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Want a stiff ski. jumps and rails and going fast.

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LockyK
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i got a pair of a-bangs currently. they are noodley and i broke one of them and falling apart.

what i want is a stiffer ski. im at whistler so we can get some pretty big jumps, but i sketch out and dont feel very safe on my bangs. plus when i race down the groomers home i am holding on for dear life and feel so close to dying.

i'm 175cm (about 5'8" i think) and about 60kgs (no idea what that is pounds).

i like the flat camber idea of the k2 revivals, but that rocked makes it seems like it would be sketchy on landings on bigger jumps. the ar7 looks like it would be a good ski, sounds stiff, but the small waist doesnt seem so great for general riding. i really like the double time, but can't find it in a 180, 170 seems a little short seeing as i have ridden over 175 for so long.

any other ones i should look at. want to just buy them from here in whistler. they have alot of salomon, k2 and rossignol and i can get discount on most of them. but there is some volkl, surface, armada and line.

cheers.
Feb 3 2011 1:10AM
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Stz
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chronic cryptonites. your search is done. super durable, land massive jumps easy, slay rails, be steezy
Feb 3 2011 1:16AM
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LockyK
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yeah thats what i've been wanting for ages. bad news is they are like totally sold out in canada (or at least where i have been asking)
Feb 3 2011 1:17AM
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mr.skierman
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I have the ar7 and there's no problem about carving groomers or ripping withthem. And the site does make them sound like they're oh so stiff but their not. I think the main reason why their so good for regular riding is because of the sidewall/cap construction. Not because their planks. On the contrary they feel very lively and poppy. You can spin off of nothing just cause they will give you that pop, but they're plenty stable for big hits. Idk, they're pretty perfect for what I do, and skiing all around. Props man
Feb 3 2011 1:19AM
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Jonny.Ski
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Line stepup maybe?
Feb 3 2011 3:02AM
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Mitch-DownUnder
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you should give the walls ago man, my mates ride them and they are stiffish i think, and u can get them in 177 or 185 no probs, but they are expensive... which is lame.
Feb 3 2011 3:24AM
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powderhound100
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got some older 178 scratch bc's w/ s912 or something liek that. decently stiff, good for jump/going fast etc. pm me if interested.
Feb 3 2011 6:06AM
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LockyK
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probably not the step up. i dont like that skate deck construction. it hasnt worked out well on my afterbangs.

i can't seem to find any walls around. they look like such a good ski tho.

is there a new version of the scratch BC? they have the S series around which i can get discount on.
Feb 3 2011 12:43PM
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DUKES
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well the ar7s are 86 underfoot in 176 and the revivals are 90 its not a huge difference, or you could go to the 181s in which are 1mm more but they will be stable at speed and on jumps. next years stepups are a different construction (not sure if you want to wait) they have a sidewall underfoot and the skate construction in the tips and tails, there are also the laurent thevenet pros in a 176 and 90 underfoot, and has an all-mountain stiffness so slightly stiff for park
Feb 3 2011 1:06PM
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Mr.Fister
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jesus christ you people.
stiff ski that rails on groomers and jumps; Armada Pipe Cleaner and Alpha 1. alpha1 if you want MORE all mountain riding. its not a pow ski nor is it flat, but it has 5 dimensions and early rise in the tip and tail, so it floats better than the PC.
those two skis are great for jumping and if you keep them waxed the base has great durability on rails. go a bit longer because of the early rise on the alpha or halo(more flexy,s7 base needs less wax but is slower also).
Feb 3 2011 1:09PM
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LockyK
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can anyone give me there experiences with the revival on bigger jumps and just generally cruising the hill?
Feb 3 2011 1:18PM
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Loco-Deer-Slayer
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Walls are they way to go. I ride some. Symmetrical, stiff, and long enough to hold stable at speed. Mine have been holding up pretty well after one season of riding.
Feb 3 2011 1:27PM
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BrewskiJr
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Feb 3 2011 2:45PM
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EmperorKuzco
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a rockered park ski works well and is more suitable for smaller jumps. i believe
Feb 3 2011 2:51PM
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chubby3
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If you want a stiff ski forget armada or k2. Even the wall isn't that stiff anymore. Dynastar or fisher make the stiffest park skis these days and they ski good too. But in most cases the stiffer you go the heavier the ski will weigh.
Feb 3 2011 2:52PM
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T_orageskiier
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i dont have a single complaint with my walls, doing same type of skiing you just described
Feb 3 2011 3:38PM
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punkrock32
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I've had no problems with the rocker on bigger jumps, although they do feel softer in the tips and tails and might pose a problem if you land too backseat.  On cruising the hill they pretty much just tear shit up.  I've never had any trouble with them chattering or feeling unstable at high speeds, and they work well in just about any snow condition (except 8 plus inch dumps)
Feb 3 2011 4:48PM
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kthnxbai.
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s4's for sure.
Feb 3 2011 5:15PM
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zahava
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I love mine. I'm about the same size as you, and have them in a 174 mounted centre. Super stable on bigger jumps, really light so their great on rails, super stiff but still have good pop. Evan with the centre mount they stll rip groomers, trees, and crud. Oh and ar7s really army that stiff, at least when you compare them to s4s.
Feb 3 2011 5:46PM
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zahava
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If your looking for something with a wider waist s5s would be a good choice, similarbt
Feb 3 2011 5:48PM
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zahava
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Similar to s4s but a tiny bit softer with a wider waist (98mm).
Feb 3 2011 5:49PM
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californiagrown
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def pipe cleaners

Feb 3 2011 5:50PM
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[tk]
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faction kennedys. they are an awesome ski, only downside of them is the stiffness. which you prefer. so they would be perfect for you
Feb 3 2011 6:00PM
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LockyK
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is there anywhere in whistler to buy faction stuff?
Feb 3 2011 6:35PM
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Karma_Police
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Either this or Fischer addicts or addict pros.

Anyone who is mentioning line skis should not be allowed to give advice.
Feb 3 2011 6:54PM
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ganja_enthusiast
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defanatly dont go flat camber for hitting big jumps
it hurns pretty bad when you make a little mistake
id go for the line step-ups
Feb 3 2011 8:38PM
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Casey
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Addict Pro's
Feb 3 2011 9:52PM
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wheezy
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I would suggest you seriously have a look at the rossignol s4... They truly are a great ski and sounds perfect for what your looking for. They have been practically unchanged since the Rossi Scratch FS, the only change is they have only gotten lighter, I owned a pair myself and they are great in the park and rip groomers as they hold a very stiff profile, also bomb proof (mine have lasted 3 season of abuse) they are one of the best pipe skis out there and therefor are light have very low swing weight and hold an edge very very well. been on the x games and dew tour podium the last 3 years (kevin rowland uses them in the pipe).

Granted if you want a forgiving ski that is easier to butter then get something else. I have heard good things about the AR7, the S4 is really designed for an agressive advanced skiier and it wont allow you to 'butter out' a landing

Good luck

Feb 3 2011 10:24PM
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zahava
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^that pretty much sums it up. I love mine, and they sound like the perfect ski for you. They are also really durable and they will definitely last 2-3 seasons of abuse.
Feb 3 2011 10:28PM
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cbeebzthasteeze
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Rossignol S4's!!!
Feb 3 2011 10:44PM
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zahava
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End thread/
Feb 3 2011 11:56PM
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LockyK
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wow the S4's seem popular.

gonna go into town tomorrow and see if i can find a pair. I have seen them around.
Feb 4 2011 1:00AM
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LockyK
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sorry, dub post.

on the site it says the S4 has tip and tail rocker. if i could find last years model would that have no rocker?
Feb 4 2011 1:04AM
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Scrambles
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Salomon pro pipe, stiff, great carving ski (I'm an ex racer), stomps jumps. I didn't try many rails with them (demo's) but they were solid.
Feb 4 2011 1:08AM
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Kangbang
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Moment Reno Jib.
Super fun on rails, great stability in the air and one big jumps (talking about 65ft jumps), poppy, stiff, low swing weight. Just a great fun ski over all. If their is no ice, its an ok groomer ski. And they like to go fast. I've got 20 days on my Reno Jibs and thee durability is fucking great. I've beat them, I've smashed my tips against boxes and rails, I've landed hard on rails, I've skied over rocks (by accident) and they edges are all in tack, no delaming, bases are great. Overall, they are a super fun and durable ski. I'd suggest the 176's for you. I've got them in that size and I'm 6ft and 140 pounds and they are great.

To whoever said the AR7's, they aren't as stiff as Reno Jibs, my friend has them and they are diffidently more soft than my skis.
Feb 4 2011 1:30AM
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wheezy
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There seems to be a bit of confusion about rocker on the s4. Yes the website says that it has tip and tail rocker but I have a sneaking suspicion that this is inclusive to the tip and tail hight. If the s4 has any rocker it is minimal / barely noticable / not even worth mentioning. Never the less the ski is full camber It will hold an exceltent edge, how else do you think it gets up icy steep walls!!!!
Feb 4 2011 2:00AM
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Kangbang
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S4 Jib has rocker, S4 doesn't. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Feb 4 2011 2:07AM
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wheezy
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^

As of the current Rossignol product line there is only one model and that is the S4 Jib although I have seen some websites that have an s4 jib and S4 jib flat which is just an S4 jib that the retailer sells without a binding plate.

Although the website says that the ski has rocker I think that is the tip and tail height (which technically can be interperated rocker) the S4 deffinatly has positive camber and if it does have rocker then it is hardly noticable, which IMO is not rocker just a slightly higher tip profile. I personally interperate rocker as a deliberatly manufactured alteration of the ski to significantly move the contact point of the ski towads the center to improve soft snow or flexible performance (my opinion).

Skis such as the super 7 do deffinatly have visible rocker and 0 or negative camber. tho skis such as the s3 and s1 do not (besides the natural tip and tail).

Ultimatly rocker is a word thrown in by companies to increase the marketability of skis, some skis acually have it and some have so little its not worth noting.

Feb 4 2011 3:02AM
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Kangbang
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I see, thank you.
Feb 4 2011 3:12AM
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zahava
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Those are both the same ski. And when rossi says rocker on their site, their talking about tip and tail heights.
Feb 4 2011 8:43AM
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dubtwo
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I think the moment reno jib would be good for you. Pretty stiff, durable, great for park, and it loves to go fast.
Feb 4 2011 10:03AM
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Lemuel
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Get chronics (not cryptonites), s4's, or walls. All stiff skis that will slay everything.
Feb 4 2011 11:53AM
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lepp0012
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Definitely the Volkl Walls.

Very stable at high speed, turns like a race ski, yet is symmetrical and slays the park. Very durable too.
Feb 4 2011 1:10PM
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LockyK
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update.

I found a pair of 174 S4's. i have skiied on around 177 cm skis for the last few season. will I notice much of a difference if they are a bit shorter?

also, I talked to the surface rep and he showed me a few pairs of No Times. The sizes are 172 and 182. i think the 172 will be too short, but i also think the 182 will be too long? they have a tiny bit of rocker on them though.

also he said he might be able to order in a pair of Double Time's but he isn't too sure.

cheers.
Feb 5 2011 8:02PM
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cbeebzthasteeze
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Get the S4's, they will feel kind of short at first, but you will get used to them. I have the 174's as well and they are perfect.
Feb 5 2011 8:27PM
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Chompo.
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S4's, Volkl Walls, or Armada Pipe Cleaners.
Feb 5 2011 8:43PM
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CMYK
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Love em. I've hit the inferno jumps at Mt Snow with em no problem (55-60). Rocker isn't too noticeable, perfect stiffness, highly recommend them.
Feb 5 2011 8:54PM
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LockyK
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alright, I got it down to 3 skis.

174 Rossignol S4
179 K2 Revival
182 Surface No Time

will be mounted true centre.

vote on your favourites!
Feb 6 2011 2:25PM
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AndrewUtter
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Surface will hold up the best out of all of them GET THE SURFACE they are so G
Feb 6 2011 2:27PM
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CMYK
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Revivals no doubt. To the kid above me, ive heard not so great things about surface's parks skis' durability... AHEM*(bigspense)*AHEM
Feb 6 2011 3:56PM
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Kangbang
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Do not get the Surface's. My friend snapped his tail within 8 days of riding.
Feb 6 2011 4:06PM
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