna throw down 10x harder than anyone else competing. it needs someone who wants to compete agaisnt themselves and keep one-upping themselves instead of saying "ahh fuck it, i can win if i skip this feature, who cares."
Feb 4 2011 11:39PM
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derpina
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I was at the Dew Tour, X Games, and FIS. I'm really confused as to what you're talking about when you keep mentioning skipping features... None of the girls were skipping features unless they fell on the feature before, in which case the males do too.
Feb 4 2011 11:44PM
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annex_
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not underestimating just trying to get a point across.
Feb 4 2011 11:44PM
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derpina
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I know I'm just playin. ;-)
Feb 4 2011 11:45PM
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derpina
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The day of qualifiers they shut the last two jumps down on us due to heavy snow... We were NOT ALLOWED TO HIT THEM.
Feb 4 2011 11:47PM
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