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beer.
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i dislike homophobia and cant stand discrimination against gay people. im all for civil unions, and possibly even gay marriage, except for one thing.

gay marriage means that adoption is easier. i just dont feel that gay couples make as good parents. theres exceptions, of course. also having gay parents can be traumatizing to a child because lets face it, middle and high school would be much harder.

theres plenty of exceptions to what ive said, i know that there are lots of gay couples that would make fine parents. its a difficult subject. but the old argument that 'marriage is between a man and a woman' is just conservative bullshit.


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Jun 22 2004 5:57PM
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Ski-hobo
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are you sure its 50%?
Jun 23 2004 3:07PM
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P-JO
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yeahh.. thats kind of what I was saying in the first place.. so whys there no room for my argument? wait what, my first post explains everything.




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Jun 23 2004 3:09PM
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bigJ
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Yeah, it is 50%, but just because 50% doesn't hold true to marrige does that give the right to just say marriage doesn't mean anything any more. To a lot of people marrige still retains that sacred meaning and they are not living in a 'corrupt' marriage. Divorce rates do not prove anything other then the fact that a higher precentage of people have become too lazy to work out their diffrences. And if marriage is just crap why is the issue of gay marriage being argued, why would they want to be wed if it is meaningless and corrupt.










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Jun 23 2004 3:12PM
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punk_rider
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give 'em whatever they want! civil mariage is just a contract! and i don't call friends when i buy a car ...
the only mariage you engage in for more than life is religious. they will never get it ! haha!
Jun 23 2004 4:00PM
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hoodratz47
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you know whats funny jd. i never said i hate gays... i hate people who dont let people think for them selvs.. or if you try to change there mind you dont do it subtley enough that it looks good.... im just not for gay people useing the excuse that thery gay so they can make out in the streets and grab eachother.... i aske nicly for two gay men to stop kissin and grabbing eachother nuts in teh middle of portland.. and then they called me and freak and i and in tolerant of gays.. i was liek noo.. you can be gay all you want just leave the making out in the beddroom. then they got mad and i ran......


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Jun 23 2004 4:20PM
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J.D.
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^If that's how you'd react to a hetero couple doing the same thing, then I can't argue with that. Some people don't like to see that sort of thing in public, some people don't care. The problem arises when you say 'This group of people can act that way, but this group can't'.

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Jun 23 2004 5:05PM
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SkiUnit03
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and dude, for the adoptsion thing, im pretty sure that a child would be more happy having some parents rather than no parents and just living in a orphanage.



the term 'fuck you'actually came from 'pluck yew' it was from when the english was fightin the french and the french would cut off the englishes middle finger because they used it to pluck the yew which was a bow and arrow....so they would show their middle fingers to the french
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Jun 23 2004 5:48PM
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asac
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EXCELLENT POINT^. I can't believe i missed that. Its a very strong point in this arguement. I believe that in this day and age, if you hate gays, its personal problems, not because you actually hate them.





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Jun 23 2004 5:51PM
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sacha
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What about the catholic priests who were arrested for child molestation? I think a boy would rather have two dads than get molested by a 60 year old catholic fuck. I know I would. People are so stereotypical here just because someone is gay dosent mean hes a child molester. Im all for gay marriage and its not only because i am not religious but because i believe that everyone should have equal rights. BigJ is saying that gays shouldnt marry because god said being gay was a sin. Ill have you notice bigJ that god also said to love everyone equally and not to judge people before you know them. You may now shut the fuck up. Oh and as for me going to hell....ill see you there.


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Jun 23 2004 6:36PM
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hoodratz47
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yes jd i dont like to se people grope each other. in public... i tell you im only skeptical of gay casueu some are rding it like a fad. and want more seperation form normal people so they feel better and have 'freedom'


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Jun 23 2004 7:08PM
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misterbinz
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I personally have never seen any gay couple do more than hold hands methinks that hoodratz is exaggerating. Gays making out in public is not a fad or anything, maybe you had one bad experience, but get over it.

I hope that another gay couple makes out in front of you anyways just to gross you out, maybe if it happens enough you'll come to think of it as normal. Ass.

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Jun 23 2004 8:17PM
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asac
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Now that you mention it, i haven't ever seen a gay couple 'make out' anywhere. Only hold hands.





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Jun 23 2004 8:22PM
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trevorwoulddoit
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^Your obviously not where I'm from. My opinion on this topic is that gay people can do whatever they want, I don't care. I don't even care if they want to get married. I DO care if they try and get married in an institution such as the church that is expressidly against them. That's not cool. And for all you people against gays, THINK ABOUT THIS: If your best friend told you he was gay tomorrow would you still be against gays? I wouldn't be.



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Jun 23 2004 8:34PM
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bigJ
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Jib_everything, I never said that I hate Gays, I am not some bible thumping evangalist, I am just a guy who believes in Christianity. I would appreciate it if you would be as tolerant to my beliefes as you are to gays, or straight people if you are homosexual, I don't care. But if you do choose to bash my religion I will feel free to tear apart every thing that you believe in. I am sorry if I have/had come on to strong but I do believe that you originally misinterpritated my statement. I said that I do not believe in Gay marriage due to my beliefs, I didn't say a word about hating gays or seeing them as not equal, I did say that I would not mind to see some seprate but equal institution that is comperable to marriage for homosexuals.

It is apparent that you have some pent up anger for Christianity and I provided a target for you. But you motherfucker, don't put bullshit words in my mouth, compare me to some deviant Catholic preist, or say that I hate anyone. Whatever you do resent about Christianity don't see me as the embodiment of what ever did lead you to so much angst.










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Jun 23 2004 8:40PM
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J.D.
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See? Was this so hard to find?

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Jun 26 2004 2:27AM
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agingeri
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first off:
'jesus created adam and eve , not adam and steve, gay marrigies are wrong.'

JESUS didn't create anyone. Perhaps you need to reread your bible.

Also, a relevant article I just wrote for my website
WHY?!?! Why why why why why why???? I don't understand! There's no argument for it!!! Other than the religious argument, or that it's 'just plain unnatural,' there's no rational reason to do this!!! And there's plenty of reasons NOT to!

1. The Republicans are supposed to be anti-government! They want fewer federal departments, fewer public programs, and FEWER REGULATIONS. Telling people just who they can and cannot marry seems like a pretty big REGULATION to me!
2. This would be the first amendment to the U.S. Constitution EVER DESIGNED TO TAKE RIGHTS AWAY, instead of giving them to people. This sets a dangerous precedent, people! ANYONE—left, right, or center—should be able to see that!
3. It's been spearheaded by a fanatical (and, to use a term she favored for certain choice judges, 'activist') congresswoman from my own state, named Marilyn Musgrave. She has DEVOTED her political career to getting this issue taken care of to her satisfaction. Why she's so obsessed with the issue of gay marriage... I'll leave that for you to infer (not that there's anything wrong with that).
4. We have this little thing in this country called THE FIRST AMENDMENT TO THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA which says that government and religion to be kept separate.
5. WHY?!?!?!

I think the only solution (and I think this is perfectly viable) is to abolish marriage—ALL marriage—in the eyes of the government. Let's make it so whether you're gay or straight, the only thing you can get is a nationally recognized civil union. Then you can go to whatever religious organization you are affiliated with in order to get married, depending on whether they let you (and I think the Unitarian Universalists should take a bold stand: Absolutely NO heterosexual marriages—wouldn't that be great?). See, the word 'marriage' is just confusing things, since a religious marriage is a completely different thing from a legal marriage. For example: I am (no shit) an ordained minister. I can, in the eyes of god and the Christian Church, marry people. However, that doesn't mean they can file jointly on their income tax form or take advantage of spousal benefits on their health insurance. For that, they would have to go down to the courthouse and get a marriage certificate (or, under my plan, certificate of civil union).

Let's leave marriage to the churches, and we can make sure that gays and straights are treated equally in this country. And that's what everyone wants, right? Don't you want equality for all, Marilyn Musgrave?

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Jun 26 2004 4:13AM
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agingeri
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sorry about that, my link appears not to have worked. I'll try again: Common Sense

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Jun 26 2004 4:15AM
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m1garand
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Give me one good reason to click on your shitty link and to have my IQ sucked straight out my eyes...

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Jun 29 2004 10:53PM
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J.D.
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He's exponentially more intelligent than you are? Oh right, a good reason. Nope, there isn't any. Educating yourself certainly wouldn't qualify.

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I’ll be around
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Jun 29 2004 10:55PM
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m1garand
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No reason? OK. Then stop blubbering on like a big vagina before you hurt yourself.

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Jun 29 2004 11:00PM
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J.D.
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Hurt myself? That made no sense.

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Jun 29 2004 11:00PM
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doublecup
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this thread is pretty fucked
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theabortionator
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doublecupthis thread is pretty fucked


this thread really needed to be bumped eh?
Apr 10 2017 11:28AM
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tomatonater
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As long as they're not bothering me I'm cool
Apr 10 2017 8:36PM
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